Impressed £67.5 billion... nope... 263 billion, and rising.

[Embattle]

Face - palm

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[Embattle]

Energy prices are generally likely to continue increasing:

BBC Radio 5 Live - 5 Live In Short, Martin Lewis: How to save on your energy bills

Martin Lewis says you can save money on your energy bill this winter by switching now.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-57519392

 

[Raven]

Grant agreed for first Dorset hydrogen fuel plant

Councillors vote to give £1.5m to the project proposed by Canford Renewable Energy.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-57519392

Two things about that (sorry to be negative but...):

1) Offshore wind is subsidy free but we're still subsidising coal and gas.
2) Companies are paying the government for access to the seabed - but 25% of that fee goes straight to the queen. The fucking thieving skank.

 

[Raven]

Also

Formula 1 boss Ross Brawn says hydrogen could be future fuel

Hydrogen-powered cars could be the future of Formula 1 according to Ross Brawn, the F1 managing director for motorsports.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

For lots of areas Hydrogen is probably the future like shipping.

 

[Raven]

It will replace EV within 20 years and all this digging out super rare minerals and all the pollution that creates will be an embarrassing side history.

 

[Scouse]

It will replace EV within 20 years and all this digging out super rare minerals and all the pollution that creates will be an embarrassing side history.

If we can get CO2 down in the meantime then worth it. And we can recover the minerals and metals from the battery.

 

[Embattle]

If we can get CO2 down in the meantime then worth it. And we can recover the minerals and metals from the battery.

Plus the generation of Hydrogen will have to be focused on areas where batteries aren't suitable for quite some time since the hydrogen really needs to be green.

 

[Raven]

If we can get CO2 down in the meantime then worth it. And we can recover the minerals and metals from the battery.

You can't repair the rivers and landscape though.

 

[Embattle]

You can't repair the rivers and landscape though.

Technically you can but they probably won't.

 

[Scouse]

You can't repair the rivers and landscape though.

I'm not playing down the effects of mining. But they're generally localised effects - the greater threat is the global one and we must take a wholistic approach.

At the same time - we can minimise the effects of mining using best practice. (Though whether the chinese do that will be debatable). But in terms of the earth's surface disrupted it's a no-brainer.

 

[Raven]

Poisoned rivers dumping shit all over the place is not localised.

 

[Scouse]

Poisoned rivers dumping shit all over the place is not localised.

It's *more* localised than a gas that spreads across the globe Raven.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very much against mining spill. It's something we can do something about though. But global transportation not only produces CO2 but has a massive health effects through particulate emissions alongside the localised pollution there.

Transportation > Mining in terms of environmental degradation.

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Q7nAYjAJY

 

[Scouse]

Obviously much better, but I wonder what will happen when we just pump water vapour into the atmosphere on an industrial scale.

 

[Embattle]

Obviously much better, but I wonder what will happen when we just pump water vapour into the atmosphere on an industrial scale.

I don't know, but I'm not expecting much of a negative at the volumes that would be produced other than perhaps some more rain

 

[Raven]

According to analysis, they have agreed with everyone with an IQ in double digits.

Farm pesticides killing more bees - study

Commercial formulas containing multiple chemicals should require their own licences, researchers say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Also, stop destroying everything for new housing. Cap births to 2 per family, stop all immigration, except for the sciences.

 

[Embattle]

I'm in favour of banning people having second homes.

 

[Raven]

Far too little, far too late. Humanity is doomed at this point, just glad I will be dead before it happens, and I am not inflicting this on any offspring.

Climate change: Five things we have learned from the IPCC report

What are the key takeaways from the IPCC new study on the science of climate change?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

Cue whinging about the rain

Climate change: July world's hottest month ever recorded - US agency

US scientists say July's land and ocean temperature was 0.93C (1.68F) above the 20th Century average.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

Cue whinging about the rain

Climate change: July world's hottest month ever recorded - US agency

US scientists say July's land and ocean temperature was 0.93C (1.68F) above the 20th Century average.

www.bbc.co.uk

I did see that and thought that technically the headline isn't true, it should of said hottest month ever recorded

 

[Embattle]

EU’s clean hydrogen plan raises dirty doubts

Methane leaks from non-renewable hydrogen could pollute more than coal and natural gas.

www.politico.eu

 

[Scouse]

Looks like Hydrogen is the functional method for governments to keep subsidies for oil companies whilst pretending that we're doing something about global warming.

The EU was getting panned for it - but we're the same.

Government reveals plans for £4bn hydrogen investment by 2030

Low-carbon hydrogen economy could also create thousands of jobs

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

I don't in essence have problem with either doing so as long as it is only a transition phase since it might be required to cover the gaps, my problem becomes when they've invested so heavily in blue hydrogen will they be so inclined to shift to green hydrogen.

 

[Raven]

Hydrogen is the natural choice for energy storage from renewable sources. We don't need horrible batteries, with their offensively and exponentially polluting component sources.

The only people really pushing batteries hard are Musk and the mining industry, we will have to carve up our seabeds and the arctic to feed batteries for all.

I really don't know where the issue is.

 

[Embattle]

Hydrogen is the natural choice for energy storage from renewable sources. We don't need horrible batteries, with their offensively polluting component sources.

I really don't know where the issue is.

Well Blue Hydrogen isn't clean:

UK plan to replace fossil gas with blue hydrogen ‘may backfire’

Academics warn ‘fugitive’ emissions from producing hydrogen could be 20% worse for climate than using gas

www.theguardian.com

I don't mind it as a stop gap to fill some of the void since it makes it more likely that it'll mean investment hydrogen products.

 

[Scouse]

I really don't know where the issue is.

The issue is blue hydrogen is 20% worse for the environment than continuing to burn natural gas.

We need to stop burning natural gas. So burning something worse isn't better.

Pretty obvious.

 

[Scouse]

I think the issue for domestic heating and cooking is we need our governments to wean us off the idea of burning things.

Electricity for heating and cooking. Job done.