Wic's One Time Tree Lesson (no fee)

[old.Wicoa]

Ok I have had many compliments and nice things said about me recently which I am very happy with.

Here is my formula for hitting 50.

Get to lyonesse and a tree camp either 1 or 2 is best.

The entire group needs to be 47+ tho a minstrel can be 46 and no lower and a rejuv cleric at 45 and no lower. Theurg can be 45. Tho all the higher the better.

What you need
1) Scout yes you need a scout at 47+ only
2) Theurg 45+
3) Minstrel 46+
4) Armsman 47+
5) Misc for any class 47+
6) Armsman 47+
7) Mercenary
8) Rejuv Cleric

What you do....This is tough and if people don't know what they are doing forget it all will happen is death.

1) Get to you're camp site... have a cup of coffee and settle down.

2) You need to nominate a lead tank who all the others will macro or hit the same target as and will listen to

3) Scout goes to pull.

4) Trees/worms get mezzed tanks start to get to work.

5) While kill is going on minstrel play's mana song for the cleric.

6) (Important bit) As the tanks start to get to work on the last kill scout goes to pull the next wave. Minstrel needs to be on his toes to mez the inc trees.

You need a born leader on this one and someone who is going to be a right bitch to get the group working. You need someone who can say no to lower levels for a group and not just we will add you to the list and never call you... you have to be straight so they can go find someone else to group with. The leader will need to ignore the minstrel when he/she needs mana....... you'd be surprised as to how people cope under pressure esp minstrels hat's off to Mis/Byron and Munro. Lunar did a damn good job too ;-)

Now there were times when we had no cc but we were all 48/49 and could handle the aggro.

The higher the levels in the group the better. If you know lots of people who need to get from 48-50 I would suggest you form up a group around them and commit to times to come on to get the job done.

One more thing thats important..... ignore calls to rvr. I hate to say it BUT you will be far more use to the realm entirely when you are strutting around in you're epic armour taking down various foe. By the time you even get to Adribards either the relics have gone or we have won. If you get to 50 we have another group of 8 to include on the next raid or in defence of albion.

DF is useless for serious xp in my view............ there are always interruptions either middies/hibbies on our side or when people need to go realm has no access so you get no replacements.

One last thing commit to each other....... if there are 3/4 people all 49 within range of each other trying to get to 50 make a pact to drive each other on and hang aorund even when you are 50 to help them get there.

This is the way in the end I wanted to get to 50 I was surrounded by friends and we were having such a laugh it was just so brill.

Those who want to flame away go ahead those who want to give it a go have good fun

Im shattered now wish you all good luck.

 

[Meatballs]

DF has amazing exp if you get a group who are dedicated to stay down there for hours.

 

[old.Hendrick]

I can only second Wicoas post! Those last levels were the ones where exping was actually fun since the groups were a blast most of the time and the fighting was so fast that you just could not get bored.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Aye, I was in quite a few groups with wic and hendrick towards the end, and unlike normal tree groups I didn't even once come close to falling asleep

Having a high lvl group does make all the difference tho, so if ya do get a decent group, try and stick with em till you all ding 50

Off to let more mids hitma shiny new epic armour now.. (22 pie gloves! omg!)

 

[old.Isos]

hehe I just hit 49 and Im never going down too lyon again unless DF have been closed for a long time =)

exp in DF is amazing!! IM only 8,9 dots left to 50=)

by the way wic, I would throw in a paly to that mix. damage chant is still great and I cant tell you how many times Ive saved me and my group with healchant

 

[old.Wicoa]

wow loch you hit 50 Im so pleased....... you were very curtious and we owed you a session but since are 50 now all I can say is well done

There is a misc spot in the group for any other class, paladin, infiltrator, debuffer's, mages, another cleric/tank/.

This is how me and a few close friends got to 50 . DF I am sure is superb I just thought it would be best to let people know how we did it. The last few levels are very painful and a few pieces of advice here and there can be useful.

Ohh if you're a scout in the group only use you're arrows to pull then melee with the damage team until they are about to go onto the last monster, then go pull.

 

[listepik]

bah. who needs trees!
ziera cauton and i did tanglers till it got boring, did DF xp raids, and ultimately soloed together in barrows for the last few bubbles.

the last 10 bubbles took about 10-12 hours of play, and not a single tree was hit

 

[Jexa]

Nice guide Wic, a lot of people don't xp the optimal way, and not many people who do inform others



I bet when it goes wrong its spectacular

 

[Danya]

Minstrels whining for power? bah, I've had to tell groups "Don't wait for my power, just pull" before.

 

[Myddrin]

Few alternatives:

Mini 3 man Tangler group is always a handy option if no tree groups ging, can be faster xp too.

Probably better xp that Trees is the Umbral Hulks in DF. These are a slow pop though, so when they've all been taken out just go and move 20 yards up to the Cthulu knights and camp them for 10 mins, rinse and repeat.........plus you get shed loads of diamonds seals off both mobs, especially the Umbrals.

