Impressed £67.5 billion... nope... 263 billion, and rising.

[Job]

I do believe the entire thing was staged by a technician
who wanted to be the first with the 'your knob will fall off' joke

 

[Wij]

Don't think you can supplement wind with biomass and still be green either

http://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/2013/chain-of-destruction/

 

[Embattle]

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013...ssions-is-harder-when-youre-conserving-water/

 

[Embattle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24763311

 

[Job]

Oh and this is supposed to keep prices down?
They will hire swathes of pointless managers and staff then the taxpayer will make up the difference.

 

[Wij]

Lunatics.

 

[Scouse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24763311

Meh.

It seems the Swedish government thinks they can run German power companies profitably enough for them to spend Swedish taxpayers money and reaping the profits off the German taxpayers.

The Chinese and French governments are going to run our power companies at a healthy profit for them.

I can't see what the hoo-ha is about frankly. Public or private ownership - the taxpayers are ultimately paying - either through bills or subsidies or a bit of both.

 

[Wij]

Meh.

It seems the Swedish government thinks they can run German power companies profitably enough for them to spend Swedish taxpayers money and reaping the profits off the German taxpayers.

The Chinese and French governments are going to run our power companies at a healthy profit for them.

I can't see what the hoo-ha is about frankly. Public or private ownership - the taxpayers are ultimately paying - either through bills or subsidies or a bit of both.

That's true. Private companies have had an easy run on previous public investment. Now there needs to be investment and it will get paid for by the public one way or another. unless it's coal or shale gas, prices have to rise to invest, whether that's in nuclear or renewabolox

 

[Wij]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a345b0-4473-11e3-95a9-3f15b5618ba8_story.html

 

[DaGaffer]

I'll just leave this right here...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/1...ave_humanity_say_global_warming_high_priests/

 

[Raven]

OMG

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/03/world/nuclear-energy-climate-change-scientists/

 

[Scouse]

Two additional postings of pretty much the same article Wij posted?


El Reg's cost argument is still bollocks however. Costs are equivalent at the moment so the bills are going up with or without nuclear.

 

[Raven]

Two additional postings of pretty much the same article Wij posted?


El Reg's cost argument is still bollocks however. Costs are equivalent at the moment so the bills are going up with or without nuclear.

I was taking the piss

 

[Wij]

Two additional postings of pretty much the same article Wij posted?


El Reg's cost argument is still bollocks however. Costs are equivalent at the moment so the bills are going up with or without nuclear.

No. Because wind is junk energy so the total costs for the system are much higher.

 

[Job]

One of the biggest issues for me is this fallacy of using high tech to save energy, it 's nearly always complete bolaks.
They just use up tons more energy and resources in their making and are a nightmare to get rid off when they wear out at a much faster rate.
My experience is gas boilers and all this energy rating malarkey, they have turned boilers into a freakin computerised nightmare, they literally only last 5 years now without breaking down and now have large PCB's, power hungry fans and lots of people now fit electric heaters in the condense to stop it freezing.
There seems to be no effort to make them simple, reliable and inherently efficient, they are using an ever decreasing return of technical tricks to obtain a false sense of 'greenness'.
It really does seem that an awful lot of interested parties are influencing the end product.

 

[Scouse]

If you've a subscription to New Scientist you can read the whole of this article instead of just the beginning.

Or you can find it from the usual *ahem* sources

Either way - it's another article that starts of stating the problem, then gives us "possible future solutions", that don't exist...

 

[rynnor]

This is an issue for windpower - in the bitterest coldest UK conditions theres generally very little wind - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24810332

 

[Scouse]

This is an issue for windpower - in the bitterest coldest UK conditions theres generally very little wind - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24810332

Bit of an own goal there rynnor. Did you watch the whole thing?

 

[rynnor]

Bit of an own goal there rynnor. Did you watch the whole thing?

Nah - I saw it on the beeb this morning - not sure how a weathermans opinion trumps the scientific study tho eh - perhaps he's invested in renewables?

