Politics So...Europe then?

[dysfunction]

EU army? New security strategy says bloc should ‘go beyond NATO’

Not a bad thing imo

 

[Bodhi]

Not a bad thing imo

It's a terrible idea.

 

[Raven]

Christ, its like they have decided to just ignore 200 years of history.

*Having said that, it is RT...to be taken with a couple of large wagons of salt.

 

[ECA]

It's been talked about for the last 10 years, it isn't very surprising.

One border, one army, one taxation regime, seems a lot like a nation state

 

[Raven]

Its almost like the EU is run by complete dummies. Citizens of various countries complaining about the federalisation of Europe so they start talking about even more federalisation. Most odd.

 

[Moriath]

It's been talked about for the last 10 years, it isn't very surprising.

One border, one army, one taxation regime, seems a lot like a nation state

Ey want it to be the united states of europe.

 

[SilverHood]

From what I've read today, the Spanish PM has already pretty much knocked the idea on the head. Not that, for a minute, I can figure out the attraction of ditching Westminster and cosying up to Brussels instead.

In better news:

11 Countries Gearing Up to Strike Trade Deals With Britain

Part of the reason I went with Leave is that there's a big wide world out there, and being a member of the EU limits our ability to set up trade deals with the rest of it. Looks like quite a lot of that big wide world has already got in touch about setting something up.

This is what will ultimately prove that Brexit was the right choice. There's an entire world out there that wants to trade with the UK, and it was never going to be possible in the EU due to the rampant protectionism. The former colonies are lining up to do business, as are the major economies of the Americas and Asia.

It's a shame that the Tories have made such a balls of this whole exercise, how hard would it have been to have a plan ready from day one. With Labour party imploding, the Tories could have pushed through all the legislation needed without hassle. Now they are rudderless and the best the UK can hope for is the same agreement that Norway has, with possibility of further devolution down the line.

 

[Job]

You couldnt make it up, epecially as this was one of the core ridicule arguments of remainers.
The more I see, the more I realise that Brexit might well save Europe from itself.

It seems a strange time to bring up such a contoversial, long held policy, especially using a politician who has courted controversey with her speeches on muslims in Europe.
Its as if any large scale attack on EU policies is always met with..
'Oh we've got loads more than that

Oh and Germany wants to bolster its "defence'' force...good god.

 

[Embattle]

I can feel so much backpedaling at the moment regarding free movement of people just so they get access to the single market.

 

[Job]

This picture just sums up the voting public to me.
Lets put im on a pallet and make him look like one of the people...and this shit works.

 

[Embattle]

Gove going solo.

 

[Bodhi]

EU opens new phase in Turkey membership bid talks - BBC News

Remember folks, Turkey joining the EU is not, and never has been on the table.

 

[Scouse]

Scientists worried.

The BBC's "must have balance in every article" act has given the Swiss argument of "Scientists for Britain" undue weighting also - just ask the Swiss.

This is *hugely* damaging to the UK.

 

[Scouse]

Remember folks, Turkey joining the EU is not, and never has been on the table.

I love baklavah


Anyway @Bodhi - it won't happen for over a decade at least. But it'll happen. And quite rightly so as the world gets more and more tightly knit and we realise that our similarities are greater than our differences.

Plus, as even @Job has (mistakenly, on his part) admitted (somewhere) - the way to combat Islam is to have them live next door to us. This referendum showed us that that people who live alongside immigrants don't dislike immigrants as much as people who only have a few in their area.

Now, if we could just sort out the pesky inequality that's holding the whole world back...

 

[BloodOmen]

EU opens new phase in Turkey membership bid talks - BBC News

Remember folks, Turkey joining the EU is not, and never has been on the table.

Doesn't really matter does it? I'm sure there are 35 Criteria you have to meet to join the EU, Turkey currently meets about 2 of that 35 and they need a Yes from every single member. It would be ages before they actually joined unless the EU fast tracked it, which would be incredibly irresponsible.

 

[Bodhi]

I love baklavah


Anyway @Bodhi - it won't happen for over a decade at least. But it'll happen. And quite rightly so as the world gets more and more tightly knit and we realise that our similarities are greater than our differences.