Personally speaking for the last few levels I just camped teh wizard room in Barrows, get between 40-68k xp for each kill, they are weak oponents and die easily, so the downtime wasnt too much of an issue (for a fire wiz anyway).

 

[Verena]

Lovely group we had there Wicoa and Hendrick.

It sure is _the_ way to keep the main CC from falling asleep at 4 AM

Too bad you're 50 now, bet I can't get you crazy enough to help me get to 50 this weekend? Not many groups dare to change the casual slow pulls at the trees.

 

[Murcalumis]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
Aye, I was in quite a few groups with wic and hendrick towards the end, and unlike normal tree groups I didn't even once come close to falling asleep

<coughs loudly>

 

[-Najwa-]

Thanks Wic . Great guide.
if anyone else thought wic's guide seems a good idea and a wants to make a last final attempt to get 50 .
put your name/interest down here and maybe we could get a group of 8 together to try and get that step further to 50.

 

[Lochlyessa]

Couldn't fall asleep with you either Vince, always had to look to see which mez you were gonna break next

 

[listepik]

when vince hit 50, all us sub-50's rejoiced!!!

go figure...

 

[-jamza-]

(wicoa)


week ago (lvl 45) (44) - nothin lower

Lunar organised tree group and invited me lvl 45+ sorc

ok im thinking ok going to be ok group (just left my old tree group for it )

graham|and a few others joined as well

wicoa came along took controll of the group - decided he would like to chain pull - we had 1 minstril and 1 sorc- lvl 45+ (dont get me wrong both nice guys) 3 tanks infil and a scout if i recall

- the chain pull wasent going great because the fact was i was out damageing most of them and getting agro (2H pally) - and we had no Pbt! and healer no offence dident seem to be high spec in rev and healing me wasent there prob but the fact that there little group - is near the same group as what they do every day and all close to 50- tell me that and i shall respect it

Ok we could single pull easy - Now instead of asking lunnar or the minstril to leave so a lvl 48 merc could join - i get a PM saying can u please leave u can see we want some one better )

words along that line i was outraged by this (then @ the point he said WE WANT TO LVL TO 50 FAST SO CAN YOU LEAVE! ! (btw not in caps thats just me) omg that really anoyed me - i can accept rejection had it enouth irl

but to take the piss like that - then to tell every one in group jamza you have to go then i left not saying much because of this blocked Wico - I dont like selfish people and Thats the way it goes

Ok you seem understandable and mature so i wont slate you (Power hungry witch is what you are) (Gets a buzz out of being the leader)

Btw are you a guild officer or even GM ? - you need to be
Some of you guys wont agree with me i know but Tbh i really cant stand people who think there the boss -guild leaders i can because they know what they want and you join them because you like there idea)

i like to think of my self - and a fast learner about this game - thats why im currently just over 11 days play time on jamza lvl 48 (not bad u say) ok there there are better but i did that by getting good group and setting the limit

it has and i think it's always be the 44 rule

tanks 44
all class 44
hey even had a cleric today lvl 41

and i group alot with the same guys because we are so close to big 50 - and i like it we have a laugh joke take 10 min breaks when we had enouth even - go out and get dinner one goes AFK for like 1 hour and then the next goes when he comes back - Thats called working as a group - not acting like mr big man telling lowbies to go away - you take the time to tell them (tell them you have a list and tell them they need to be 44 tell them the rules

and tell them what you think as a group ! Leader ! but do not tell them to go if u have already grouped them ! unless they are a tit - no comments on that please-

The point is i havent spoke to you out of char so im going to leave it as this im not going to judge you. your lvl 50 now just have respect to all game players damn would u say to a lvl 5 to go away and stop talking to you cuse u have to defend the keep thats the way you came across to me i may just got u on a bad day anyway im off now all this typeing hurts!

 

[old.k70]

Quite a lot of text for just saying that you get more xp when you pull faster.

If you want fast xp at trees get one or two ice wizards and just blast them all at once If you don't have them take at least a wizard - if possible two - into your 'optimal' group to nuke them down faster. Get rid of the Merc and the Armsman and take a shield specced Paladin guarded by the shield specced Scout. You don't even need a Theurg then.

 

[-jamza-]

Hey motom u still up GO TO BED

aye wizzys are good for trees as they have a + bon on them then again tho we say we dont want mercs and armsmen much for a tree group (fact is they still need to lvl)
(I agree a SS paladin is best defence tank) (group tank)
motom still got me on the 50% 50% chance of respec (Damn you )

(do i get brownie points for letting a scout in group) (looks at motor)

The shield spec scout!

lol anyway i thought me and u soloing together was fun - u pulled cric hit then guarded me and i wack it

hey btw i got part 2 of sun and moon i got the stun part workswell as a comb ill show ya later if ya on
happy hunting

 

[old.Wicoa]

As I say try anything whatever works...

But this is how me and my ale drinking pals did it.

 

[Murcalumis]

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
Couldn't fall asleep with you either Vince, always had to look to see which mez you were gonna break next

Well, I am an Armsman!

Originally posted by listepik
when vince hit 50, all us sub-50's rejoiced!!!

go figure...

