Wij, your services are required.

[Tom]

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/06/30/6900029PerendevPowerMagneticMotor/index.html

Explain this bugger to me. Tell me what zero point energy is please.

 

[Tom]

http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

Bloody hell. I love boffins. Why haven't I got my anti-gravity boots yet?

 

[Wij]

It's the current fashion for proposing perpetual-motion machines. You say you aren't getting energy for free (that violates US patent law) you say you are getting it from zero-point-energy, which is a fringe-physics theory stating that even when something is frozen to absolute zero and should therefore have no kinetic energy it stall has some due to quantum fluctuations or some such. Therefore every point in the universe has enormous quantities of energy left untapped.

Quite how this applies to a queer system of permanent magnets is not clear. And you can't make a perpetual mation machine from magnetism for the same reasons you can't make them from gravity which is what most crackpots tried to do for hundreds of years.

 

[Xtro]

I think I'm in shock.

 

[Summo]

Um... shit. If this is real then we're, like at the dawn of a new age. I want this to be real.

 

[Wij]

I want YOU to be real. K.

 

[jaba]

Wij what is it you do? Im confused, I thought you just made silly jokes!

 

[Paradroid]

Electric motors are built with magnets placed around the armature, they're offset and this causes a push-pull effect on the rotor (it has magnets too), which then rotates.

The difference is that we need to induce this effect with an a/c power supply - whereas this magic motor is using only the energy produced by the magnets.

I'm not saying this is impossible, just not very probable. Still, magnetic energy isn't very well understood, so who knows - maybe, soon, we'll all be feeding banana skins into our flux-capacitors' fuel scoops.

 

[Summo]

Ban this smiley, please!

 

[fatbusinessman]

Aaaargh, Wij is being intellectual!

My world is coming to an end!

 

[Brynn]

Bloody Hell wij used the word queer in a post and he wasn't making a joke

 

[Tom]

you say you are getting it from zero-point-energy, which is a fringe-physics theory stating that even when something is frozen to absolute zero and should therefore have no kinetic energy it stall has some due to quantum fluctuations or some such.

Well, after reading about it, they say that because of the Heisenburg uncertainty principle (that you cannot observe something without disturbing it in some unpredictable fashion, thus you cannot ever know the velocity or energy of anything), you can't have a state of zero energy. For example, you wonder off into the middle of the universe, where there is no light, particles, or energy of any kind. You then observe that this place has zero velocity, and zero energy. Mr Heisenburg says that this is impossible, so there must be some energy there.

Or something. Anyway, I want one.

 

[Mazling]

Quantum torpedoes, anyone ?

 

[WPKenny]

So basically this means we can all buy these things and slap them onto our house and never pay a penny for electricity again? And even sell electricity back to "the grid"?

 

[TdC]

I think I'll read that later....when I've had more coffee...

 

[Will]

It's nonsense. I can't be bothered thinking about it enough to explain how, but it is.

 

[nath]

As I understand it, a magnet is - in many ways - like a spring. You can only get out of it what you put in to it, and as such you can't create engery out of it.

It'd be fantastic if it were real, but it's not :|

 

[Tom]

You can't actually create energy, you can only transpose it. What some people are theorising is that 'underneath' our universe is a sea of energy that can be tapped into under certain conditions, and perhaps this motor utilises some of those conditions.

I'm open minded about the whole thing, remember, people once said it was impossible to fly, and to break the sound barrier. People also said going to the Moon was impossible.

 

[Wij]

Energy from permanent magnets is not though

What's so shocking about me knowing some things ? Most of the stuff I read is textbooks. I like being a clever dick

 

[fatbusinessman]

What's so shocking about me knowing some things ? Most of the stuff I read is textbooks. I like being a clever dick

Wij hangs around in seedy corners of message boards, making remarks about his c0x0r. He doesn't explain quantum physics

 

[Tom]

Energy from permanent magnets is not though

What's so shocking about me knowing some things ? Most of the stuff I read is textbooks. I like being a clever dick

Have you ever tried reading about magnetism (not how it manifests itself) without finding your head is about to explode?

 

[Wij]

This book whilst only being pop science as opposed to a textbook is a must-read. It has an excellent section on perpetual motion machines and 'free' energy. It's also entertaining and fairly short and covers a huge range of issues. I've read it twice which is very rare for me

Seriously, he can explain the issues far better than I can. It's only 4 quid.