How is War now:)?

[ebenezer]

OK. i just browsed the forums and was thinking if i should resub or not. I havent played anything in a while but have been busy in rl and played other games( daoc falout 3 etc.) when time.
I lost focus completely after grinding in pve and ended up at 17 or so on the whitch hunter. I found myself solo in pve a lot and it was just murder to get anywhere.
How is the end game now though? is it worth the grinding...or should i continue playing other games?
Is soloing in rvr gonna be possible at all?( non solo people dont have to answer that one, cause i know they will say no). Is it zergy? are the zergfights nice?
How are the rewards now for open rvr? And is open rvr fun?
Give me some input guys
/Ebe/solamnus.

 

[Enli]

well balance seems to be getting back on azgal (kds swapped sides and school is about to start again)
about classbalance, a we should still be nerfed to oblivion but if it aint zergs its quite enjoyable now

BUT zone crashes when u get a crowdy fortress fight
altho i loved this fact cause destro had a lame idea to raid en masse at christmas like nerds

rewards are very decent, tho in t4 it takes long till u get it but worth it

 

[Mabs]

why do people play MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER games and then bang on about soloing ?

if thats your thing, then you will never like a game designed for large fights, no ?

 

[Grotnob]

why do people play MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER games and then bang on about soloing ?

if thats your thing, then you will never like a game designed for large fights, no ?

Shhh... Massively Multiplayer leads to mass disconnections. Mass disconnections lead to frustration. Frustration leads to anger. Anger leads to the Wajn-side.

Much wajn there is in this game.

 

[twix112]

I resubbed just this week and so far it's far better than it was a couple of months ago, altho I just been in T1 and 2 but people are starting to talk more and more in the WB and region chatts (at least on 8peak). Still some problem with animations in massive fights but it works. Was worth every penny to resub =)

 

[Legean]

I'm considering letting my subs run out. On KEP it seems to be either chaining scenarios or attacking undefended keeps. On the odd occasion that the two sides do clash its over far too fast. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see what gets fix/changed to see if I come back.

 

[ebenezer]

Thanx for the input this far.
And @Mabs.
Didnt i specificly say i didnt want the kind of answer you just gave ? For ur information i have sucsessfully soloed for years in daoc and that being ammorpg you should get ur answer there If you dont solo urself you just canot answer that question cause you wouldnt know...
/eb.

 

[Mabs]

Thanx for the input this far.
And @Mabs.
Didnt i specificly say i didnt want the kind of answer you just gave ? For ur information i have sucsessfully soloed for years in daoc and that being ammorpg you should get ur answer there If you dont solo urself you just canot answer that question cause you wouldnt know...
/eb.

so you dont want to do any keep sieges
or city raids
or fortresses
or BOs

you just want to stand in a field waiting for someone else to wander up so you can test your gear/spec ?

isnt that really dull ?

 

[mooSe_]

so you dont want to do any keep sieges
or city raids
or fortresses
or BOs

you just want to stand in a field waiting for someone else to wander up so you can test your gear/spec ?

isnt that really dull ?

ahhhh let him do what he wants, you don't pay his subs

 

[Legean]

@Mabs.

Its MMO not MMO Grouping/Zerging or Soloing. Each is just as viable as the other. Some people enjoy different playstyles why is that wrong?

 

[Tallen]

T3 orvr is awesome on Hirn

 

[Mabs]

ahhhh let him do what he wants, you don't pay his subs

@Mabs.

Its MMO not MMO Grouping/Zerging or Soloing. Each is just as viable as the other. Some people enjoy different playstyles why is that wrong?

i jus really dont understand it

why would you play a multiplayer game about zone control and sieging, if you have zero interest in that ?

I DONT UNDERSTAND!!!!11

he can play however he likes i just really dont see why you would PAY to do something like that in a game designed to NOT be like that



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oh and if you look at the endgame (the functionality of which is another argument) soloing is NOT AT ALL VIABLE, see above

 

[ebenezer]

hehe il try and help you understand I didnt really understand soloing until i started doing it myself. Im a competitive person..i like to test myself and my "abilities" and toon against others likeminded and others out there in rvr.
Daoc was also "designed" for large warfare. Or that is what the people liking that said anyhow. But in reality daoc was designed to do alot of things. You could stand crafting in tnn or cammy and sell stuff for 3 years if you liked that. You can pve if you like that, and you can solo/zerg in rvr.

