Yes, I'm an infil

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iziz

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Greetings,

Having taken a nightshade to lvl 50 on excalibur I know all about the problems that the assassin classes have with leveling. I'd secretly kinda hoped that it might have changed over time but having had to pretty much solo lvls 36-38 because of 'group politics' I've realised it hasn't.

I would like to ask of the DAoC community two simple requests with regards to grouping:

1) Please don't just blatently ignore people if they ask for a group. A simple 'no' doesn't take much effort, it wastes a lot less time, and it doesn't make the person asking half as disheartened as ignoring them does.

2) Please don't lie about groups. Flagging for people is a general indication that you're looking for group members. As a stealther I generally can stand about 2ft away from you and watch you invite more group friendly classes that ask you after you tell me that the group is full. If you don't want to group with infils say, I know I won't bother you in the future.

I apologise for the whine. I'd just appreciate a little more common curtesy :(
 
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old.Sko

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lol, i actually soloed 48-50, save for 2.5 bubles got from epics.
And dont feel that it was that hard. Slow yes, took some time but it was not that bad as you would think it is.
And 36-38 are pain in the arse - you're too high for gobos and too low for tangs. Though message me ingame prolly i`ll have some help to offer.
 
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Wicoa

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For groups try a few things.

Chat to people you know and have grown up with in the game. If you have a circle of friends they will be honest with you and will probably be eager to team up with you.

Another good way is to start you're own groups. People can be very lazy in this game, so if you do the ground work and start something up you will soon have a queue of people knocking at you're door. This will also increase you're circle of friends, when people log in they will message you cause you will nearly always be up to something.

Be pro-active, it can be a pain but if you do the ground work and overcome set backs you will do fine :).

I wish you luck and I know you're pain all too well.
 
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iziz

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Originally posted by Meatballs
Hiya warshade ;)
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Hello!
I have no idea who you are but hello anyway! :D

]Originally posted by Old.Sko
lol, i actually soloed 48-50, save for 2.5 bubles got from epics.
And dont feel that it was that hard. Slow yes, took some time but it was not that bad as you would think it is.
And 36-38 are pain in the arse - you're too high for gobos and too low for tangs. Though message me ingame prolly i`ll have some help to offer.
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Yes I know that it just takes time to solo and it's not hard. I've done it all before with a nightshade on excalibur. I actually dinged 50 there by helping a group of lvl 30-35 people who'd lost their tank in the pit in corus mines.

XP ruins this game imo. It brings out the worst in people. People who I grouped with between lvls 15-20 who considered me a friend then, when they were 5 lvls lower than me, won't even give me the time of day now that they're 1-2 lvls higher, let alone invite me to a group.

This was never a "please group me coz I'm an infil" thread. This time around I knew that I would be soloing a lot and I accepted that. This is a "please stop letting the anonymity of the internet make you act like an idiot" thread. If you don't want to group with me, fine. But if you can't show a little curtesy by taking a few seconds to respond (and respond truthfully) to me... well... screw you! :p
 
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iziz

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oh Meatballs! Thorn! :D
yeah RvR groups don't count, coz I get people loads of RPs at those keeps rather than the other way around (went from RR1.2 to 1.6 solo today during a keep raid at crim... not bad considering everyone is purple to me) :p
 
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Garnet

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Hi Warshade!!

BTW how your friar coming on?

The worst thing that pisses me off is where you are close to lvl up and someone else lvls up and then says he has to go :(

Yep all stealthers suffer this fate... My hunter is still 26 and i have more or less given up on him as he cant get groups....
 
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Addlcove

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Warshade any day, you played tih my roomie Myrkul and he says you know your buisness, so throw a PM to Rharcyn if she´s on and I´ll get you a spot if one is available...


btw myrk told me to ask you

"/send Warshade you need a guild?" :p
 
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old.windforce

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people who dont want to group with infiltrators and scouts are kinda stupid

fact:
-infiltrators outdamage tanks by far. Of course you need a tank for protect on healer / nuker but a infiltrator is NOT a burden for the group
-proper specced scouts are blocking machines in melee and slow nukers in ranged combat. Again not a burden for the group

I get very angry when ppl act like "we dont need a gimp" and left groups for it. A good player in a "bad" PvE class is worth ten times more then a bad player who dn't know his job.

Grouping sucks since a lot of people don't understand the game.
 