 

[Scouse]

not sure how a weathermans opinion trumps the scientific study tho eh

The scientific study is one bloke who says we're likely to get to a maunder minimum soon because of his study of solar activity in ice cores. (So, not really relevant to wind patterns - considering the weatherman said that it's always going to be windy because we're an island (which discounts the pan-european solution that's coming anyway).

The only other person in that is a climate-change doubter who hates wind farms.

Finally - the title of the article is "Cold winter weather warning could help wind campaigners"...

 

[Bodhi]

This is an issue for windpower - in the bitterest coldest UK conditions theres generally very little wind - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24810332

There's a bigger issue with Wind Power.....it's fucking useless. There was a reason we invented the steam engine - the wind couldn't provide us enough power reliably so steam power was invented, and we became THE global superpower.
Sadly our friends of the watermelon persuasion would happily erase the last 200 years of progress and have us all living.in caves. I'm glad people are listening to their drivel less and less these days....

 

[Job]

And good luck getting more than 10 watts from your solar panel till June next year.

 

[Embattle]

I've said it before most green types of power need a lot more development as do the supporting systems, a revolution is required in power storage systems so they can hold vast amounts of energy so it can collected in the good times and be used in the bad times. To me I would like to see a vast increase in solar panel/tiles used on houses but at the moment the technology needs many more evolutions to become really viable, thus again it is something for the future and that is a fact facing most green energy systems.

 

[rynnor]

The scientific study is one bloke who says we're likely to get to a maunder minimum soon because of his study of solar activity in ice cores. (So, not really relevant to wind patterns - considering the weatherman said that it's always going to be windy because we're an island (which discounts the pan-european solution that's coming anyway).

The only other person in that is a climate-change doubter who hates wind farms.

Finally - the title of the article is "Cold winter weather warning could help wind campaigners"...

He said when its coldest theres basically no wind - winds come from the warmer air fronts coming off the atlantic but the real nasty european winter freezes are when that breaks down.

The weatherman didnt mention the study but just gave his opinion that we need wind power.

We may be approaching a maunder minimum type event but the global warming people have tried to whitewash out the maunder minimums cool period

 

[rynnor]

One of the biggest issues for me is this fallacy of using high tech to save energy, it 's nearly always complete bolaks.
They just use up tons more energy and resources in their making and are a nightmare to get rid off when they wear out at a much faster rate.
My experience is gas boilers and all this energy rating malarkey, they have turned boilers into a freakin computerised nightmare, they literally only last 5 years now without breaking down and now have large PCB's, power hungry fans and lots of people now fit electric heaters in the condense to stop it freezing.
There seems to be no effort to make them simple, reliable and inherently efficient, they are using an ever decreasing return of technical tricks to obtain a false sense of 'greenness'.
It really does seem that an awful lot of interested parties are influencing the end product.

I meant to reply to this the other day - you are dead right tbh - you see it in lots of areas like cars for example.

Modern diesel engines pump out far less CO2 but have completely sacrificed the sturdiness and longevity - your lucky if a VW makes it through the warranty period and beyond that its basically on borrowed time.

 

[Raven]

Better for the environment to drive round in an old banger for 10 years than buy a electric car, which wont last 10 years before the massive fuck off rare metal battery needs to be sourced again.

 

[Scouse]

Japan has asked for international help with cleaning up Fukushima.

The United States is holding a gun to its head to cover it's own ass first.

 

[TdC]

I've been reading some *really* cool stuff about smart grids. Also, I have been reading a tremendous amount of THB* screeching about how smart grids are some kind of global conspiracy. Anyone care to comment?



*Tinfoil Hat Brigade

 

[Raven]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24844182

 

[Scouse]

I've been reading some *really* cool stuff about smart grids. Also, I have been reading a tremendous amount of THB* screeching about how smart grids are some kind of global conspiracy. Anyone care to comment?

Smart grids are cool

I laughed my arse off the other day at an article that said that "smart meters" can cause death!