Impressed £67.5 billion... nope... 263 billion, and rising.

[Raven]

Except the power output is barely above the power and pollution input when making them... but that's fine because they are made in China and we can moan about their pollution.

 

[Job]

It all comes down to European directives..we are legally bound to have renewables at any cost...wind turbines dont really bother me as an eyesore..they are pretty easy to take down.

 

[Embattle]

The reality is we need to carry on developing renewables technology and we really need massive advancements in energy storage technology.

 

[Raven]

Absolutely but in the mean time there is no option but nuclear or fossil. Not without destroying what we are trying to save. Fossil will just exasperate the problem.

 

[Embattle]

Indeed and I've stated it many times that the other prong is continuing with nuclear for another generation.

 

[Job]

Another major prediction failure from the climate models..there is nothing wrong with adjusting theories to fit the actual evidence..but to use the theory to claim disaster is walking on thin ice..pun intended.
http://www.science20.com/news_artic...y_the_pacific_trade_winds_didnt_weaken-141836

 

[Raven]

Well it is pseudo science. It might well be analysed by peers but when the peers are hacks out for a quick grant too, science loses out.

 

[leggy]

energy storage needs to be more of a thing

Shit, if only someone had thought of this

While we're quickly banging out ultra large scale energy storage we should knock together a nuclear fusion reactor and a perpetual motion train (but we know what happens when the lower class rebels on one of those things!)

 

[Job]

I blame the whole thing on plants...goddam oxygen making bastards...ruined the atmosphere for those methane breathing algae...rip little green guys.

 

[TdC]

you could argue that plants killed more organisms than everything else in the history of the world!!!!

 

[Wij]

TED talk:

http://on.ted.com/MacKay

 

[Scouse]

Really liked that @Wij. Good find

Always thought biofuels were retarded. Just never visualised the scale. I'm a fan of massive offshore wind ramping up. And like I've been saying along - we need a pan-european project - the european supergrid - to get a shuft on.

Solar panel farms in the sahara twice the size of central london? Win-win. Clean energy for all of europe and increased albedo effects in the sahara hopefully reflecting a measurable proportion more sunlight back into space - lowering temperature.

I understand even better now why that bloke from the UN said he almost cried when he saw the speed at which we bailed out the banks when for half that he could have solared up the deserts and provided clean energy for all..

 

[Moriath]

Biofuels take more land than they replace. For food etc

 

[Job]

It's all right, my mate a few years ago had a heated argument over his perpetual motion machine he proposed of a motor charging a dynamo...when I pointed out friction loss he suggested a battery to overcome that.

 

[Wij]

http://euanmearns.com/wind-blowing-nowhere/

Having a large interconnect does NOT help with wind intermittency.

 

[Scouse]

http://euanmearns.com/wind-blowing-nowhere/

Having a large interconnect does NOT help with wind intermittency.

True. We need storage desparately - and solar's much more important than wind IMO anyway - especially for when we do get the interconnect.

Thing'd look better without the subsidies for fossil fuels tho IMO. IMF says effective subsidies for fossil fuels are around 5 trillion p/a. Although the conservative press are predictably attacking what they mean by subsidy...

 

[leggy]

Not just storage. A way to compensate for the massive reduction of inertia connected to the GB grid (I.e spinning mass connected to synchronous generators). Wind farms and other 'soft' electrical sources can't ride through quick changes in frequency.

 

[Moriath]

For that amount of money, we could build a unmanned space ship and send it into space and just dump the nuclear waste in space, or randomly destroy planets, that'd be fun.

Dont say that cause scouse will jump on your stupidity for not looking at the accident factor. And nuking ourselves in the same instance

 

[Moriath]

Staggering the amount of idiocy in this thread. I guess 67 billion in ongoing costs for a single site and no end in sight, or technical fix (because it doesn't exist) just doesn't deserve proper thought.

Sixty seven billion. It is actually the proverbial black hole for cash written large.

Years of many on this board saying that nuclear is cost effective. The government's "independent" advisor blows their last leg out from under them (because cost, not safety, is what they back their views up with) - and it becomes a "meh" issue.

67 billion - and another 67 billion because we don't know what to do with it - and maybe another 67 billion after that, and ...

:facepalm:



We have no expertise in nuke-tech. We need other countries to build our reactors for us.




Get this through your head people - we don't have a fix for this problem.

This shit stays radioactive and lethal for geologic timescales. Even IF we could find a deep geologic repository (which we can't) we could not guarantee it's long-term safety.

Who cares im only alive for another sixty years at the most. Fuck em

 

[Job]

We need wind turbines high up in the jet stream...tidal generators in estuarys...fuck the fish..they'll evolve, fission and giant space mirrors which every few years lose lock and send a death heat beam through the city.
All after WW3 of course which is on it's way in the next 50 yrs.

 

[old.user4556]

Seen this doing the rounds?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fukushima-...r-deformed-flowers-spotted-crash-site-1511845

Still waiting for some credible sources and additional detail, but take with large lumps of Daily Mail coated salt until this can be verified.

 

[Raven]

They are cool as fuck.

(But probably have nothing to do with radiation, just a random mutation)

 

[Wij]

Seen this doing the rounds?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fukushima-...r-deformed-flowers-spotted-crash-site-1511845

Still waiting for some credible sources and additional detail, but take with large lumps of Daily Mail coated salt until this can be verified.

Meh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciation#Causation

 

[Scouse]

Meh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasciation#Causation

Whilst I agree, I must point out that radiation is a mutagen. So if "Fasciation can also be caused by random genetic mutation" then those mutations are more likely to occur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
But yeah, still meh

 

[Scouse]

But Yay (or boo) China eh?

 

[Job]

It is beyond ridiculous how much money get's spent bailing out banks to keep bankers in Ferrari's, when they are moaning about a 20 billion project...to frickin solve the worlds energy crisis...goes over budget.
But that's humans...living the the Vi da Loca now is far more important than the fact that the garage is on fire.

You've got to hand it to George though, he managed to do this in the budget without anyone really being bothered...awesome.

'He has also slashed the energy efficiency budget, ended the tax break for clean cars, abolished rules on zero carbon housing, lowered taxes on polluting firms and introduced a tax on clean energy.'

 

[Job]

Area the size of Spain needed to power entire world with present solar technology, not bad really, just stick them where there are no freakin clouds...slight problem with Earth rotation, so you will need a Spain size area in four places, but still..it's do able.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/map-shows-solar-panels-to-power-the-earth-2015-9?r=US&IR=T

 

[Scouse]

I quite like that tbh. But in reality we'd need far far less than that.

 

[soze]

If it was easier to transport electricity a few massive solar farms in the middle of the Desert could solve everyone's problems.

I am surprised America has not got more on board with this. The Mojave Desert over 40k square miles and one of the driest places on earth.

 

[Wij]

The Only Green New Deals That Have Ever Worked Were Done With Nuclear, Not Renewables