<cries>

Remember, I was crowd control in a tree group! Raaaaar!

 

[old.Sohawen]

I love your Sorce Xak

Here is my formula for hitting 50.
In a group of 2 ppl me and my friend xak(sorce) doing tanglers
The xp i sawsome

 

[old.Wicoa]

Ahh Yeah forgot to reply to Jamza.

Lunar invited you by mistake I was leader and had gone ID. Hence everyone put me back at the top of the pile.

I tried to talk to you in private telling you that you had a good run with us but you were quite stubborn only way to put it really, so I had to state it in group chat and spell it out to you.

The purpose of these groups was to get people to 50, Lunar was 47 and most of us were 48/49. This wasn't the fun hey ho lets have a laugh type of group this was serious. You were getting hit like a wizard in cloth armour three hits and you were down. It wasted alot of cleric mana which we needed to optimise over the chain pull, we had to sit and stop several times exactly for this reason. If you weren't getting hit like that then everything would have been ok. Fact is a level 48/49 armsman would get damaged minimally compared to a 43/44 armsman (provided they had up to date armour in each case). Trees are red to a 47 and still purple to a 43/44 the difference is huge.

You had at least an hour with us why can't you just realise you had a good run with us and leave it at that.

I also told everyone that wanted on the list they needed to be 45+ to even get on it and was straight with them so they could go find another group. Heck Jamza when others were trying to put another group together I even recommended you.

Ohh and by the way its not unusal for 48/49's to reject or ask people to leave in a group so they can reach their goal. I was victim of it several times more than I can remember. I appreciate the fact I got to see how they operate and got the xp I did when they allowed me to tag along.

Thats the end of the matter, I really have no reason to state this or argue anymore. I wish you good luck in getting 50 tho and hope to see you cutting down some foe some day.

 

[Danya]

I agree with moto, you need wizards for fast trees. Best tree group I had was, me, 2 tanks, 3 wizzies, theurg, cleric. When the trees came in you'd just hear the casting start up then it was just this huge roar of "BOOM" sounds from fire DDs, it sounded cool and they dropped so fast I was amazed.
This was back in the days of autos though, so having a puller was less of an issue.

 

[kr0n]

You can hit 50 with assorted grps, not just those mentioned... :/

You can have a full grp of Pallies etc, sorcs, cabbies etc. What every group needs is a healer type and someone who can take damage (read tanks/assassin with high dex and dodger 5 and PBT )

As I said, theres a spot for every group to exp. Tho now it went like, every realm has its favourite spots to exp in.

Mids have Malmohus, Albs have Lyoness and hibs have Cursed Forest.

Variety is the key for fun exp.

 

[old.ondor]

lolllll no wayy
wicoa your list is gimbed!


the best group for witherwoods is

4 paladins 46+ 2 healing chant one offencive-one defencive
and some twisting when endurance is gone
1 minstrel 45+
pbt theurgist 44+
one cleric buffer mostly coz paladins healing chat rule
and last one wizzy to speed up killing

The best group!


Paladin= PVE king!
and any way like bartar say

THERE IS NO XP LIKE TANGLERS XP

 

[old.Wicoa]

Ondor super glad to see a nice alternative.

Lovely group you've set up there BUT who's gonna pull.

Paladins can throw mud at them.... minstrel's dd don't reach that far. If cleric is true buff then smites out of the question and range isn't that great...... and I'd love to see a mage type willing go pull double hit trees ;-)

Im sure you found a way but Im giggling a bit here.

 

[old.ondor]

theurgist pulls great and doent get sleepy with pbt

or small wizard fireball
takes insane small agro and does a fine work .....


we are speaking about the best group not that other classes dont help
for example if a buffed dexterity scout guards u
he does insane blocks

but i believe the best group is the one i said

 

[Danya]

Group I hit 50 in was:
3 Paladins (healchant rocks)
1 Armsman (pulls and general mayhem, hi Vince!)
1 Minstrel (general uberness and CC)
1 Theurgist (PBT and buffs)
1 Cleric (buffs, smite)

The cleric was actually LD for about 4 autos without our DT increasing (and it was almost non-existant to start with), heal chant rocks

 

[old.Bubble]

4 infs 2 scouts 2 sorcerers

Oh yeah baby!


Or a sorcerer 46+ a wizard 46+ and a mini with 40+ in music
chain pulling tanglers

best i've seen through is a matter cabbie solo tanglers 2 AOE DOTS...



Oh lvl46 sorcerer LFG

 

[Yussef]

Group I hit 50 in was:
3 Paladins (healchant rocks)
1 Armsman (pulls and general mayhem, hi Vince!)
1 Minstrel (general uberness and CC)
1 Theurgist (PBT and buffs)
1 Cleric (buffs, smite)

The cleric was actually LD for about 4 autos without our DT increasing (and it was almost non-existant to start with), heal chant rocks

Heh, I was there, same group I got 50 in Vinc the gimp was my personal BT, that group rocked, now I hope some of the ideas from the Paladin TL report gets included, such as group heals. self buffs, then clerics will only be needed for buffs and better rez's rah!