Why everyone so shitty now?

[oblivion_6]

Ive noticed a massive change in this game since i started only a few month back

It seems to me that the guilds out there have been clearly seperated into those that have fun, those that RvR, those that concentrate heavily on leveling and being the best

Ive seen many fg's of hibbies in the so called rvr guilds run past fellow dead hibbies and not stop to rez em as they are "too busy"

Ive seen elite pwr lvling grps throw people out of groups for being afk for more than 2 mins

The amount of fights breaking out between guildies and groupies has massively increased wether it be over drops or over telling people how to maximise their gameplay

And now ive witnessed groups of the elite guilds blocking of all other hibernians from the drops from the best dungeon in the game.

Why have things changed so much ?????

I cant figure out what happened to make everyone compete agianst each other.

This game has a unique system which only lets us whack away at other realms. but we seem to spend more time arguing than working together.

If things dont change soon theres gonna be bad blood between everyone and this doesnt help with relic raids and having fun.

I know i personally now feel resent towards LA for their rvr ignorance against others who dont happen to be in their guild and now for their inclusion in the legion drops from censis raid. So I to am guilty but surely we can all try and get back to the way it was????

i mean it was only a little while ago

just makes me sad that things are like this now as my enjoyment of the game is decreasing due to it

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Wonder the same thing, I put it down to time, changing peoples attitudes, old players leaving, and an influx of new people from other realms, rerollers and the like, spreading their ideas/thoughts, causing conflict with the old style of things

Will be some time before it all settles in, but it won't be the same as before I think.

Btw I'm LA, so you have to hate me now.

Oh and we've never ignored people to rez.. we just gotta make sure no one is in the immediate area before we blow our mana rezzing.. common sense I think.

 

[oblivion_6]

tbh

im basing my LA opinions on the ones ive met which may not be u m8 in fact im sure ive been in fins with u and there was a nice LA today Aragon i think he helped with fins

but what im saying is that if some peeps in your guild act shitty then it makes the whole guild look bad

also i dont think censi's idead of saying only set guilds like yours gettin legion drops will do anything to make peeps like you guys

 

[old.Tzeentch]

well, thing is, you can arrange a group of your own, of mates and things, and act in the same manner as LA would for the legion thing... censi will treat you the same.

of course, if people act like cunts, it reflects on the guild.. but I think, for some strange reason, people here dont tend to 'report' bad behaviour to GMs.. I personally, do this, and all the time the problem is resolved.. instead of harbouring bad blood for weeks to come.

 

[oblivion_6]

a lot of times ive pmed GM about bad beheaviour from their guildies swearing bitching etc and been on the receiving end of more foul language and bitching lol u cant win

 

[old.Tzeentch]

hehehe

well, then I think you'd probably be right in complaining about them here

 

[foolou]

Oblivion i think you are right with your general critics to hibernia.
Blaming LA for all that isn't the solution.
After all it's ppl that decide not to ress or just ignore other ppl.

I think a big part of the ppl switched to a very mechanical way to play this game .. it's powerxping, powerrpfarming, etc ...

I've met too few ppl who actually seem to enjoy the interaction with other players, or to explore this game .. it's just that all just fullfill their part of the job.

 

[Erekrose]

Originally posted by oblivion_6


It seems to me that the guilds out there have been clearly seperated into those that have fun, those that RvR, those that concentrate heavily on leveling and being the best

Which one is yours? If its the style you dont like then move. Let the powergamers & RVR only guilds get on with it. If you want to have fun there are plenty of us out there who just want the same. Remember though RVR & powergaming is how some people have fun & thats up to them.

You pay to play you pay to make your own choices. I personally am looking forward to a fun legion raid with the Hearts Of Fire alliance. We may not be in & out like a supermarket sweep & we may have a little challange sharing out the drops but we will have fun the way we like it.

 

[oblivion_6]

lol my guild is very small if it werent for HoF alliance we wouldnt do much at all

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by oblivion_6
Ive seen many fg's of hibbies in the so called rvr guilds run past fellow dead hibbies and not stop to rez em as they are "too busy"

When did we not stop to ress/help anyone in RvR?

