Lost my in game virginity

[mid.Divine]

about DET vs. INSTA CC...

duel'd a healer with my rr5 warrior (Det4 AoM2)

even the 11 sec single target stun didnt last more than 1.3 sec

Just ask Jeralin

..... and im just rr5... high rr tanks, or just ones with Det5 are halfway immune to insta cc... and the insta stun aint gonna last more than a second if not less...

And sorcs got a nice self mess duration reducer buff and a grp mess duration reducer chant .... 15% grp at 49 mind ?

don't have a clue how sorcs spec tho but the ability to give everyone in the grp Det1+ is nice?

spank meh if i'm wrong

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by grizlasthehero
mercs can hit up to 500dmg maybe not same as 900dmg but still u have more tanks 2mercs(with PF)/1paladin/1mincer/1 theurg(casterdmg and pets)/ all them can do dmg... mid has 2savages1skald... seems fair tbh ;d

Warrior can't deal damage?

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by mid.Divine
And sorcs got a nice self mess duration reducer buff and a grp mess duration reducer chant .... 15% grp at 49 mind ?

don't have a clue how sorcs spec tho but the ability to give everyone in the grp Det1+ is nice?

spank meh if i'm wrong

Most sorcs only get second best buff (10%) and it's only vs mezz.

They should've kept the first system ( sorc self buff + capped resists + buffs = 100% mezz resist, now it's impossible to get 100% immune )

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
I got hit 900 3 times yesterday at 1s delay xD got screenies but can't host them.Roll on 1.65

prolly been mentioned

hardcap 1.5sec etc...

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Originally posted by mid.Divine
but the ability to give everyone in the grp Det1+ is nice?

or just remove the mezzing/snaring/rooting/stunning etc the whole idea is silly anyway

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Arnor
prolly been mentioned

hardcap 1.5sec etc...

Like they said on casters and it wasn't Oo

I proved to some people on excal there is no melee cap, h2h savage with clerity+ his haste used hit 11 times within a 9s stun

I know logs definetly prove it but we tested ingame(ok it's not the best way to do so but just saying what i saw), though lag sometimes can make people not see a fast hitted swing.

 

[old.Atrox]

Make a test like you test cast speed.

Find an empty mg, bring a celerity bot, start to abuse the mgGate.
Log it then check your swingtime.

 

[old.Atrox]

- pwnd by lag -

 

[zapzap]

Sure bring mele damage inline in all 3 realms but then there is no need for Bof is there ?

Zapsi

 

[old.Atrox]

sure gifv melee balance 24/7 rather then once every 30/15min

 

[old.mattshanes]

READ my earlier post, what else is good about a cleric other than BOF? single stun is overated.Yes i know certain classes in all realms need fixing still, but i am just pointing our the fact here albs can't beat savage groups at the moment without bof, high rr ones anyway.(high rr h2h savage can have 20-25% quad rate atm, there's no way some clerics can heal that damage)

 

[Aule Valar]

how is it then that hib tank grps can take savage tank grps then
(high rr ones can be very hard), when they don't have bof at all

 

[old.mattshanes]

4 healing classes.
Haste on bms from buffbots.
TWF warden ra.
4.3 spd mainhand piercer from galla, alb gets a 3.6 best :E
3-4x triple wield=ouch.
Also their support can cc better than albs, although bolt range sorc mezz is great but what else is good cc other than that?:E

Maybe the 1.65 theurg changes will be a nice bonus and the crush specline changes(6s anytime stun for a merc just like a bm has)

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
READ my earlier post, what else is good about a cleric other than BOF? single stun is overated.Yes i know certain classes in all realms need fixing still, but i am just pointing our the fact here albs can't beat savage groups at the moment without bof, high rr ones anyway.(high rr h2h savage can have 20-25% quad rate atm, there's no way some clerics can heal that damage)

Spec AF is damm nice imo.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by zapzap
Spec AF is damm nice imo.

Not really.Again another thing that's overated when you have pala chant xE

 

[Damon_D]

Aye but we dont :x

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by old.Morchaoron
uploaded the piccies for matt:

(856 total damage in one blow)

amagaaad i look uber in those pic!!!

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by old.Morchaoron
uploaded the piccies for matt:

(856 total damage in one blow)

amagaaad i look uber in those pic!!!