Mythic knows from earlier in daoc a lot of people enjoy to solo/small man as well as zerg. So im pretty sure they had that in mind for WAR too somewhere.

I enjoy solo the most...but have also had a few characters to group up with friends if that takes my fancy one day
Overall though i cant seem to enjoy the zerging any longer...i find it boring and no challenge as its out of my controll more or less what the outcome is in the fights.
Im also a man with a very busy rl...having kids/dog etc i cant commit to staying in groups at all times. before that i had a job which was the kind of job where you have to be ready 24/7 even nights, same thing there....soloing was great combination.

Anyhow...hope you understand a little bit better
/Ebster.

 

[Perf]

so you dont want to do any keep sieges
or city raids
or fortresses
or BOs

you just want to stand in a field waiting for someone else to wander up so you can test your gear/spec ?

isnt that really dull ?

no it isnt mabs, try it maybe?
you can join in the sieges etc and have fun until the it all quietens down and then your zerging all grinds to a stop with all keeps/bo's red or blue whichever side your on then theres nothing else for the zerge to do. The zerger then gets bored quickly and either logs or spams for scenario's pq's whatever. I seen it many times, a solo orientated person can continue to search/hunt the many stragglers running around or go off and quest on there own without getting bored. I ofc speak from experience, my char doesnt really offer me much to do in the usual siege so i'll go off and camp enemy routes which for me is more fun.
dont get me wrong though, i'm not a selfish player like so many ppl regard solo types i'm always more than happy to help the guild/alliance i am in to raid keeps/dungeons or pq's. its just that i do prefer to run solo or with a likeminded friend for a duo.

Ebe,my old m8.
get your wh leveled up there is plenty of 1v1 fights to be had, you will kill many and many will kill you but i know thats how you enjoy playing.
you can easily get all the item/gear you need by joining in your guilds dung raids etc. so get resubbed and get xp'ing

 

[Mabs]

no it isnt mabs, try it maybe?
you can join in the sieges etc and have fun until the it all quietens down and then your zerging all grinds to a stop with all keeps/bo's red or blue whichever side your on then theres nothing else for the zerge to do. The zerger then gets bored quickly and either logs or spams for scenario's pq's whatever. I seen it many times, a solo orientated person can continue to search/hunt the many stragglers running around or go off and quest on there own without getting bored. I ofc speak from experience, my char doesnt really offer me much to do in the usual siege so i'll go off and camp enemy routes which for me is more fun.
dont get me wrong though, i'm not a selfish player like so many ppl regard solo types i'm always more than happy to help the guild/alliance i am in to raid keeps/dungeons or pq's. its just that i do prefer to run solo or with a likeminded friend for a duo.

Ebe,my old m8.
get your wh leveled up there is plenty of 1v1 fights to be had, you will kill many and many will kill you but i know thats how you enjoy playing.
you can easily get all the item/gear you need by joining in your guilds dung raids etc. so get resubbed and get xp'ing

thats not soloing

thats zerging when it suits you, and then going "waaa dont run me over with a fg in a *soloer* "
saw plenty of that in daoc ta, and its pathetic

you either solo permanantly, or dont, cant change your stance as it suits you

 

[ebenezer]

thanx for the input perf as before its nice to hear its still possible. I might resub next month when i have more cash hehe.

@Mabs. Actually its possible to zerg and solo( even if im mainly solo and ver rarely group up.) I have seen people join groups and solo very well. You just dont help out killing the few soloers around and you wont get any complaints.
You hang around farming the other zergers and its all good hehe.

 

[Perf]

thats not soloing

thats zerging when it suits you, and then going "waaa dont run me over with a fg in a *soloer* "
saw plenty of that in daoc ta, and its pathetic

you either solo permanantly, or dont, cant change your stance as it suits you

nope you got it wrong. i'll join a guild grp or alliance raid whenever i'm needed.
as far as crying about being killed by a grp or whoever. it happens more often than finding a good 1v1 fight. i'm happy to run back an try again. i have absolutely no problem at all with ppl playing in zerges or ppl who have the red is dead attitude.

