WTF is goin on??

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old.charliealpha

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Things have taken a very bad turn recently. I don't usually take part in all the crap that goes on between clans and leagues, I like be a roamer and play the game for what it is: a game. I'm not a good player by any standards compared to the likes of FED (DM) and SPKS (CTF) but I like think I have fun and enjoy a good runaround. Hence the reason why I play lithium. DM isn't shit. Its the basis for all q2 gameplay, the tactics, the RJ the comms etc. But Lithium has a hook and runes. "ooh wow" I hear u murmur. Well, until u play the damn thing for as long as any of the members of the UKLL have then I'm afraid u're talkin out yer ass. The mod rocks. Get a good clanbase together and get yer shit nailed down and theres nothing quite like it. Remember kids, this is just my opinion. Knocking a player out there air with a well placed rail whilst they're flyin across the arena in DM1 is ace. Actually mamaging to get to all the right items and getting tooled up and fraggin the git that has the strune is a major deal and is well respected when done. It takes a great deal of time and skill to get to any sort of playable level in lithium cos u got more than rj's and quad whoring to worry about.

This brings me onto a recent game between Agent and clan i. I'm a quiet member of i and was mortified to hear the result of one friendly that took place recently between the clans. From what I understand there was a DM league game between said 2 clans of Division5E in the UKCCL. I quote from K, leader of clan i and head of the UKLL: "

They were a true DM side, and beat us heavily on dm6, but we respected their performance, and were outclassed."

Fair enough. Now thats a good attitude to have. But what conspired next kind of destroyed all that.

The CCL game had been called off and Agent came into the channel and asked for a friendly. A server was setup and well, i'll quote again. From K:

"Bit of humming, but he agreed and I set up a server.

I'll be honest, I have NEVER in my year of playing q2, seen such a bunch of wankers in all my life. For a full 5 minutes, moan, whinge, "Lithium sucks", "Lithium is gay", "You Lithium llamas", "We 0wned you at DM, and we'll 0wn you at Lithium", "We aint playing this map (dm3), cause you'll only quad wh0re us", and this went on. And on. And on, until finally the game on dm3 began.

To put it mildly, I think we went about 50-3 up in the first 4 minutes, so what happened? More insults, more abuse, more slagging off.

I couldn't be arsed with this. I started playing in the online community for fun, a laugh, a joke, and now running this league hopefully gives others the chance to enjoy this too. But with such mindless idiots roaming the servers these days, it's starting to feel different."


Has the state of the community really got to this stage? I was supporting Durz in what he was saying about the whole BW thing that has transpired recently. All respect to BW for getting where they have. They've been here since day one and have (apart from Lithium) been the forefront for most of the big mods. hell, they even setup an Alliance Server for q3 when I asked for one. Shame it hasn't taken off as well as anticipated but thats another story.

Thing is, Durz is in Agency. I always had a picture of Durz being a stand up player who had respect for ALL players and mods out there. Same goes for Stu and marky. They don't know who the hell I am but I am fully aware of who's who. I've been playing this godforsaken game for over 2ys now. Check the CLQ for evidence, scores are crap but the history is there.

We really need to sirt all this shit out. Bring back the respect for clans. Stop the winging and start focusing on whatever its is about quake2 that u like, not what u dislike. Support the newbies, don't use bots and in the word of the immortal Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks: "Can't we all just get along?"

nuff said, sort it out.

ChArLiEaLpHa
(that weird bloke with the crap nick)

[This message has been edited by charliealpha (edited 16 May 2000).]
 
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Durzel

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It takes a great deal of time and skill to get to any sort of playable level in lithium cos u got more than rj's and quad whoring to worry about.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree. You can probably understand therefore that challenging a clan to a serious game using a mod that they've never before played on as a team (I haven't even played Lithium in FFA mode for months) is somewhat lame. You totally omitted to mention the fact that none of us wanted to play Lithium (probably explains some of the "Lithium is gay" comments), we had all joined the server expecting it to be changed to "proper" deathmatch.