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DocWolfe

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tbh theres alot of power gaming noobs, I've been playing since start of beta, got 2 chars a lvl 45 scout and a lvl 41 arms, still neither of them are 50. Theres level 50s around now that didn't arrive tilll months after the release.
 
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old.mattshanes

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Originally posted by old.windforce
people who dont want to group with infiltrators and scouts are kinda stupid

fact:
-infiltrators outdamage tanks by far. Of course you need a tank for protect on healer / nuker but a infiltrator is NOT a burden for the group
-proper specced scouts are blocking machines in melee and slow nukers in ranged combat. Again not a burden for the group

I get very angry when ppl act like "we dont need a gimp" and left groups for it. A good player in a "bad" PvE class is worth ten times more then a bad player who dn't know his job.

Grouping sucks since a lot of people don't understand the game.
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I agree infs are a good class but they dont out damage tanks(well maybe palas) often they are fast with weapons which makes them good but when stealthed their damage does loads.Only thing is albion has half the dam realm with infiltrators which is annoying.
 
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old.Krusha

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The main reason i Joined Assassins of Albion (a infi/scout only guild) was to be able to find grps in guild, now it has worked from time to time when weäve had enough ppl online at the same time to form a grp. But our numbers grow steadily. But i had some trouble in the beginning getting grps, but usually they would say "No" and just not utter silence... (And the same people who refuse Stealthers are the same that screams for archer/caster killing on keep takes later on.... go figure.. )

Other than that i grp with ppl ive met on the way, just dig in and go full our and show that you can be an asset to the dmg output already at low lvls, when its easy to regain xp ;), and NEVER whine about you dying or getting beat on (i hate when tanks are at 30-40% and start spamming HEAL ME HEAL ME!!... wuss ;)).

Not as ive seen some Infi's do.. using positional styles that would fail (pincer from the front/back)to make them look like they are doing styles but do far less dmg for not getting aggro (i asked the person what he was doing and he said the above).

And a infi with two fast weapons can peel better than a tank can, so my grp tactics is stealth PA the baf that breaks for the casters or healer, if that doesnt happen i go for the ones at the front but with an eye on any runners to the suppoirt and peel them.

Anyway i think i strayed from the topic and probably telling you all what you already know and im sorry for that ;).
 
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old.windforce

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true that there a lot of infiltrators these days

which is good for albion

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old.mattshanes

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Nope it isnt the more unbalanced the realm becomes the more weaker it gets soon we will have no healers the way its going.
 
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old.Krusha

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Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Nope it isnt the more unbalanced the realm becomes the more weaker it gets soon we will have no healers the way its going.
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Infi's are TEH ULTIMATRE POWAH!!!!1!!11

sreiuosly.. imagine all the infi's that are around today reach 50 and just go around the freontiers and Ninja take keeps!! And cut ppls head off.. bacause thats what they do :).
 
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old.Jadow

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Originally posted by old.mattshanes


I agree infs are a good class but they dont out damage tanks(well maybe palas) often they are fast with weapons which makes them good but when stealthed their damage does loads.Only thing is albion has half the dam realm with infiltrators which is annoying.
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A decent inf can outdamage any tank very easily. One thing that most infs don't bother with in PvE is poisons. Trust me, if you want a group to love you, use your debuffs and DoT. It turns a very difficult encounter into a fairly standard and managable fight.

That said, yes, there's far too many infs now. Another reason I left really. Wish they'd all become cabalists or something :D
 
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old.Sko

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Currently mids have 33 level 50 SBs out of 375 characters (9%)
Albion contains 19 level 50 infiltrators out of 322 (6%)
Hibernia contains 9 level 50 shades out of 175 characters (5%).


Mids have 19 45-49 SBs
Albs have 20 45-49 infiltrators
Hibs have 4 45-49 shades


Total numbers of assasins 25+ (i.e. non thidranki characters)

Mids - 167 out of 1901 (9%)
Albs - 151 out of 1864 (8% )
Hibs - 81 out of 997 (8%)


So basically in percentage populations of assasins is equal in all realms, though we outnumbered 2-1 if we're taking only level 50s in account.
I believe that things will even out since people which rolled assasins not for the thrill of the hunt, but for owning everyone will find out that they'll would be better off with caster class.
 
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old.mattshanes

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Ok then do this tonight search every class in alb and see the results you get.
 