 

[Derric]

Froler sucks! \o/

 

[froler-mid]

such lagg TT

Originally posted by old.Morchaoron


infils are a bit too strong yes, but at least they dont hit the strongest mid tank for 850 damage in 1s xD

i PA for over 1k dmg with my infil on mid chain tanks all the time... (with relics)

Originally posted by Derric
Warrior can't deal damage?

warrior get into sav/heal group for one reason, guard, blockbot, he shouldnt do any dmg



edit: oh ffs, frikkin bw...

 

[haroat]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
I got hit 900 3 times yesterday at 1s delay xD got screenies but can't host them.Roll on 1.65

But remember though all savages are very skilled and best players in the world xD

3 hit = triple, 1.65 = higher chance to triple, lesser chance to quad

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by froler-mid
warrior get into sav/heal group for one reason, guard, blockbot, he shouldnt do any dmg

That why your warriors run all over the place?

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Derric
That why your warriors run all over the place?

he also put PF on alb/hib tanks, kills pets....but mainly a guard bot yes...or atleast that 'our' plan

 

[tildson]

Spec AF is not overrated

670 -> 810AF on my arms
studded/chain/plate = 595/630/670

has a huge impact, thats why my ranger averages 50-75 more dmg on mids than alb stealthers - due to spec AF

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yep that 20-30 less damage will really help vs savages who quad shitloads at the moment :E

It's good but it's not as good as the utility that a cleric SHOULD have compared to a druid/healer or if not then a friar should.They should revamp the smite line...

 

[tildson]

And yes, any idiot can play a savage. 850dmg isnt much from a quad really, r3-r4's can do it. And infils are overpowered aswell, spec AF, 2.5pts and DF - kinda funny

Enchanters are overpowered aswell, but they are casters so go figure.

Try PA a chainwearer in alb with moa3 spec-AF buff, wont go past 1k

Haste is really good, alb would have a hard time vs hib melee if they didnt got BoF and SoS

 

[froler-mid]

quad isnt shitloads....not even close too the numbers u stated old.mattshanes(20-25%)


Total swings: 2196
Total misses: 342
Single hits: 675 56.68%
Double hits: 342 28.72%
Triple hits: 28 2.35%
Quad hits: 146 12.26%


this is my stats in RVR with dr3. Mainly on players but some on aggro/pets. Checked with other high rr savages on pryd, they are around same numbers...highest being around 13% quads



And spec AF is uber, being AP1½ and all.....(proven several times)...then add cleric's ra AP...= the annoying...



but i agree, clerics need something more "funnier" then smite....(played a cleric rr2-rr5).

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Yep that 20-30 less damage will really help vs savages who quad shitloads at the moment :E

It's good but it's not as good as the utility that a cleric SHOULD have compared to a druid/healer or if not then a friar should.They should revamp the smite line...

20-30 more for a savage is almost as having all str-relics though

And yes, they nerfed smite wayyyyyyy too much. Think the delve value was 229 or 239DD before nerf Now its useless, should have gotten ae-insta mez there instead.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yes i know spec AF is good for stealthers in alb.... but group wise it's not going to save you vs high damage dealing classes really.Hib tank group at high rr is very very good and h2h savages at high rr aren't funny at all, maybe to the idiots who play them ;d

Also a guildie sorc got 1 shotted by a savage last week, 1300 quad, heh it's amazing how such a class got created.Oh well we will just have to see how the nerfs are in 1.65 xD be funny seeing remish kill himself with shouts ;d (it's a shame you can't though )

Remish my quad rate was with dr 5.

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by froler-mid
quad isnt shitloads....not even close too the numbers u stated old.mattshanes(20-25%)


Total swings: 2196
Total misses: 342
Single hits: 675 56.68%
Double hits: 342 28.72%
Triple hits: 28 2.35%
Quad hits: 146 12.26%


this is my stats in RVR with dr3. Mainly on players but some on aggro/pets. Checked with other high rr savages on pryd, they are around same numbers...highest being around 13% quads



And spec AF is uber, being AP1½ and all.....(proven several times)...then add cleric's ra AP...= the annoying...



but i agree, clerics need something more "funnier" then smite....(played a cleric rr2-rr5).

Think his point is that Savages are doing shitloads of damage, and even if the numbers says its kinda low - the 12% are really noticeable in reality.