Sept. 11th

[FatBusinessman]

Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt
the Taliban where never accepted as the government of Afghanistan, so in fact you could say the US has restored the legitimate government

Just out of interest: accepted by whom, exactly?

 

[mr.Blacky]

The Taliban were only recognised as the government of Afghanistan by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Mr.Blackshirt
this is true, but does the CIA have control over the Pakistani IS? no. even the government of Pakistan has hardly got any control over their IS.

Given they were funded and trained by the CIA, I'd say a resounding 'yes'.

the Taliban were never accepted as the government of Afghanistan, so in fact you could say the US has restored the legitimate government

Firstly, recognised by whom? So now the USA acts as the official regulating committee of the world does it? Noone is allowed to form a government without the permission and good grace of America? Now tell me you wonder why Sept 11th happened...

Secondly, there are dozens of similarly "illegitimate" governments in the world, ones that operate regimes as brutal and restrictive as the Taliban. Does the United States give a crap about them? No of course they don't, because it doesn't serve a purpose for them.

Thirdly, the USA hasn't restored shit. Notice how they've quickly lost interest with Afghanistan, now they've gotten rid of their scapegoats? The 'Northern Alliance' is no better than the Taliban - they're just a collection of local warlords and clan leaders whose views don't happen to oppose with America's this particular week, and who happen to have mutual enemies with the US. No doubt we'll forget all about them, watch beningly as they grow into an abusive, oppressive regime, ignore the fact that they persecute a large percentage of their own people, and wait until they actually do something detrimental to us (the West) before we then intervene, and send this lot packing. After all, that's exactly what we did with the Taliban. Meanwhile, the Yanks are off warmongering in the Gulf again - after all, any time's a good time to have a go at Saddam isn't it.

And fourthly, I wasn't even talking about the Taliban. I was referring to the entirely legitimate communist government that ruled Afghanistan in the 70s, that the USA undermined and ultimately funded a bloody coup against.

see above with the adition that the recognised government agreed to the presence of US/UK forces.

Calling the Northern Alliance a 'government' is a bit like calling the Khmer Rouge a 'democratic party'. Who the hell are the US/UK forces to 'recognise' anything?

But otherwise the only reason I can come up with is that the Taliban helped Al Quada with the attacks, and seeing what is known about the relationship between them it would not surprise me.

Is that it? It "would not surprise" you? I was under the impression that in a modern civilised world, we were supposed to have more than suspicions and rumours before we ripped up international accords, declared war, toppled governments and created refugees out of a nation. But then, the United States (or any *legitimate* legal/international body) hasn't provided a single shred of evidence implicating Al Qaeda or the Taliban in the September 11th attacks. So I guess we can just act on suspicion these days. God help the next poor bastards we suspect of pissing on our bonfire - we don't seem to let things like international justice get in the way of giving someone a good kicking.

The sad thing is, the entire sequence of events following the September 11th attacks is a perfect retrospective microcosm of why it happened in the first place. It's like the Israelis reacting to suicide bombings by attacking refugee camps... thereby creating a few hundred more willing to die for the cause. A tragic state of affairs when even the deaths of thousands of innocent people won't make us stop and think, even for a second.

 

[mr.Blacky]

somehow I think you are making it too easy for me to respond, so many holes

Given they were funded and trained by the CIA, I'd say a resounding 'yes'.

if so then the USSR (now Russia) could be held responsible for the actions of many terrorist groupes like RAF and the Italian Red Brigades. This is not the case. You have to realise that people will try to USE each other in that IS world, it has nothing to do with "once bought always bought".

So now the USA acts as the official regulating committee of the world does it

errr no, hope not. But lets face it only 2 countries did, nor did the UN.
Other illigitimate regimes: which ones in the case of acceptance? the only one that comes close to the Taliban regime is Taiwan but that is hardly a repressive one. And others don't piss of the US, so they dont attack them.
Not restored anything: errr some kind of normality in Afghanistan is a large step forward. Though the US has done nothing to aid in this, truth be told without the West Afghanistan would still have the Taliban.
Northern Aliance not better? rofl good morning, are you awake? Yes they are self centerd bastards BUT at least with them you can change their minds with religious fanatics you never ever can.

any time's a good time to have a go at Saddam isn't it

yes and no, now is a good time with Iran out of the picture (their own conflict). You will not have a large problem of non western influence when the government change takes place.

And fourthly, I wasn't even talking about the Taliban. I was referring to the entirely legitimate communist government that ruled Afghanistan in the 70s, that the USA undermined and ultimately funded a bloody coup against

PLEASE look at the history. With this statement you have almost lost everybit of respect I had for you. First you are forgetting the coupe of the communist and second without a popular support no coupe can succeed.

international accords, declared war, toppled governments and created refugees

which accords? which war? which government?
oh and the refugees? perhaps running from the most restrictive/opressing REGIME in the world?




OK dont get me wrong. 11th semptember was wrong, the US are hardly decent. Religious fanatics should be put on an island and let them kill each other.