 

[Mabs]

thanx for the input perf as before its nice to hear its still possible. I might resub next month when i have more cash hehe.

@Mabs. Actually its possible to zerg and solo( even if im mainly solo and ver rarely group up.) I have seen people join groups and solo very well. You just dont help out killing the few soloers around and you wont get any complaints.
You hang around farming the other zergers and its all good hehe.

nope you got it wrong. i'll join a guild grp or alliance raid whenever i'm needed.
as far as crying about being killed by a grp or whoever. it happens more often than finding a good 1v1 fight. i'm happy to run back an try again. i have absolutely no problem at all with ppl playing in zerges or ppl who have the red is dead attitude.

yeah thats fair enough, as i said i find it odd thats all
and perf, that wasnt directed at you particularly, mainly the "zerg to RR5 then whine cos people "added" on them when they started soloing" daocers

 

[Mas]

Hello Sol m8

I would advise to resub, RvR is plentyful (eight peaks) on all tiers.

I recently came from Orrug server where it was empty, and now it's much more fun. Soloing is more apparent in tier 2,3 and 4 rather than tier 1. Of course the Zerg fest is still there, but same daoc solo rules apply, scouting, picking off stragglers, baiting etc etc. Scenarios are ok for inbetween pve bring but are just a massive Zerg fest.

Had some fantastic duels with no interuption but get ready fir the snare as a large portion of players tend to flee when they lose or start to lose.

RvR gas been overhauled since you played, and it's still early in war's lifespan. No other mmo has been so satisfying in the rvr field after just a few months of retail. People give it way to much stick for a game that's still teething but no game (other than daoc) comes close to pvp action.

Hope you resub, got a green dude that enjoys witch hunters

 

[Turamber]

Tier 1 to 3 is quite fun RvR wise, but turns into a crowd control fest in tier 4. The new interface is horrible and likely to cause fits with its flashing on skill refresh.

All in all a very disappointing game in my humble opinion. Copies WoW but without the polish, has none of the best parts of DAoC and produced RvR which manages to be a grind and rather dull.

Mythic's track record of over nerfing doesn't help either. Hopefully it will receive a thorough overhaul during 2009 and be rebooted.

 

[mooSe_]

Overall though i cant seem to enjoy the zerging any longer...i find it boring and no challenge as its out of my controll more or less what the outcome is in the fights.

I'm not a soloer but I agree with you here. I prefer small team based pvp to massive laggy zerg offs where each individual player has very little control over the outcome of the game.

 

[twix112]

I'm not a soloer but I agree with you here. I prefer small team based pvp to massive laggy zerg offs where each individual player has very little control over the outcome of the game.

or no control at all what the hell is happening... as a healer it's pain in the ass to aquire a specific target in that big lump of meat that represent the players from both sides... but it's still quite satisfactory to be part of a warband slaughtering a keep =)

 

[Aqe]

In my guild whenever we have enough people 12 or so we actively hunt the order zerg and try to harass as much as possible. Not really bothered about keeps and bo's. Avoid following the 100+ people zerg grinding keeps/BO's.

Roaming with a 6man is also quite nice. Best zone is eataine when DW is locked down. lots of open fields so you can see and avoid the zerg and also see and engage the other grps there.

 

[eksdee]

recently got the call from a mate to start playing again, hadn't logged in since late november and i have to say from the first two nights the rvr action seems much improved. yes, the zerg is still there but the first thing that happened when i logged in for example is we had some 6v6 fights for about an hour, which were actually great fun.

as aqe says above, running with a 6man and taking on whatever you find really is a lot of fun. we spent about 10 mins tonight on one run kiting a part of the zerg around and killed about 20 people with 5, was awesome fun.

even the scenarios seem like a more viable option now since it's not only serpent's that pops but you get some variety.

all in all i'm happy i started playing again. obviously i'm lucky that i walked into a group of active and dedicated players and i appreciate it's not like that for everyone, but i think this game does have hope. no, it's not daoc and it never will be but frankly i don't miss it any more. go back and play daoc on freeshards now (as i did throughout december) and at least for me it just isn't as great as i remember it to be. times change.