 

[wuntvor]

Before I say anything I wanna point out that this is NOT a flame and anyone who takes it as such is not taking the time to read what is said.

I've seen a noticable change in the way players interact in Hib over the past few months and as I see it there is a noticable cause and effect patern occuring.

When the RvR guilds first started Veng and LA led the way and that was no problem, it was a small group of players who wanted to RvR all the time, however when others saw the sucess these guilds were having the RvR guild trend exploded.

What this resulted in was many of the medium sized guilds losing many of there level 50's because they were unable to get the right mix of classes together to run nightly RvR grps. This causes a crisis for many guilds because those remaining suddenly find them selves in a situation where members are unhappy and feel let down by the people who have left and the guild itself is in a much worse situation than before because of the loss of these players.

Any resentment towards these guilds is then amplified hugely by and actual or perceved arrogant behaviour by their members to those who remained with there origonal guild. I have experienced this myself on more than one occasion and I won't flame anyone here about it, I talked to their GM and it was sorted, but to the RvR guilds .......

Please, all the rest of us ask is for the same respect to be shown to other people in game as you have for each other, and I am not targeting any whole guild with sweeping judgments here, just a request to keep an eye on the few that are causing this kind of ill feeling.

On the occasions Hib works together as a whole we do it damn well. Please let the flame wars stop, and lets get on with having fun and kicking the crap out of the other realms instead of each other.

 

[Pempulla]

Re: Re: Why everyone so shitty now?

Originally posted by Wuren


When did we not stop to ress/help anyone in RvR?

Wuren you have NEVER rezzed me. Can you honestly call yourself 'a hero'?

 

[Bitney]

Agree!

Wuntvor has hit the nail on the head. This is what has caused so much friction in Hibernia over the last few months.

Legends of Camelot lost 4 of its highest level members due to these old/new guilds poaching them (the ones who left would deny they were poached and blamed it on things to do with the guild itself), this caused a great deal of problematic posts on our guild forums etc.

We found that the people left in our guild felt in some ways let down and frustrated, especially the new members. Many of us stopped playing and took breaks in other realms. When things finally got back to normal our guild was stronger than ever, we started inducting new members, started having fun and got to know each other better.

As for these "RvR Guilds" only 1 has shown respect and friendliness and thats LA, the rest are just a bunch of arrogant twits who think they are the best in their own eyes, to the rest of the realm they are just idiots.

And on the Res part, get used to it until they introduce RP's for ressing people. You don't become l337 just by ressing people!

 

[karlophin]

Re: Agree!

Originally posted by Bitney

As for these "RvR Guilds" only 1 has shown respect and friendliness and thats LA, the rest are just a bunch of arrogant twits who think they are the best in their own eyes, to the rest of the realm they are just idiots.

OMG why!!! Do you know any of us? Its hurtful when people speak of guilds like this. Black Dragon is not full of a bunch of idiots in any respect. The majority are really nice people and will go out of there way to help each other and others. Just because we dont invite some peps to group and say sorry its a guild group, doesnt make us fools. It meens exactly as it says, sorry guild group. hmm

 

[Tank Init]

then why dont you level your new ppl to 50 instead of getting other guilds to do the hard work for you?

 

[karlophin]

Originally posted by Tank Init
then why dont you level your new ppl to 50 instead of getting other guilds to do the hard work for you?

Its not our fault people decide to join us. After playing this game for 8 months and being in Terra Dominus up to a week ago I know the feeling. But I certinally didn't let the guild level me up to 50 and then leave. In fact I lvl'd to 50 and was in it for at least another 4 months. Was second down from GM and helped members all the time. Then I wanted a change so I joined Black Dragon. Where is the forcing in that??

We get people pm'ing us wanting to join, its our policy not to invite people to join unless there unguilded. I think a lot of this is coming down to jealousy amongst other things. We dont have a problem with you, so why do you have a problem with us?

 

[exe]

Originally posted by Tank Init
then why dont you level your new ppl to 50 instead of getting other guilds to do the hard work for you?

Hm... all i can say: ROFL. A mixed exp grp="getting the other guilds to do the hard work for u"? Or do u allways make a guild exp grp and take an outsider for the 8th spot to leech exp of u? Dont make urself look silly.

