would you rather have..

[saltymcpepper]

1) pre nerf zerkers and no savages
2) nerfed zerkers and fgs of savages

answer only 1 or 2

 

[phule_gubben]

only 1 or 2

 

[loxleyhood]

Haven't we already chosen 2 though?

 

[del_eneste]

Would have to say number 1

 

[stunned]

Make baod self only as supposed and ppl might log on those runies and SMs again, maybe.

 

[saltymcpepper]

whats a "runie" or "sm"?
some sort of savage RA??

 

[loxleyhood]

I killed a solo runemaster this morning. I honestly thought it was a savage disguised in a robe.

 

[Karlo]

neither tbh how about pre la fix zerkers in 1.48 or whatever it was

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by stunned
Make baod self only as supposed and ppl might log on those runies and SMs again, maybe.

Its not BAOD making mages inviable.

It's resists (50%+), interupts, Determination, (cheap) Purge, Alchemy, spellcrafting, removal of buffcaps.

That made mages pretty much out of the game. BAOD makes it worse against Hibs every now and then. BAOD is not the reason why I stocked my theurgist mostly.


(edit: Like BOF is not the reason you stop playing tanks)

 

[fl3a]

only 1 or 2

 

[stunned]

Well mages are very viable for one realm, baod just tips the balance further.

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
(edit: Like BOF is not the reason you stop playing tanks)

If we dont play tanks we are out of classes. Unless all mids rolled seers and stealthers.

 

[angara-ffs]

Originally posted by stunned
Make baod self only as supposed and ppl might log on those runies and SMs again, maybe.

You are aware its on a 30 minute timer and that not all enchanters have it?
You do...? Ok...then dont post this BS :kiss2:

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by angara-ffs
You are aware its on a 30 minute timer and that not all enchanters have it?
You do...? Ok...then dont post this BS :kiss2:

Yes I am. Put 2 enchs with baod in a group and youre down to every second fight with boad up.

Im not saying it has such a big impact on Mid meele groups, but it eliminates for instance a mid pbaoe group.

I mean you are complaining about Mid all running in savage groups, maybe look for some reason to it aswell, on your own backyard.

All casters a pretty much fucked up with resists, interrupts etc in Dark age of tankalot. Hibs casters are imo the only viable ones in the current shape.

I bet lots of ppl in Mid would love to play casters and do aswell as their Hib counterparts. Just as Hib tanks feel about savages/zerkers.

 

[old.Wildfire]

situation now is better than it was before imo

 

[saltymcpepper]

I THOUGHT ALL CHANTERS GOT BAOD IN THE MANA SPECLINE ???

 

[Ensceptifica]

2.

Zerkers needed a nerf, now savages became the fotm it turns out they need a nerf as well... though I think there's more subtle ways to bring midgard back in balance than just nerfing savages.

 

[belth]

Was "fun" fighting hibs couple nights ago, 3 chanters in a group, ran in to them few times within short intervals, BAoD was always active. Nice time nuking for 19(-5xx).

Oh, on topic... 3) neither

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by stunned

All casters a pretty much fucked up with resists, interrupts etc in Dark age of tankalot. Hibs casters are imo the only viable ones in the current shape.

?????? Only Hib-caster who doesnt notice the resists is the mana-chanter. Mid can do that too (check your runemaster plz).

Eldritch, mentalist, animist, all suffer in the same way from resists as ' regular casters'.

To be honest I think both Spiritmaster and Runemaster will own and be one of the best casters once resists are fixed.

There's no reason to say Hib-casters are more viable the Mid-casters. Only the mana-chanter overshadows all.

I bet lots of ppl in Mid would love to play casters and do aswell as their Hib counterparts. Just as Hib tanks feel about savages/zerkers.

Sigh. Mid casters are as viable as Hib casters. Only enchanter jumps out because he has PBAoE, stupid pet and ranged nukes with debuffs. Not all Hib-casters are enchanters.

Mid-casters can be very good too. If we talk about viability, utility and stuff I would say: Mid-casters > Hib-casters > Alb-casters. Just that resists seriously made all casters gimped.

 

[infozwerg]

3) dont care if its savage or zerker nerfed or unnerfed. if it has determination and dualwield its worth to be on of my henchmen.

 

[ilienwyn]

Originally posted by saltymcpepper
I THOUGHT ALL CHANTERS GOT BAOD IN THE MANA SPECLINE ???

 

[vintervargen]

yesterday, i blocked 5-6 albs that were attacking a drood for 1-2 mins, blocking almost everything, keeping him alive with a few heals. i blocked so much they after some time tried to kill me instead.

30 mins later, 2 h2h savages attacks same drood. he dies in 10 sec.

.

 

[Asha]

:scared::scared::scared:

can't pick only one whine!

this reminds me of the last presidential election, which horrid evul thing is less evul than the other?

tbh, dunno, do you include end buff nerf?

 

[Belsameth]

Originally posted by saltymcpepper
I THOUGHT ALL CHANTERS GOT BAOD IN THE MANA SPECLINE ???

nah, they made it baseline enchantment, so the mana line isn't too overpowered

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
?????? Only Hib-caster who doesnt notice the resists is the mana-chanter. Mid can do that too (check your runemaster plz).

Eldritch, mentalist, animist, all suffer in the same way from resists as ' regular casters'.

To be honest I think both Spiritmaster and Runemaster will own and be one of the best casters once resists are fixed.

There's no reason to say Hib-casters are more viable the Mid-casters. Only the mana-chanter overshadows all.




Sigh. Mid casters are as viable as Hib casters. Only enchanter jumps out because he has PBAoE, stupid pet and ranged nukes with debuffs. Not all Hib-casters are enchanters.

Mid-casters can be very good too. If we talk about viability, utility and stuff I would say: Mid-casters > Hib-casters > Alb-casters. Just that resists seriously made all casters gimped.

Eld mana/void and mana ench is uber for the teamplay in a way Mid casters isnt. Add a 9 sec baseline stun on "soft targets" if 1on1. And boad is just a final nail in the coffin.

 

[old.CrazyMuppet]

Originally posted by phule_gubben
only 1 or 2

classic

 

[old.Nol]

I disagree, most decent hib groups run with one chanter and one eldritch, so BOAD is not always up...We will more then likely have 2 GP's though, which is more of a problem to Middie pbaoe groups, because we are tougher to keep stunned.

More importantly though, I don't see how Midgard can complain about timered RA's, when their entire argument about insta CC is based on the fact that it is timered(with 3 healers in group).

Pick a side, don't keep trying to balance on the fence IMO.

With regards to zerk savage statement, savages are nouvoux zerkers...no access to determination and other cheap tank RA's like Champs would be fair I think.

And my answer is neither thanks...

 

[infozwerg]

30 mins later, 2 h2h savages attacks same drood. he dies in 10 sec.

dualwielding > block

nothing new here, move along

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by vintervargen
yesterday, i blocked 5-6 albs that were attacking a drood for 1-2 mins, blocking almost everything, keeping him alive with a few heals. i blocked so much they after some time tried to kill me instead.

30 mins later, 2 h2h savages attacks same drood. he dies in 10 sec.

.

10 seconds? 2 h2h savages? At cap speed? And savages quad all the time? How the hell did he live for 10 seconds?