Impressed £67.5 billion... nope... 263 billion, and rising.

[Job]

So we MIGHT get colder now, after years of selling the story its going to warm up and mosquitos in London ; grapes in Norfolk..water shortages and everything....theyve had another look, realised its pretty fucking complicated and realised we " COULD, who knows, go colder in Europe.
Start planning now eh?
For what?

Nasa warns temperatures in Europe could plunge if Arctic warming causes major ocean current to reverse

 

[caLLous]

Never mind the article, did you even get to the end of the headline?

 

[Job]

Well lol

EU accused of climate crisis hypocrisy after backing 32 gas projects

 

[Scouse]

No coal for more than 18 days!

I really like the phasing-out graph.

 

[Job]

Lets not build a carbon free future, we can just pretend we have one all ready.

UN chief: don’t use taxpayer cash to rescue carbon-intensive industries

 

[Job]

Has anyone watched.


View: https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE


Michael Mores attack on the green industry

 

[Wij]

Has anyone watched.


View: https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE


Michael Mores attack on the green industry

View: https://twitter.com/mark_lynas/status/1256965750763503620

 

[Job]

I have skipped through it.

Lots of truths, but a lot of scary music and hard to context claims.
Its like the opposite of Inconvenient Truth.

Certainly so much of biomass being full trees is concerning ..mixed with everyone supporting alternatives going very quiet about it.
Of course Michael Moore is mr environmentalist..so its going to be hard to ignore.

 

[Job]

Yeah..that facebook review is good, but the hard truths still remain that solar and wind arent going to take over anything without a huge quantam leap in storage.

Ive always seen Moore as the Jeremy Kyle of film makers, the shocking thing is who hes turned on.
The right are having a day in the fields.

 

[Job]

This classic is in it.



View: https://streamable.com/tfysce

 

[Job]

Nice realistic opinion piece in the Guard.

Let's stop romanticising nature. So much of our life depends on defying it

 

[Scouse]

Nice realistic opinion piece in the Guard.

Let's stop romanticising nature. So much of our life depends on defying it

Another guy having a veiled pop at the rich and capitalism.

Didn't know you felt that way @Job. Although why you feel the need to post it in a thread about energy nobody can fathom.

 

[Job]

Hmmmm..all that exercising maybe?

Global carbon dioxide levels at record high despite coronavirus lockdown

 

[Scouse]

Hmmmm..all that exercising maybe?

Global carbon dioxide levels at record high despite coronavirus lockdown

No. Simple maths. We're still adding, just at a slightly slower rate.

Obviously.

 

[Embattle]

Hmmmm..all that exercising maybe?

Global carbon dioxide levels at record high despite coronavirus lockdown

Carbon dioxide has a time lag, thus even if we stop producing all CO2 it would still increase.

 

[Scouse]

I don't understand that @Embattle? If we stop producing we stop producing. (Unless there's a measurement lag).

It's either in the atmosphere or not. If all emissions sources were immediately shut down then the raise would stop.

 

[Embattle]

*increase temperatures.

 

[Scouse]

*increase temperatures.

Yeah. Temperature increases have a lag. Same way it takes a while for your bed to warm up under a duvet.

 

[Job]

Mysterious.

I'll take that as worked once in a lab.


Form Energy claims aqueous air battery provides 150 hours of storage

 

[Embattle]

Energy storage development is getting considerable investment at the moment, another example from last year - How liquid air could help keep the lights on

 

[Embattle]

How renewable energy could power Britain's economic recovery

 

[Scouse]

I'd guessed right about who'd facepalmed you @Embattle.

@Bodhi - seriously - two questions:

1) what's your objection in principle to the above argument?

2) What do you think we should be doing instead?

 

[Embattle]

To me it seems quite a logical argument, we will get there in the end any way but it would be nice to see a ramp up in investment.

 

[Scouse]

Aye. I also think it's a sensible move. What, with permafires burning in the arctic circle now

(That article is from last year, but the snow over winter, and subsequent melt, wasn't enough to put the fire out and it's raging again this year - lookup "zombie fire arctic"...).

What's funny is, just like coronavirus, as the scientist says: "these are all the things we have been predicting for decades".

I guess, like coronavirus, it'll be the scientists' fault for not giving a proper warning. I presume the IPCC will get de-funded by the next Trump, a bit like the WHO - even though they've been saying "look out! this is really fucking serious" for a long long time - and scientists have been on about it since the end of the second world war.

 

[Embattle]

Analysis: Great Britain hits coal-free electricity record amid coronavirus lockdown

 

[Job]

Its not really an accomplishment any more than the UK probably had the lowest amount of Sierra 1.6ls on the road this year

 

[Scouse]

Concerning that we get 1% of our 'leccy from biomass.

But the rest of it is good news story.

 

[Job]

Nuclear Reactors in United States | invests 170m

 

[Scouse]

Tiny amount of cash to try to develop a technology that keeps promising is going to be cheaper and easier all the time, but never is.

 

[Bodhi]

I'd guessed right about who'd facepalmed you @Embattle.

@Bodhi - seriously - two questions:

1) what's your objection in principle to the above argument?

2) What do you think we should be doing instead?

Ignoring the fact it's an incredibly one sided puff piece from the Renewable Energy lobby, it's not really that intelligent to try and kick start a recovery by making electricity more expensive and applying carbon taxes to everything we make. You'd either have to be a particular kind of stupid, or have a vested interest for that to make sense.

The middle-class bien pensants who love this kind of stuff will probably cope - people on the breadline, not so much.

Personally I'd be looking at nuclear instead - carbon free, reliable, safe. That article you posted shows the secret to keeping costs down (build the same kind of reactor multiple times) - back it up with Gas and we have relaible, cheap energy - perfect for encouraging companies to move manufacturing from China back to the UK.