PS3 has lost to Wii and Xbox360 (discuss)

[MYstIC G]

Actually if you think about it there probably is. If this activates some kind of dev mode all they have to do is the usual "firmware update" bullshit and send out all the development studios a different USB key.

I'm not a massive PS3 fan but protecting the core system is something that Sony have done a pretty good job of.

 

[cHodAX]

Actually if you think about it there probably is. If this activates some kind of dev mode all they have to do is the usual "firmware update" bullshit and send out all the development studios a different USB key.

I'm not a massive PS3 fan but protecting the core system is something that Sony have done a pretty good job of.

Firmware updates will help them of course but you can't force a firmware upgrade on to every console, determined pirates will just refuse to update and wait for someone to crack the forced firmware update system as happened on both PSP and 360.

As for Sony doing a good job, I would go further and say that they did a brilliant job on the security, for 4 years that system has been under constant attack by hardcore engineers and programmers looking for holes and only now are we looking at something that 'might' be viable.

 

[Ch3tan]

They way around this for the manufacturers is to constantly re-design their consoles. They do this anyway to reduce costs and improve performance. So will this hack work on Sony's new models with larger hardrives? Probably not as they will ship with a newer firmware. It's a constant game of cat and mouse, which Sony have done better at than MS or Ninty. Although MS banning the 1million or so xbox live id's was hilarious.

 

[Aada]

Piracy on a small scale doesn't really affect much. For example getting a game you had no intention to buy, or trailing a game before buying.

Hugely difference with chipped consoles that can have massive libraries of games put on to them

Giv the promo ffs I'm poor this month :/

Well if you had no intention to buy a game why would you download it?

Silly pirates and their excuses.

I'm not saying your a pirate i just see that sentence you typed a lot.

 

[nath]

Well if you had no intention to buy a game why would you download it?

Silly pirates and their excuses.

Well to play it, obviously. Just arguing for logic's sake here - wanting to play a game doesn't mean you want to enough to pay for it.

If someone at the supermarket offers you a free sample of a chocolate brownie - you might take it, that doesn't mean you would have paid for that sample if it were no longer free.

I'm not defending piracy all the way here, it's just fucking annoying that people often refuse to see this extremely obvious point.

I bought a Nintendo DS because I found out through a friend that there's a cart that lets you stuff anything on it. Prior to that I had no interest in the DS and had this thing not been available I can guarantee you (as much as these guarantee's can be made) that I would not have bought a DS. End result, Nintendo haven't lost anything to piracy from me - I don't even torrent DS roms so I'm not helping others get hold of them.

Piracy can be entirely morally neutral, though admittedly it probably very rarely is.

 

[Yaka]

anyways



deebs on the gt5 3d demo you had, did you notice are there any negatives to it? or was you fully immersed and any side effect anyone complained about afterwards?

 

[Aada]

Well to play it, obviously. Just arguing for logic's sake here - wanting to play a game doesn't mean you want to enough to pay for it.

If someone at the supermarket offers you a free sample of a chocolate brownie - you might take it, that doesn't mean you would have paid for that sample if it were no longer free.

I'm not defending piracy all the way here, it's just fucking annoying that people often refuse to see this extremely obvious point.

I bought a Nintendo DS because I found out through a friend that there's a cart that lets you stuff anything on it. Prior to that I had no interest in the DS and had this thing not been available I can guarantee you (as much as these guarantee's can be made) that I would not have bought a DS. End result, Nintendo haven't lost anything to piracy from me - I don't even torrent DS roms so I'm not helping others get hold of them.

Piracy can be entirely morally neutral, though admittedly it probably very rarely is.

Sugar coat it all you want, piracy is piracy if you have no intention of playing said game then don't download it just because you can get it for free.

Oh and your Supermarket thing doesn't seem right at all, that's what demos are for aren't they?

 

[nath]

Sugar coat it all you want, piracy is piracy if you have no intention of playing said game then don't download it just because you can get it for free.

Oh and your Supermarket thing doesn't seem right at all, that's what demos are for aren't they?

You asked "Well if you had no intention to buy a game why would you download it?" I answered. Don't let logic and rational thinking get in the way of your "piracy is bad, mm'kay" mantra though.

