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Gwadien

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I just flicked through a machine mart magazine for the first time...

I bet @Tom and @Raven have copies of it with sticky pages.
 

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I don't go to Machine Mart. Screwfix on the other hand, there's one a couple of miles from me and it's so much better than B&Q. In fact I need to go tomorrow I think to buy a load of speedfit stuff.
 

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So now we're actually in the house, we thought we'd name the bar, and found somewhere to make up custom bar signs.

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So, just woke up from a 28 hour work day.

Still feel like poop, but it turnes out I'm a giant pussy. That's nothing next to the woman sat behind me who'd been up for well over 40 hours straight before we sent (almost forced) her back to the hotel.

Still. Upgrade in. :)
 

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Congratulations on being a part of LiveJournal for 18 years.

I've never deleted a service faster. Not even I want to relive teenage angst. Ew.
 

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Maybe the lesson should be don't fucking criss-cross the whole fuckimg night sky with streamers just so you can sell shit internet connections?

Just wait until a village in bongo bongo land has a better connection than your damp hovel ;)
 

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Just wait until a village in bongo bongo land has a better connection than your damp hovel ;)
Can we not roll out proper internet to them or do the redidents of bingo bongo land only deserve shit laggy slow sattelite internet?

Maybe we shouldn't fuck astronomy, scribble on the night sky and instead give bingy mcbongo decent infrastructure?
 

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Can we not roll out proper internet to them or do the redidents of bingo bongo land only deserve shit laggy slow sattelite internet?

Maybe we shouldn't fuck astronomy, scribble on the night sky and instead give bingy mcbongo decent infrastructure?

I think the entire point is that it won't be shit and those places are so remote they'll never have access to the internet.

And I watched some United Nations shit in Geopgraphy the other day that not having internet access is a sign of poverty and I'm now converted to that being true.

Because to me, the poorest billion on the planet having that access and therefore access to information to things like 'how can I stop my crops from dying or how can I access water' is pretty cool.

Having stuff in the sky is a pretty small price to pay, but then I haven't intentionally moved to an area for that reason...
 

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It's a ballache enough to get proper coverage in the UK and we have well paying customers lining up for it. I can't quite see rural Africa getting it any time soon.
 

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It's a ballache enough to get proper coverage in the UK and we have well paying customers lining up for it. I can't quite see rural Africa getting it any time soon.

I don't think that's true.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find people in the UK without access to the internet - ie able to use it at work/school/library etc.

And I'm talking about browsing the web, not downloading 4k films in 23 seconds.

That's also the intent for the third world - you give villages access, not individual households, and most of that is paid through charities and in addition that the developed world will pay much more than developing countries - offsetting the cost for them.

This is why
View: https://youtu.be/xRb7_ffl2D0

I know a lad for example that is setting up his own converted van to live in, but he wants to work whilst in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, where there's no mobile reception.

I see it as progression, and progression has never had it's problems..
 

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I don't think that's true.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find people in the UK without access to the internet - ie able to use it at work/school/library etc.

And I'm talking about browsing the web, not downloading 4k films in 23 seconds.

That's also the intent for the third world - you give villages access, not individual households, and most of that is paid through charities and in addition that the developed world will pay much more than developing countries - offsetting the cost for them.

This is why
View: https://youtu.be/xRb7_ffl2D0

I know a lad for example that is setting up his own converted van to live in, but he wants to work whilst in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, where there's no mobile reception.

I see it as progression, and progression has never had it's problems..


I agree with all that, but some of these places are so spread out that it's just much of a goer without satellites.
 

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I agree with all that, but some of these places are so spread out that it's just much of a goer without satellites.

So they're spread out so therefore it doesn't make sense to build billions of miles of cables across the third world because nobody will want to pay for it?

It's also very much in line with the UN's approach to poverty - don't throw money at poor people, enable them to build themselves up; rather than extended families lumping their life savings to send a bloke across the world illegally to live in a developed country, they could instead invest that in one of those bits of kit, creating a community hub where an economy will inevitably grow from there.
 

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Well, who will pay for it? Even at cost, it would be astronomical (Entire countries GDP sort of costs)

See how many times you can fit the UK into the footprint of Africa, then look at population coverage. When they talk about remote, they talk about 3 hours to the nearest town.
 

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I've still yet to see anyone show me an image of Starlink satellites polluting the night sky that wasn't taken at dawn or dusk. I'm interested to know how they'll be visible in the Earth's shadow. And why professional astronomers won't simply filter any silhouettes out, as they do with any other foreign body.
 

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Well, who will pay for it? Even at cost, it would be astronomical (Entire countries GDP sort of costs)

See how many times you can fit the UK into the footprint of Africa, then look at population coverage. When they talk about remote, they talk about 3 hours to the nearest town.

I've already explained - it'll be super expensive in the west, and therefore making it cheaper in the third world.

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This is how much it will cost me...

It's unavailable outside the developed world, planned to be released in 2023 for the rest of the world, but I do believe they already announced the offsetting idea.

Should also add that the speeds they're predicting will easily beat the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of UK broadband connections (which isn't hard to be fair)
 

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My issue with putting all this shit up into space is that eventually it just adds to the shit tonne of other junk up there.

*I haven't looked into whether these are designed to burn up
 

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My issue with putting all this shit up into space is that eventually it just adds to the shit tonne of other junk up there.

*I haven't looked into whether these are designed to burn up

I mean, things in space that actively lift people out of poverty are better than ones that say... spy on people? :D
 

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I've already explained - it'll be super expensive in the west, and therefore making it cheaper in the third world.

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This is how much it will cost me...

It's unavailable outside the developed world, planned to be released in 2023 for the rest of the world, but I do believe they already announced the offsetting idea.

Should also add that the speeds they're predicting will easily beat the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of UK broadband connections (which isn't hard to be fair)

I'm talking about the cost of laying copper/fibre, along with building the thousands of exchanges etc.

Edit, I am pretty sure Musk said as much re starlink, that the west would pay a load for it to enable it to be offered to the 3rd world.
 

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I'm talking about the cost of laying copper/fibre, along with building the thousands of exchanges etc.

What do you mean? Are you talking about if we did it without satellites?

Because the entire reason is that you don't need the copper/fibre, you buy a receiver (which Starlink are selling at a loss) and that's all you need, I'd imagine it then sends out a wi-fi signal/has ports in it for you to use with a cable.
 

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