 

[Tank Init]

how am i making my self look silly? please tell, the whole of hib except for your selvs see this the same way as me.

or is it now we are all wrong and only you are right?

 

[exe]

U make urself look silly by saying this:

Originally posted by Tank Init
then why dont you level your new ppl to 50 instead of getting other guilds to do the hard work for you?

Mixed exp grps allways was and still is the major way of exping on all realms so whats wrong with it?

 

[wuntvor]

So I'm guessing it isn't possible to discuss this subject without it turning into a flame thread then

One of the few times I've got involved in a discussion thread because it was one that started out with a fair point being made and I wanted to put across my view for discussion.

ahhh well there you go........... carry on fostering ill feeling towards the changing social dynamics of the game, focus it on individauls and whole guilds, that will really help sort out problems within the realm and not make it worse

 

[Wuren]

I dont recall asking other guilds to lvl player for us, funny thing is that 98 % of the ppl we have asked to join, not the other way around. Each day I get tells from 3-4 lvl 50's around different guilds asking for a trial.

 

[oblivion_6]

Originally posted by exe
Mixed exp grps allways was and still is the major way of exping on all realms so whats wrong with it?

hes not talking about that

he means joining a guild to get them to help u through thte levels till 50 and then buggering of he aint talkin bout groups

 

[Wuren]

How do you help someone to lvl if not by making groups?

 

[exe]

Originally posted by oblivion_6


hes not talking about that

he means joining a guild to get them to help u through thte levels till 50 and then buggering of he aint talkin bout groups

Hm... does he mean pling or whatsoever then? If so then I can assure u that there ARENT many guilds around making pl events for their lowbies. But what u say is a fair point tho and I would hate such twats myself if I knew any...

 

[Erekrose]

Originally posted by Wuren
How do you help someone to lvl if not by making groups?

Items, cash, advice, buffs, moral support, motivation & yes powerlevelling.




If people bugger off at 50 for RVR and your guild isnt offering RVR regularly then i can kinda understand it a bit. But thats what alliances are for surely.

If you find alot of people dinging 50 & jumping ship then you are recruiting the wrong people. You dont generally find people helping the guild out & becoming close friends with other members then jumping ship.

You can usually spot those without the guild loyalty quite easy.

 

[Arakiel]

its not all so bad mate > you gotta look for the good times , ppl are always gonna complain how things used to be and arent anymore > i stilll meet new ppl everyday im on and theres still a lot to fight for dont lose heart ppl and try to see the better side of things

i found that if i shout at ppl for something im unhappy for > they only get defensive and will retort , even if they know theyre wrong theyll defend themselves >

as for trying to improve guild relations i am organizing inter guild RvR groups > my guild and one other puts together raids and by doing it on a friendly basis , we all have fun and work better together , i have already runa cpl with some guilds , any guidl that wants to organize one with me PM me in game im also working on other ideas so if ya think you know every bit of RvR id love to have your contributions

 

[Ziva]

I understand your post completly oblivion_6 and i do share your feelings too but like some other people said... i think everyone should enjoy the game in a way they want it. And if that means joining a RvR only guild or some other specific guild then let them do this.

Sure it's no fun to wait at DL for so long, hoping to get an invite meanwhile seeing RvR only guildgroups forming allover the place, sure it's no fun not beeing able to join a raid because ur guild is simply too small... but personally i hope it's a time related matter and things will flow over.

I hold no grudge against any guild as long as they are fair to non-guildies when they join their group. That means do not dump non-guildies from your group as soon as a guildie joins. Tell people in front when u want to do that. That is what causes a bad image for a guild. Honesty can really prevent a lot of trouble imho.

 

[Sleet]

Originally posted by Ziva


I hold no grudge against any guild

I think most should learn this approach

 

[oblivion_6]

Grudge is maybe the wrong word

perhaps respect of sense of pride in your realm is better

As these people really make me feel annoyed about it all

 

[Sleet]

Originally posted by oblivion_6


As these people really make me feel annoyed about it all

Will achieve you nothing