Politics So...Europe then?

[Yoni]

Will you be voting duxit?

I live in Sweden now.... Free movement in the EU... Ain't it wonderful

 

[Job]

Excellent article from journalist Bryony Gordon, remainer and Labour voter on whining remainers.

Spoiler

This was written yesterday by journalist Bryony Gordon, Remain campaigner and Labour voter...
"Yesterday I voted to Remain in the European Union. Today I could bang on about racism, xenophobia, small-mindedness, and the fact that nostalgia was once actually classed as an illness.
"But I’m not going to do any of these things. I’m not going to do any of these things because if there is one thing I loathe more than Brexit, it is the bleating, bellyaching reaction to it. Sure enough, the caterwauling from the self-declared good people of the Left has started in earnest, and like a bad case of tinnitus it will not stop for weeks.
"It reminds me of the moment, just 13 months ago, when 11 million people had the temerity to think differently from them and vote for a Conservative government (“but only 37 per cent wanted the Conservatives!” they wailed, despite having kept curiously quiet when only 36 per cent of the electorate wanted a Labour government in 2005).
"“Who are these c–––– who voted Tory?” asked one of my most “liberal” friends on Facebook. “To the selfish morons who voted for Cameron et al: I hope you are proud of yourselves,” wrote another, “I hope you enjoy your slightly lower taxes, you shameless, shameless human beings.”
"As Dick Tuck famously said when he lost out on the chance of a seat in the Californian Senate: “The people have spoken, the bastards!”
"My goodness, the Left carped for Queen and country – and I say this as someone who voted Labour. The words “F––– TORY SCUM” were graffitied on the Women of World War Two memorial on Whitehall. Laurie Penny, a darling of the Left, tweeted that she didn’t have a problem with the vandalism as the real vandals were in Downing Street.
"On and on they went, storming through Westminster because of the result of a democratically held election, campaigning for … what exactly? An electoral system more akin to the types found in, say, Zimbabwe, or North Korea? It was more like watching a room full of toddlers chucking their toys out of a pram than a protest – except the aggressive tone made it far less amusing.
"And here we are just over a year on, watching the same thing unfold on social media – and this time, anyone who dares to be out and proud is shouted down and treated as if they keep a back room full of Gollywogs.
"On Facebook and Twitter people can simply not believe that others might hold different opinions – this is because they don’t really leave Twitter, and when they do, it’s only to hang out with other people on Twitter who have the same views as them.
"That is fine. Most of us only want to spend time with like-minded people – arguing eventually gets tiring and can become exceedingly boring. Sitting around in a pub patting yourself on the back for being excellent and right is much more fun.
"But if in doing so you clean forget that there are other views out there, then you’re not living in the real world. You’re living in a narcissistic echo-chamber. You are in for a shock, and now you have it. What they all need to remember is that it doesn’t really matter why people vote the way that they do – just that they live in a country where they have the right to do so, as they please, without fear of any recriminations."

 

[Bodhi]

I live in Sweden now.... Free movement in the EU... Ain't it wonderful

Yes. My Swiss and Norwegian friends agree.

 

[Yoni]

Yes. My Swiss and Norwegian friends agree.

Hopefully the UK will get a soft agreement, however will free passage in Europe make the UK voters happy?

 

[DaGaffer]

I wonder that as well Embattle as it seems a lot of angry Remainers are people who had already moved away or people living comfortable lives

I'm sure you're right, and the demographic stats from the vote would bear that out, but then you have to ask yourself why more people in the UK aren't doing what the Poles and Romanians and all the people they are complaining about do...taking advantage of the opportunities the EU has given us all.

 

[DaGaffer]

Excellent article from journalist Bryony Gordon, remainer and Labour voter on whining remainers.

Spoiler

This was written yesterday by journalist Bryony Gordon, Remain campaigner and Labour voter...
"Yesterday I voted to Remain in the European Union. Today I could bang on about racism, xenophobia, small-mindedness, and the fact that nostalgia was once actually classed as an illness.
"But I’m not going to do any of these things. I’m not going to do any of these things because if there is one thing I loathe more than Brexit, it is the bleating, bellyaching reaction to it. Sure enough, the caterwauling from the self-declared good people of the Left has started in earnest, and like a bad case of tinnitus it will not stop for weeks.
"It reminds me of the moment, just 13 months ago, when 11 million people had the temerity to think differently from them and vote for a Conservative government (“but only 37 per cent wanted the Conservatives!” they wailed, despite having kept curiously quiet when only 36 per cent of the electorate wanted a Labour government in 2005).
"“Who are these c–––– who voted Tory?” asked one of my most “liberal” friends on Facebook. “To the selfish morons who voted for Cameron et al: I hope you are proud of yourselves,” wrote another, “I hope you enjoy your slightly lower taxes, you shameless, shameless human beings.”
"As Dick Tuck famously said when he lost out on the chance of a seat in the Californian Senate: “The people have spoken, the bastards!”
"My goodness, the Left carped for Queen and country – and I say this as someone who voted Labour. The words “F––– TORY SCUM” were graffitied on the Women of World War Two memorial on Whitehall. Laurie Penny, a darling of the Left, tweeted that she didn’t have a problem with the vandalism as the real vandals were in Downing Street.
"On and on they went, storming through Westminster because of the result of a democratically held election, campaigning for … what exactly? An electoral system more akin to the types found in, say, Zimbabwe, or North Korea? It was more like watching a room full of toddlers chucking their toys out of a pram than a protest – except the aggressive tone made it far less amusing.
"And here we are just over a year on, watching the same thing unfold on social media – and this time, anyone who dares to be out and proud is shouted down and treated as if they keep a back room full of Gollywogs.
"On Facebook and Twitter people can simply not believe that others might hold different opinions – this is because they don’t really leave Twitter, and when they do, it’s only to hang out with other people on Twitter who have the same views as them.
"That is fine. Most of us only want to spend time with like-minded people – arguing eventually gets tiring and can become exceedingly boring. Sitting around in a pub patting yourself on the back for being excellent and right is much more fun.
"But if in doing so you clean forget that there are other views out there, then you’re not living in the real world. You’re living in a narcissistic echo-chamber. You are in for a shock, and now you have it. What they all need to remember is that it doesn’t really matter why people vote the way that they do – just that they live in a country where they have the right to do so, as they please, without fear of any recriminations."