Clan I are seasoned UKLL players, they know how to play Lithium - how to manage the techs, how to use the hook to good effect - we don't, yet this didn't stop you from totally ignoring our requests to play a "proper" game and instead spend 15 minutes kicking us all about. Gee that's fun.

I would actually say that is far more lame than any kind of prostestation (I should note I personally didn't say any of the comments you mentioned) - kinda like FED challenging some Action Quake 2 clan to a game on DM1 isnt it really..

Daz.
 
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old.K

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In reply to Durzel's post, Agent came into OUR channel, and asked US for a game. We didn't challenge Agent at all.

We were asked if we wanted a "friendly" game, and from what I seem to remember, there was nothing friendly about it.

Upon Poops asking us for a DM game, I said "We've already played you at your game, so how about you play us at ours for a laugh?"

He said ok after a minute or so, and I set up a server.

&lt;&lt;&lt; yet this didn't stop you from totally ignoring our requests to play a "proper" game and instead spend 15 minutes kicking us all about. &gt;&gt;&gt;

What do you mean by a "proper game"? You mean DM? Because like I say, this was agreed in IRC that we played Lithium....

As for requests, Agent didn't "request" a thing, we were shouted at, insulted, and generally bad-mouthed (and no I'm not saying you personally said any of this, cause I don't think you actually did).

Basically, the point of Charlie's post wasn't really about the way that Agent handled this "friendly", but more to the point of how some people just don't have any respect, 'cause I know that when Agent beat us at DM in the CCL, all of my guys said "gg, vwp Agent" at the end of it. That's respect for a true DM team, from a Lithium team.


However, we didn't get that.
 
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Durzel

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My apologies then - I had no idea we were "supposed" to be playing Lithium.. I joined the server, saw that we weren't playing TeamDM as I had been told, and left shortly afterwards. I've got no qualms about playing a new mod for a muckabout, but being pasted by 4 seasoned LPB pros isn't really my idea of fun, no offence.
 
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old.M

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"we don't, yet this didn't stop you from totally ignoring our requests to play a "proper" game and instead spend 15 minutes kicking us all about. Gee that's fun."

naah matey, u kids only stuck around for 4:30mins, where the score lay at 50-4 to i:
and yeah, it was fun

btw, its clan-i:

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old.marky

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I got told off for posting crap by Durzel. &gt; :(

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old.frankie

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havnt read any of that, but im gonna say you need to get out more.

its only a game

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stu

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Oh good, another one of these threads. "Yippee".

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The CCL game had been called off and Agent came into the channel and asked for a friendly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I never came into your channel. I never asked you for a game. I (naturally) assumed any game we'd have would be Team DM, as that is what we play (with not so much "team" :)). Why would I think it would be Lithium any more than Freezetag or Catch the fucking Chicken?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>For a full 5 minutes, moan, whinge, "Lithium sucks", "Lithium is gay", "You Lithium llamas", "We 0wned you at DM, and we'll 0wn you at Lithium", "We aint playing this map (dm3), cause you'll only quad wh0re us", and this went on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate Lithium. I am entirely within my rights to do so. Like Darren said, I fully expected it to be a DM game. We joined the server without the skins, asked for them to be changed to ukccl ones (as we both had them): response was "no go get them" - wow, friendly. Went and got the skins. Came back, DM3. Again, I hate DM3, I'm entirely within my rights to. I said (verbatim) "Oh come on, it's your mod, at least let us pick the map". Response: no. Wow real friendly (again).

I'd like to see the log of me saying "We'll 0wn you at Lithium".

