Politics So...Europe then?

[Job]

The new adjustable yeild nukes are a bit of a game changer as well, they can turn them down to a few kilotons and would probably use them in a non 'normal' battle, they can be delivered by precision strike from warships and planes.

 

[Bodhi]

Stanstead and Luton as well. Ouch! Well, might be a good time to visit ye old isle.

I mean, before it disappears underwater..

Think you'll be waiting a while for the latter part....

Anyway if the worst Auntie can find right now is "Airport Foreign Exchange in being expensive shocker" then I don't think we have too much to worry about. I mean based upon airports, we've reached a point where a pack of cigarettes is £12.50, a pint of Carling is £4.40 and a tasteless sandwich is £6. Not really the real world now, if we're honest - at the same time Tesco were offering €1.13....*shrug*.

At the same time in July, employment rose, retail sales were up and Moody's have predicted our economy to grow both this year and next, much in line with the rest of Europe. As far as apocalypses go, this one is turning into a bit of a wet lettuce.

 

[Raven]

Shhhh don't say that. You will upset the parishioners of the church of EU. How dare question their gods!? What a section of "experts" have spouted is gospel and must not be questioned.

 

[DaGaffer]

The new adjustable yeild nukes are a bit of a game changer as well, they can turn them down to a few kilotons and would probably use them in a non 'normal' battle, they can be delivered by precision strike from warships and planes.

Fallout. So no, you can't. Low yield "tactical" nukes have been around for donkey's years, but for practical purposes they're as politically off limits as strategic weapons.

 

[Job]

B61 nuclear bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting read on the process for incapacitating the weapon if need be, imagine one of those not detonating and falling into enemy hands, they would have a backpack sized 50 kiloton device.

 

[Jupitus]

Shhhh don't say that. You will upset the parishioners of the church of EU. How dare question their gods!? What a section of "experts" have spouted is gospel and must not be questioned.

I'm actually pleased to see some decent figures being reported - I'm not so bloody-minded as to want a recession again and thankfully we came into this in a relative position of strength, but at the same time I do think that's the way we are going to head and honestly believe that people are in denial about it.

 

[dysfunction]

And we have not yet pushed the ejector button!

 

[Bodhi]

We're dooooooooomed.

Pound jumps as UK manufacturing activity rebounds - BBC News

Oh. Maybe not then.

 

[Raven]

"experts" say that story cannot possibly be true, ever.

 

[Job]

Good news for this week, but just like the drop, not remotely an indicator of future success.

 

[Scouse]

Recovered by 1%, still dropped by 9% and we've not actually left yet?

Market noise, is all. Nothing to see for five years.

 

[Job]

IMF admit to being surprised by economy...just fuckin lol.
Really, you mean the economy is practically unknowable..of course it is...thats why we gamble on the stock market, the day the world economy can be predicted is the day the stock exchange collapses.

Pound spikes above $1.33 as IMF admits financial market turmoil triggered by shock Brexit vote has subsided

 

[Raven]

You quite literally, couldn't make it up. /Littlejohn

 

[Raven]

More lies

The economic bounce back - BBC News

 

[Scouse]

The country is still a member of the European Union single market - with all the economic advantages that confers.

And will be probably well into 2019 at least.

At the same time, as far as many exporting businesses are concerned, the country has received an economic boost with a relatively rapid devaluation in sterling.

Trading in a single market with a weak currency certainly has plenty of economic upside.

We're still in Europe. Our pound is 9% less valuable. Nothing to see here.

 

[Job]

The mechanics are irrelevant, the fact that we are going to leave frightens people in the city with big bucks laid out on the roulette table.

 

[Bodhi]

We're still in Europe. Our pound is 9% less valuable. Nothing to see here.

Yet when the same metrics were predicting the end if the world a month ago, you were jumping up and down saying "SEE I TOLD YOU SO".

So do they only matter if they're bad?

 

[Scouse]

You're happy because we've only lost 9% of our wealth, rather than 10?

 

[Raven]

Truth is, none of it actually matters to most people, Brexit, stay, the EU sinks into the sea. The money made one way or the other doesn't make it to Joe Public, it sits in corporate bank accounts and Hedge funds.

People still toil through work just to keep a roof over their head, that hasn't changed. We are all essentially serving our corporate masters, one way or the other.

I think people want some socialist utopia where everyone loves everyone and everything is super. You aren't going to get that in the EU and you aren't going to get it post Brexit. Not a great deal will change, a bunch less EU migrants I suppose but that won't make a lot of difference for the racists, the Mohammeds and buddies will still come, they will still have millions of kids due to their stupid religion...over time that will change but again, fuck all difference whether we are in the EU or not.

It also makes no difference to how many people feel about Herr or Monsieur Joe Public, they are pretty decent folk on the whole, the same as us mostly (Maybe the French are a bit cuntish sometimes, poor losers etc) but personally I don't even think about what nationality people are. I have just returned to WoW for the latest expansion and one of the best things was the guild chat, really close knit (largish) mixture of casuals and raiders, pretty much every EU nationality represented, even a couple of Belgians. That wouldn't change if we stayed in the EU or not. I missed the whole reaction to the Brexit vote in guild chat as I wasn't playing at the time but I can absolutely guarantee it hasn't had an effect on how people see each other.