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old.Sko

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Hmm it probably will be interesting statistics:

So here's a peak at level 50 population:

55 armsmen - 17%
52 paladins - 16%
8 mercenaries - 2%
15 scouts - 5%
19 infiltrators - 6%
31 minstrels - 10%
6 cabalists - 2%
30 wizards - 9%
24 theurgists - 7%
17 sorcs - 5%
60 clerics - 19%
5 friars - 2%

Judging for it i can conclude that cabalist population is out of hand, since class which is best at disabling ranged attackers is severly underplayed.
 
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Generic Poster

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Need more Cabalists, but who will group them? :/


Most infils won't get past lv40, so don't worry about those lv5 gimps running around asking for GoOd BuFfs.



Again, the problem is with the people who play the game. Everyone wants their realm to 'win', but only a minority are prepared to group PvE-gimped classes.


Your average powerleveller will be a cleric who will tell you: STFU!!1!! I had to wait 10 bastard hours for grove nymph group, everyone has to suffer XP treadmill to get good group.
 
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old.mattshanes

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I don't mean lv50s because they are mainly old players such as myself when there was more of a balanced realm around in those times but if you search now you watch the results:rolleyes:
 
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Gabrial

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Ive grouped with all sorts of players before - a balanced group containing elements of everything can be real good (even classes people dont normally want).

Infiltrators can do UBER damage from the outset if the puller lures the mob over them while stealthed. In fact, me(my cleric) and a similar level infiltrator were taking out orange/red fiends in DF pretty much non-stop with me needing to do nrly no heals and only a quick smite to pull!

My ranger on hib could do excellent dmg with his bow so I guess the scouts here are the same? Bit like a wizard using nukes I imagine.

I got an infiltrator aswell and I had lots of problems getting groups - much of my gaining was done with the help of Zaodus and his techno-coloured Earth Buffs!

And like others have said, come RvR, these classes are in great demand but many infs I imagine may not want to fill the forward observer role or stay back guarding casters from enemy stealthers if they've had a raw deal getting there PvE
 
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old.mattshanes

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People don't realise any class can be good in rvr it depends on the player,infs mainly go for casters and archers but when they in a group or so its tough thats when a tank comes in handy for rvr since they take a beating and hit good.

ANY CLASS CAN DO GREAT DAMAGE!if people say a certain one can't they talking shit.

Just wish people would be more creative in their selection of characters in their accounts.

If you look at my sig notice how all my characters are completely different thats why i am still having fun in the game.
 
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old.Krusha

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i agree woth Generic on that the infi population will sort itself out as they get up in the lvls... the BG (well thidranki anyway.. rest is empty) is saturated by stealthers from all realms (not so many from hib what ive seen) but past 24 there is already a noticeable decrease in infi's. At 30+ even less (still quite afew tho ;)) but the number will go down and in the end it wont be as many as the number of started infis (again there will be alot of infi's).

But with 2.5 spec points and very good class abilities (Dragonfang anyone?), who can blame everyone and their granny's for rolling an inf? I tried an arsman and a caster, but as i already have a lvl 50 warrior i couldnt be arsed to lvl another tank (booooring) and the caster didnt work with my tank mentality, to many times i died because i tried to slug it out. So i rolled a Infi, can deal dmg (not as hard as a tank, but poisons evens that out a bit) and take dmg (as in not getting hit as much...) so it works for me.

But each to his own i guess.....
 
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old.Sko

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So, we have
554 characters of 41-49 level range.

88 armsman - 15% ( 17% in "oldschool generation")
75 paladins - 14% (16%)
24 mercs - 4% (2%)
46 scouts - 8% (5%)
39 infiltrators - 7% (6%)
48 minstrels - 9% (10%)
6 cabalists - 1% (2%)
43 wizards - 8% (9%)
42 theurgists - 8% (7%)
17 sorcs - 3%( 5%)
106 clerics - 19% (19%)
20 friars - 3% (2%)

So the conclusion is:
Amount of healers is pretty stable and even growing ( friars got additional percent of population)
Pure tanks are on decline, though still hold a good percent of population.
Theurgists (Mattshanes :p ) are growing in numbers stealing percent of caster population from wizzies.
Rogues are on rise, though surprisingly major growth is in scout department (3%). Minstrels are declining, probably due to the see hidden introduced in the patch.
Mercenaries (Mattshanes :p) share a good bit of success with scouts and will gain a healthy 2% growth.
And what troubles realm is decline of cabalists and sorcs - 1% and 2% declines respectivly.
 
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