Yes, Bard spec again ;)

[Chameleon]

Although I'm very tempted to go to 47/43/16 template, I'd really like to be a better healer than 16 (even with +stats) would allow me to be. Obviously I have to drop some points in another line ........ speed 5 has got to be essential imho, cause others will have high speed buffs and the group would simply get run down all the time ..... sssssssoooooooo, this leaves reducing music ...

as mezz is not what it used to be in rvr anyway, due to resists etc, I was considering the following:

43 Nurture (speed 5)
33 Regrowth (nice 307 major heal and another group heal)
37 Music (5 second lower insta mez, 9 sec lower cast mez)

I'd appreciate thoughts however on what I may have overlooked with this spec.

Thanks

 

[old.Tzeentch]

what sort of healing power are you looking to have?

(just a general indication, at 50, like maybe 300+ per single target heal for example)

 

[Chameleon]

Well yes, with that spec and some +regrowth to help with variance, about 300 i think would be big improvement over 16+
Would you think that a benefit in your rvr group over the slightly longer mezz's?

 

[angrysquirrel]

43 nurt (need speed 5 or dont be a bard), 44 music, rest in regrowth. ignore insta mez, its a myth!! it will not save a groups ass in rvr and is for emergency use only, use the castable aoe mez, instas for the times when 8 albs come for you, get healing RA's, get AM....one decent heal on a tank and a longer lasting mez than the insta spammers makes the diff between winning and losing!

am i right or wrong? flame on !

 

[tenacious_d]

My suggestion is going for that

43 nurture
33 regrowth
37 music.

There is no reason to go higher than 37 music. You improve your ae mez with 7 sec or so and get the last DD.
Imo if you want to do damage play another class.

Personally I got the "standard" template
43, 16, 47 and Im not happy with it.
With people maxing resists the large insta ae mez can do more harm than good.
Get 2 lvls of wild healing and your rocking.
I would kill for a respec.

TenaciousD
50 bard Celtic fist

 

[old.Tzeentch]

No.. it is no longer simply that the second instant mezz provides simply a longer duration.

With spell resists (actual resist, not the resist stats like heat/cold etc) being based on the level of spell.. the instant mezz at 47 has the least chance to be resisted, followed by the cast mezz at 43.

also the radius increase from 37 instant to 47 instant, from 150=> 300 is a huge difference.

and yes, it will save a group in rvr, it all depends on your usage of it, and of course the circumstances.. personally, i would not respec out of it.. regardless of mezz being nerfed, molested, whatever, my class is the primary cc and speed class in my realm, and i must put the best in both of these to be effective in my primary class functions.

as for healing, i heal for .. 220-320+ usually, with the group heal, around 120+ on everyone.. i have not SC'ed yet so i have very little +regrowth compared to the stupidly abundant amounts of +music i have..

bards dont have much RAs they can get which are actually useful and value for points, so eventually i will look at wild healing... but healing is the druids job, and he is so much better at it...

the second you are spotted with a drum, you will be targetted.
you wont be healing much i believe.

 

[Maliz-]

Don't know what I'm doing wrong (must be alot), but I seldom have time to heal. Thats mainly due to those 3-4 tanks chasing me around while I'm on endsong and sprint :kissit:

I'm a 47/16/43 and I can heal good enough to make a diff if I have to. Would not have traded my aoe and instant mezzes for better heals.


... But then again. Thats just me..

 

[tenacious_d]

I do respect your experience Saadyst, you have been doing this alot more than I have.
In the end it comes down to preferences I guess.

You are not always able to get hold of that dr00d and at keep raids the groupheal would help alot.

I am most likely totally wrong about this, but are you sure that it isnt your level compared to the targets lvl that counts regarding mez?
Did quite alot of rvr before I got my large one and they stuck just fine.
Secondly my point about the large ae mez sometimes being a problem also have to do with something you bring up.
Going from 150 to 300 radius is alot, but the mez time is also reduced depending on your placement to the target, so with the new resists you will have very low mez time and immunity for quite some time.

Secondly I dont use insta THAT often, if we hit a mid group Ill use it in a sec if we aint got the surprise, but almost never uses it against albs. Lully and ae mez is enough

 

[Pempulla]

Of course, having regrowth at 16, even with capped +regrowth in items and RR10 (...) you wont be able to totally lose variance in the base line heal spells.

Still, it is probably true that in 1fg (you) vs 1fg/2fg/3fg (the enemy) of balanced RvR with balanced classes, the music 47 (regrowth 16) bard spec rules, due to the less resists in the mezzes and due to the fact that you also have a druid and a warden healing. This is probably the RP maxed RvR and probably the most fun too. Just a shame that 1fg vs 1fg RvR is kind of seldom.

In any other situ, e.g. zerg vs zerg, 2fg vs 1fg, keep defense, and last but not least (to very many) PvE the bard with the higher regrowth, e.g. 43N, 33 regrowth, 37 music IS the one that should be preferred over the regrowth 16 one. 400+ spec heals, stable 300+ base heals (possible to cap the whole base line heals), about 230 (?) grp heal do often make a difference (not to mention that wild healing will be a lot more useful on the bard that has higher regrowth=higher heals does come down to higher crit heals, simple as that).

 

[Lessurl]

I have got my bard to 46 and am currently sittin on 43N 37M 16R.
My lvl 50 spec is undecided as of yet as i have been unable to decide between 2 final specs (both mentioned in this post).

The mezzer spec, 43/47/16
Or the slightly more reg spec, 43/37/33.