The only slight flaw in that argument is there have been plenty of people whining about being IN the EU since the last referendum on the issue in 1973; they just didn't have social media back then. If they hadn't been doing that, we wouldn't be where we are today.

As it happens, after 24 hours to vent my spleen (which I don't think is unreasonable given a bunch of fuckwits in another country may have ruined my life), I'm done moaning about it. Let's see what kind of a Britain we get out of this.

 

[Embattle]

Or perhaps because it isn't now what it was in 1973.

 

[BloodOmen]

Jaysus, that meaningless petition has gained 80k signatures in the last hour. Up to 850k now.

It's a petition that can't be ignored with those sig numbers or there will be riots ahead du du du du.

 

[Gwadien]

It's a petition that can't be ignored with those sig numbers or there will be riots ahead du du du du.

fuk me m8, there'll be riots.

 

[Embattle]

What is article 50 and why is it so central to the Brexit debate?

 

[Bodhi]

Brexit: A Very British Revolution

 

[Gwadien]

@throdgrain

Video evidence emerges of Nigel Farage pledging EU millions for NHS after denial

 

[Moriath]

But he has no influence on how its spent anyway as he isnt an mp. So if you took his word you were a bit stupid

 

[caLLous]

if you took his word you were a bit stupid

Leave voters, then? Repeatedly distancing themselves from "experts" and "evidence" and voting emotionally? I'm not saying all Leave voters are stupid (there were definitely right reasons to vote to Leave) but contributions to the EU was one of the main Leave points.

 

[Gwadien]

But he has no influence on how its spent anyway as he isnt an mp. So if you took his word you were a bit stupid

Throdgrain said that he didn't say it, he did.

 

[Fweddy]

Labour MP David Lammy calls on Parliament to reject the referendum result

 

[Talivar]

Right result or wrong result, if they cancelled it and made it pointless it would be the worst thing they could ever do

 

[BloodOmen]

fuk me m8, there'll be riots.

RIOTS! we'll get to see people stealing large bags of rice from Tesco again.

 

[old.Osy]

I was very busy for the past couple days, didn't get much internet time (zero), so i found out about the result Friday morning from co-workers.

I have to say I'm disappointed and mildly worried - I admit I do not understand everything about Brexit and potential implications for the EU and/or Britain, but it can't be good for either side, short or medium term.

I kinda had this unwaived faith that the Leave side would win, that logic and common sense would prevail in the UK, the cauldron that spawned Monty Python, Blackadder and the like.

Hrm.

 

[Gwadien]

Farage: NHS might have to be replaced by private health insurance

 

[Moriath]

Leave voters, then? Repeatedly distancing themselves from "experts" and "evidence" and voting emotionally? I'm not saying all Leave voters are stupid (there were definitely right reasons to vote to Leave) but contributions to the EU was one of the main Leave points.

Sure but if you took camerons word that we will have ww3 any time now.

 

[old.user4556]

Farage: NHS might have to be replaced by private health insurance

He's not wrong.

 

[caLLous]

Sure but if you took camerons word that we will have ww3 any time now.

That's a terrible example. It was Johnson that started talking about WW3 as a glib response to Cameron, whose exact quote was:

Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt?

He's not wrong.

He's not, but he said it in January 2015.

 

[Lamp]

I just can't picture Boris as PM. Gove yes. Theresa May yes. Boris? Oh boy...

 

[Embattle]

Theresa would probably be my favourite.

 

[dysfunction]

None of those thanks.

 

[Calaen]

Not Gove the schools are still trying to recover from his stint as education minister.

 

[caLLous]

I'd honestly struggle to pick the least worst of those 3.

 

[Gwadien]

We can either have fucked representation, fucked public services or fucked civil liberties.

 

[caLLous]

HSBC 'to move jobs to Paris if UK leaves single market'