Like I said, for the most part I expect piracy is just piracy and people are not paying because they'd rather not. My point was only that there are other examples, the my DS one. I could have just not purchased it but ethically speaking, how would that be any different than what I've done? No one has lost anything.


Yes, the supermarket scenario isn't perfect - I've thought of something more appropriate. A lot of people quite happily take a copy of The Metro (london based newspaper on the tube, UTTER shit) because it's free. If suddenly they started charging, even charging 10p, I expect a significant amount of readers would be lost.

People taking free stuff does not necessarily imply they'd pay for it otherwise.

 

[Aada]

Prompt response!

But yes i agree.

 

[nath]

Prompt response!

But yes i agree.

No no that's not how this works, we carry on arguing until we end up shouting abuse and threats at each other. This is the Internet for Christ's sake, there are standards to maintain.

 

[Aada]

:lol:

 

[Wij]

Damn, missed to 1000th response (it was Aada).

Anyway, PS3s go to heaven to see baby jebus too

 

[nath]

1000th *response* was Aada's, 1000th POST was mine, ALL MINE!

 

[ECA]

Maybe it wiill be a better idea if wii wait and see which console does better over the next few years

/hide

 

[Ch3tan]

Maybe it wiill be a better idea if wii wait and see which console does better over the next few years

/hide

Bloody Nintendo fan bois.

 

[Wij]

The race to 2000 is on

 

[cHodAX]

I find ECA's avatar really troubling.

1 - 007 for me!

 

[MYstIC G]

Anyone would think this thread is no longer console related but post count related

 

[Ch3tan]

Really? more spamming retards..
+1 etc

+1 etc

 

[cHodAX]

Anyone would think this thread is no longer console related but post count related

My post was valid, ECA is a sick fucker!

 

[cHodAX]

Looks like it is legit...

Sony has been granted a temporary injunction against the PSJailbreak USB modchip.

The plug-in copy protection bypass was released earlier this month, apparently defeating the so-called "unhackable" PlayStation 3.

However, Australia's Federal Court has temporarily barred the import and sale of the dongle, reports Kotaku, granting Sony until the end of August to make its case for a permanent restriction on the controversial device.

If Sony cannot convince the courts that the PSJailbreak is illegal, it will go back on sale in September.

It is likely that Sony is pursuing similar injunctions in other territories, but the recent news that cheaper clones of the device have already been created may complicate stemming the tide.

Legal responses to modchips and jailbreaks worldwide have been inconsistent, with some devices being banned outright, others – such as the notorious DS R4 – surviving for years before being blocked and, recently, hacks for the iPhone being legally allowed in the US.

Digital Foundry vs. PSJailbreak - Page 1 | DigitalFoundry | Eurogamer.net

 

[Yaka]

thats just in oz, peeps in europe hav e em, and there clones on the way.

 

[megadave]

So are these chips actually confirmed as working and legitimate? Or is everyone expecting a backlash from Sony that'll render their machines fairly useless in regards to the internet?

 

[Yaka]

confirmed working , at he most sony can do to see who is using it is by checking for the program that installs on the ps3 that runs the games minus the disc or running any unsigned code.

and team xecuter are looking to bring a revised version of this back into production, useless addon that may become useful Team Xecuter's Hard Drive Xtender replaces PS3 HDD with your own -- Engadget

 

[Billargh]

Microsoft Increases Xbox Live Subscription Price in the United States - Softpedia

Xbox Live Price Increase Coming November 1

Price change for Xbox LIVE Gold subscription - Xbox Live's Major Nelson



Gogo Microsoft!

 

[MYstIC G]

Meh. As I was saying with Chet afk a few days ago, screw live.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yep, I've already cancelled my auto renewal, waste of £40 last year. I'll get MP games on the ps3 instead.

 

[MYstIC G]

I am curious why the UK longer period subs haven't had their prices changed though.

 

[Billargh]

Maybe, and this is a long short, they're keeping UK prices the same to actually keep them in line with the US ones based on currency conversion etc.

 

[Yaka]

£40? didnt realise it this much been only paying £31 past couple pf years