 

[Bodhi]

You can get the socialist paradise in Venezuala however. I'd suggest our comrades move out there for a while and report back.

 

[Job]

Not advertised enough was the recent poll of Daily Mail readers or such like rightwingers, they voted 80% to let immigrants allready here to stay.

90% of the rhetoric is media driven, we need to burn down the establishment and meet on the streets, I'm hoping instant translators will pull Europe together better than anything in the past, once we can freely communicate with other cultures, we can see our shared humanity.

 

[Jupitus]

What was not clear prior to the vote was the process that would start in the event of a yes vote. What has become clear over the past few weeks is that the new PM will not invoke article 50 until next year at the earliest and also that it's likely to take a couple of years to go through.

Thankfully this has given our economy a bit of breathing space before we actually exit, and yes with the dumping of sterling plus lower interest rates it seems to have given some areas of industry a welcome lift. Noone can deny that this is good short-term, of course.

Think a bit further though.

Record low interest rates right now in order to stimulate the economy through the uncertainty, but growing inflationary pressures are already being seen with higher import costs. The traditional way to combat inflation is higher interest rates which means that the BOE is likely to be forced to raise rates which in turn will start to dampen growth along with increasing mortgage costs and so on.

In short the impact so far has been limited because it's going to be a while before we Brexit, but already some signs of future danger are there so enjoy it while you can.

 

[Calo]

Truth is, none of it actually matters to most people, Brexit, stay, the EU sinks into the sea. The money made one way or the other doesn't make it to Joe Public, it sits in corporate bank accounts and Hedge funds.

People still toil through work just to keep a roof over their head, that hasn't changed. We are all essentially serving our corporate masters, one way or the other.

I think people want some socialist utopia where everyone loves everyone and everything is super. You aren't going to get that in the EU and you aren't going to get it post Brexit. Not a great deal will change, a bunch less EU migrants I suppose but that won't make a lot of difference for the racists, the Mohammeds and buddies will still come, they will still have millions of kids due to their stupid religion...over time that will change but again, fuck all difference whether we are in the EU or not.

It also makes no difference to how many people feel about Herr or Monsieur Joe Public, they are pretty decent folk on the whole, the same as us mostly (Maybe the French are a bit cuntish sometimes, poor losers etc) but personally I don't even think about what nationality people are. I have just returned to WoW for the latest expansion and one of the best things was the guild chat, really close knit (largish) mixture of casuals and raiders, pretty much every EU nationality represented, even a couple of Belgians. That wouldn't change if we stayed in the EU or not. I missed the whole reaction to the Brexit vote in guild chat as I wasn't playing at the time but I can absolutely guarantee it hasn't had an effect on how people see each other.

Why "even a coupe of belgians"!?!

 

[Ormorof]

They are the most evil people on earth

 

[Job]

What was not clear prior to the vote was the process that would start in the event of a yes vote. What has become clear over the past few weeks is that the new PM will not invoke article 50 until next year at the earliest and also that it's likely to take a couple of years to go through.

Thankfully this has given our economy a bit of breathing space before we actually exit, and yes with the dumping of sterling plus lower interest rates it seems to have given some areas of industry a welcome lift. Noone can deny that this is good short-term, of course.

Think a bit further though.

Record low interest rates right now in order to stimulate the economy through the uncertainty, but growing inflationary pressures are already being seen with higher import costs. The traditional way to combat inflation is higher interest rates which means that the BOE is likely to be forced to raise rates which in turn will start to dampen growth along with increasing mortgage costs and so on.

In short the impact so far has been limited because it's going to be a while before we Brexit, but already some signs of future danger are there so enjoy it while you can.

True, but that is pretty well business as usual for the economy, disaster is always around the corner and we have dealt with much worse.

 

[Embattle]

RIMMER: Well, it'll be the nineteenth century for me. One of Napoleon's
marshals. The chance to march across Europe with the greatest general
of all time and kill Belgians. Marvellous.

 

[Raven]

Those experts, eh?!

Recession fears 'fade' as UK's service sector grows - BBC News

 

[Raven]

Why "even a coupe of belgians"!?!

I had previously never met a Belgian, I thought they were made up.

 

[Anastasia]

No, that's Luxemburgers.

 

[Zarjazz]

Those experts, eh?!

Recession fears 'fade' as UK's service sector grows - BBC News

And? Nothing has actually changed yet. We're still in the EU, still part of the same financial and trade agreements. Literally the only difference in our political and economic situation since Brexit is the 10% drop in sterling which then led to an increase in exports. Well no shit, that's Basic Economics 101. It'll be some time yet before we see how that impacts *Imports*

We won't actually see if it'll be shit-hits-the-fan or happy-happy-fun-times until the EU exit negotiation are completed which could take years.