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>To put it mildly, I think we went about 50-3 up in the first 4 minutes
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I assumed the game would be DM. I left pretty much as soon as it became evident that it wouldn't be (ie when the match started). If that's 4 minutes, you must live on Mercury or something. Of course, I don't know what happened after myself and Darren left, you may have continued to play Mark and Pete for 4 minutes. In which case, going 50-3 up is hardly an achievement is it.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>They don't know who the hell I am but I am fully aware of who's who.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know exactly who you are.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We really need to sirt all this shit out. Bring back the respect for clans. Stop the winging and start focusing on whatever its is about quake2 that u like, not what u dislike.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I fully agree. I like DM (at the moment). I dislike Lithium. You will understand, therefore, that I joined a game I expected to be DM, discovered it wasn't, and therefore left.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>naah matey, u kids only stuck around for 4:30mins, where the score lay at 50-4 to i:
and yeah, it was fun

btw, its clan-i:<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Like I said, I left within seconds, not minutes, of the game starting. So did Darren (because I was talking to him in IRC afterwards). So the only way you could have played for 4:30 is if you played 4v2 against Pete and Mark. If that's what you find "fun", that's entirely your prerogative. Personally I find it rather dull playing with a 100% advantage against a clan that's never played the mod, but maybe you don't like the challenge.

Oh, and btw, since you're being a pedantic arsehole, it's The Agency.
 
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old.K

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Boring now.

And I didn't say it was you yourself that asked us did I?

And yeah, seems to be another "one of those topics".
 
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old.i:G

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So the only way you could have played for 4:30 is if you played 4v2 against Pete and Mark. If that's what you find "fun", that's entirely your prerogative. Personally I find it rather dull playing with a 100% advantage against a clan that's never played the mod, but maybe you don't like the challenge.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right in one thing, we did play the final few minutes against 2 players. Like any team, we will play a match to its conclusion, win or lose, without any bad attitude. Can you say the same ?

You also said, (it's) "rather dull playing with a 100% advantage against a clan that's never played the mod".

Well, we play in the UKCCL as you know, and are NOT a DM team by any stretch of the imagination. We do it for laughs and still play with sportsmanship, win or lose. That's something (and I reckon I speak for all of i: on this point), that we are proud of. If a group of "newbie" DMers can do it .. why cant you ?

And to close ..

What's this about The Agency being booted from the UKCCL ? :)

N.B: Whatever .. I wish you guys the best, and I sincerely hope that in your travels you learn some manners.

"Peace, Respect and Frag" - easy innit.
 
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[LP]Acid

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Hey, it's Catch the Chicken, not Catch the fuckin Chicken.

Have some respect like the other folks are telling you!

Bwaaark.
 
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old.charliealpha

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Where to start?

Well, I fully respect Stu's decision not to like Lithium. The point of this was not to force it upon anyone. But like most things, if u like something and it gets a slaggin then theres a certain degree upon which you have to try and support these things. I try to play all mods with an open mind before I attempt any opinion, and that doesn't mean that any of the people involved here hasn't played lithium and therefore doesn't have a right to comment. As I said most played have played lithium at some point. But the point of this wasn't to force it...

The point of the post was to uncover yet another example of shitty attitude towards other players/mods/clans. Admittedly there has to be a certain amount of competition but when it starts to take over certain aspects of the game then surely its time to take a step back and really think about whats going on?

I wasn't there when this match took place. Hence the heavy quoting. If you want to argue that I have no place mentioning this from a 'played match' point of view then u may be right. But I am supporting my clan in what I see in a constructive way. I haven't knowingly slagged anyone off of put them down.

All I'm asking is that people think before they put their fingers into action. I would say mouth but until the day comes that we all use Battlecom or whatever then its fingers :) A bit of repsect goes a long long way.

Keep the competition healthy and for the love of god, stop being llamas. And that goes for me too..

ChArLiEaLpHa

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Durzel

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You've obviously never played a match with EED with Lurker on Battlecom then have ya.. :)
 
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old.charliealpha

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nup,

All I know about Lurker is a big dude who fixed my cable at EuroLan and said 'l33t' and 'skillz' alot :D Oh and the jammy get got a trip to E3. Better bring me back a copy of Black n White...

ChArLiE
 

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