I had originally gonna be definately aimin for the mezzer spec, but as i've played my bard a bit more (and the fact that i cba to play the bard rvr most of times now, would rather play my champ once he gets lvled a bit) i have noticed quite a few situations where i've been unhappy with the amount my heals were doing, infact sometimes in pve grps i get the feeling there isn't really a point me healin at all. In keep takes the baseline grp heal all too often isn't enough to keep peoples rapidly depletin health bars from gtaoe and archers etc. up. Situations like this i thank Mythic for AM but that can only be used once every 30 mins and i'm then not much use as a healer again till it's reset.
So that's when i started to consider the higher reg spec, means i'd get a nice single target heal and a decent grp heal. I also wouldn't be losing anything really as i've never had the higher mezzes and when i do get roped into rvring i do more than ok with the music spec i have (often cursin low reg as party members drop).
Plus the main factor in favour is that i mostly only end up playing my bard pve now to help on epics, go epic mob hunting etc. And in pve most every time u wont touch your music spec at all, so the reg spec is much better for me in that situation.

Well, anyway, it's up to your preferences. If u plan on just rvring with your bard then i'd definately recommend the mez spec, but if u plan on doing a lot of pve aswell then the higher reg spec may be more your cup of tea.

 

[Juanita]

I respecced to 43/37/33 and i never regretted it.

43/47/16 is equally good though.

 

[SingerOfSoul]

ive never had insta aoe mezz well the top one ne way...

my spec is very un- cookie cutter ive got
43nurture
18regrowth
15blades
44music

leaves 0 points left

 

[Kobold]

It's no dubt, I'd go for 47 music - 43 nuture - 16 regrowt

 

[Shrye]

My dips is on the 47/43/16 spec as well, no other class is capable of doing the bards job as good as you (the bard) are. Most of the time, you'll find yourself outnumbered, and you really need to buy all the time you can get, even if it means "only" 4 more seconds (due to nmy resists, etc), it's still alot of time in terms of RvR.

... and as for keep siege - I've managed fine with the 16regrowth, being more than sufficient to keep the guild nightshade alive when he's inside, taking out defenders

Insta isn't what it used to be (thank the gods for that), and as mentioned, it's mainly a defensive spell. However, it still remains a good offensive spell as well. For example, you're chasing an nmy and they'd get out of range if you stop up to try and ae cast mezz on them. Insta. Or, you rush down on AMG and insta the 1-2 groups there, who were so nice to be packed in a bunch. Insta. And then let your group pbaoes work ^^

Also, a final note: I believe it's in a forthcomming patch, where spell-lvl is compared versus nmy lvl, in terms of it being resisted.

 

[eneq]

WEll i have on my bard 43 nurture 42 Reg and rest music.

I heal for around 530 hp on major heal and can AoE mezz for 42 secs i think.

First of all this bard was/is ment for PL other alts i have so thast 1 reason to not have insta mezz. But i think having 47 in music just to get the insta mezz you use 1 in every 15 min (? 30 min?) is wasted points IMHO.

And with the mezz nerfing we got and getting its even less worth.


And i have time to heal in every fight...Maybe mainly that i can shake my attackers off me really easy. (just run into our PBAOE mages and they nuke them off you).


With regrowwth specced you can play you bard both in RvR and PvE.
With the 47 music you can basically b afk in DF raids etc etc.


But as some saying its all down to how you want to play your bard really...

 

[Chameleon]

Thanks for the replies all, it's been very helpful!
I have taken thoughts onboard and have decided to wait as long as possible (by leaving regrow at 16 for now), but will eventually either go for

43 Nurture
33 Regrowth
37 Music

or

43 Nurture
23 Regrowth
44 Music

they will mean losing either the last insta mez and cast mez, or in the case of the 2nd, just the last insta mez. I know mez is important and that a bard is all about CC, but as many have rightly said, it's about how you want to play and i feel that having 'almost' as good mez, but with the increased heals is the way i'd be happiest. I certainly had the best time of my daoc life in bg1 with my bard!! ... revelling in the challenge of running up to a group, lul, mez, end song, avoid stealthers, heal tanks and casters, speed out, rest, power up again, etc. Although bard lacks offensive ability for some, I LOVE having to do loads of things at once and knowing you made a big difference to whether your group won or lost. I'm sure as with my ns, big boys rvr will have differences, but I think I might be welcome by some in DL at level 40 to give it a bash to find out, then having the option to single line respec.

Thanks again, very useful

 

[tenacious_d]

just a small note.
Imo your gimping yourself with the 43, 23, 44 template.
Let me try to explain why.
If it so happens that resists are being calculated towards spell lvl, you ofcourse need the highest lvl spells you can get, therefore the 47 insta mez becomes essential.
Secondly I see the 44 music build as something in between, not bad but not good. The DD should not be in considerating when you spec, as I said earlier if you want to do damage make a nuker.
By going to 44 you also loose some regrowth. Bards has great group heals if they spec it, but by going to only 23 you wont get the next one at lvl 27.
Personally I think people need to realize that daoc characters really cant be that flexible in order to gain max efficiency.
Dont flame me flame mythic.
If you want to make a rvr bard then go for either the instabard or the mezbard not something in between.
Just as a small sidenote, the healerbard also mezzes just fine.
Dont waste points on weapons or something in between.

 

[eneq]

i agree with ten.
Why specc 44 music ? The insta nuke is every 15 or 10 secs and its only good for having a Deathmsg from time to time....
Everytime i c a bard getting killmsg i shrug really.

reg at 22 is to low if you really want to heal good in RvR.

at 37 music you get 2 insta mezzez (1 single and 1 AoE).

If you have regrowth at 2/3 of your lvl it heals fine i think.

So best to go with the

43 Nurture
33 Regrowth
37 Music

But again its your char to play