 

[HerculesPluto]

our guild just moved to Azgal and its much better there, lots of ppl around, lots of action in every region it seems, my only problem is my gimped maruader, i feel like a paladin in rvr again, ie pretty much useless and unable to do any proper dmg, but without the armour or buffs!!

is monstrosity pointless now? should i goto the single target dmg/dot mutation?

 

[Sharkith]

you either solo permanantly, or dont, cant change your stance as it suits you

Thats just intolerance.

Most people have a solo character and a group/zerg character. Why wouldn't you want to play the game in many different ways?

I don't get why people want to force everyone into a box all the time. Who cares? People like to do many different things - so whats the problem?

 

[Aada]

I played again for about 4 weeks up until last Monday then i found i hadn't got the urge to log in anymore.

PVE is very boring nobody groups unless it's a PQ but even now people are avoiding these due to the crappy contribution system.

The experience rewards in PVE are vastly inferior to PVP scenario grinding which really is the only way to decently level in this game.

The RVR patch was great but people have quickly released that winning any sort of loot from the Keep Lord is next to impossible if you aren't a certain class so they are also going back to the scenarios.

But hey i would advise a resub it can't really hurt.

 

[Faeldawn]

I played again for about 4 weeks up until last Monday then i found i hadn't got the urge to log in anymore.

PVE is very boring nobody groups unless it's a PQ but even now people are avoiding these due to the crappy contribution system.

The experience rewards in PVE are vastly inferior to PVP scenario grinding which really is the only way to decently level in this game.

The RVR patch was great but people have quickly released that winning any sort of loot from the Keep Lord is next to impossible if you aren't a certain class so they are also going back to the scenarios.

But hey i would advise a resub it can't really hurt.

Honestly i don't pve at all on Karak Hirn, theres too much orvr around and rightly said, the pve rewards are naff.

Keep-take contribution has nothing to do with class, it is broken and there seems to be no logic to it.

I zoned into Avelorn two days ago, joined a warband, walked to the keep, doors were down and the WB was on the lord, wandered up the stairs, smacked the lord a few times and got top contribution.

I have also got top from healing the ram and a few players.

Certainly on Hirn the orvr is buzzing in all tiers, usually i hang in T3 which is great fun. Had a blast last night in T1, lots of funky skirmishes in Nordland then did all three scenarios (Nordenwatch twice, the others once each) and logged at level 9 rr 9.

 

[Boggy]

I admire the way the devs are responding to feedback and trying to improve the game, but somehow at the moment it all adds up to a yawn-a-thon grindfest.

PQs pan out as solo inf grinding with bugger all chance of a group.

PvE is fed-ex quest grinding with very little character to the stories.

ORvR is BO/Keep grinding and for some reason (I don't understand this at all) it's getting steadily harder to actually face another player. Warbands hop from undefended objective to another, and re-zone at the first sign of enemy players.

Scens have always been grinding, I suppose. They are fun if you like that kind of thing. Or they would be if it wasn't for the fact almost every scenario gets closed down early after half the players leave.


What this game needs is some depth and sophistication. Quests should have better, more complex stories and NPCs. RvR should have a larger variety of contiguous tactical objectives so that people can actually play at war in WAR.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

I have to say they've fixed a number of problems and the game is improving greatly overall.

However, the endgame, oh the endgame. Not exciting, not interesting, just a grind for minimal reward-advancement. I could live with the pve dungeon grind if the endgame was fun, but the endgame has turned out to be just another timesink.

I've played on 4 different classes that are all RR39. I've done every way of play the game has to offer; solo, warband, zerg, renown train, scenario, small group, full group. I could go into the reasons why each is just another grind but many others have discussed those reasons in-depth previously.

My subs are up in 3 days - i've decided to take a few months out until they actually add some depth, sublety and variety to the endgame. I'll keep an eye on the patch notes and hope it improves.