Plus, as even @Job has (mistakenly, on his part) admitted (somewhere) - the way to combat Islam is to have them live next door to us. This referendum showed us that that people who live alongside immigrants don't dislike immigrants as much as people who only have a few in their area.

Now, if we could just sort out the pesky inequality that's holding the whole world back...

Turkey's religion doesn't bother me in the slightest, as I care not a jot what the chosen sky-fairy in question is. I do, however care about being in any sort of political union with a country with dubious attitudes to freedom of speech and a highly porous land border to a war zone. Turkey of 10 years ago, sure, would be more than happy with that - but with Erdogan running things?

I'll pass on that one thanks.

However that wasn't the main point of my post. It was more showing that both sides of the debate were talking a load of old cobblers, so pinning all the deception on Leave is, well wrong. As wrong as Barry suggesting we would be at the back of the "queue" when it comes to a trade deal with the US - the reality has appeared much much different.

 

[Bodhi]

Doesn't really matter does it? I'm sure there are 35 Criteria you have to meet to join the EU, Turkey currently meets about 2 of that 35 and they need a Yes from every single member. It would be ages before they actually joined unless the EU fast tracked it, which would be incredibly irresponsible.

Of course, the EU are far above being so irresponsible.

We'll ignore the fudging of the figures to let Greece join the Euro.

 

[caLLous]

Nobody is pinning all the deception on Leave but the people at the head of the campaign made themselves look like absolute twats with all their frantic backtracking in the days after the referendum.

 

[Raven]

I won't disagree with that, but then much of what the remain crowd were saying appears to be bollocks too. It also appears there are murmurings of catastrophic fuck ups coming out of the EU now, centralised taxation, centralised budgets, centralised law courts all appear to be on the agenda. Then a EU army, wanting Turkey in, it would ne hilarious if it wasn't so frightening.

It looks ever more like we are better off out, watch it implode from the side lines, rather than within.

 

[Embattle]

It is amazing how many things must of been put on hold for the UK referendum.

 

[old.user4556]

Fuck me.

 

[BloodOmen]

Brexit won't happen and the referendum was a 'draw,' claims LSE expert

interesting-ish read I guess?

 

[Scouse]

I'll pass on that one thanks.

As would the rest of the EU - so there's no worries. Erdogan wouldn't be the leader who brought Turkey into the EU - there's nothing to suggest it's anything other than a long long time away. I mean - the process has been ongoing for over 50 years and they've a long way to go to meet agreed targets:

Negotiations were started on 3 October 2005 and out of 35 Chapters necessary to complete the accession process, 15 have been opened and 1 has been closed

You, and leave, are talking utter horse-shit about Turkey.

 

[Scouse]

it would ne hilarious if it wasn't so frightening

Ooooh! So frightening!! A United States of Europe.

Get used to it. Sooner or later it has to happen.

 

[ECA]

Boris announced he wont stand to be pm.

Seems like Theresa May then, unless gove has enough back bench support.

 

[Raven]

Get used to it. Sooner or later it has to happen.

Don't disagree with that either. But do you really want it built by failed politicians, at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons?

 

[Bodhi]

As would the rest of the EU - so there's no worries. Erdogan wouldn't be the leader who brought Turkey into the EU - there's nothing to suggest it's anything other than a long long time away. I mean - the process has been ongoing for over 50 years and they've a long way to go to meet agreed targets:



You, and leave, are talking utter horse-shit about Turkey.

Cool story bro. I'll email the BBC and tell them an angry communist on an internet forum thinks they are full of shit.

 

[ECA]

Ooooh! So frightening!! A United States of Europe.

Get used to it. Sooner or later it has to happen.

Pretty sure we just voted ourselves out of it.

Praise the Sun!

 

[Bodhi]

Don't disagree with that either. But do you really want it built by failed politicians, at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons?

I would also ask if he is keen for it to be the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, as it is in it's current guise.

I suspect we know the answer to that one.

 

[BloodOmen]

Ooooh! So frightening!! A United States of Europe.

Get used to it. Sooner or later it has to happen.

Does that mean we'll be able to buy guns like candy? and ban all Kinder Eggs ?