Why do people think that rangers will own everything in NF?

[Adari]

Heh,

they wont.

- Zephyr will blatantly obviously be nerfed.
- Volley has been nerfed for three horus which makes it a lot less useful for the only thing it was good for - generating whine by killing BB's/AFK's
- Passive TS? Okay, so you see an infil before he sees you? So what. Not like you gonna kill him unless you want to zerg.
- IP will be fucked to 30 points, Useful purge will be fucked to 30 points, youd need RR7 to be back on track.

or am I missing something ?

 

[Enli]

i'll be fucked

saw this between the lines

 

[Squalion]

TS3, IP2, Purge2 :/

gonna need to rvr a lot :/

in the end i want purge 3 ip 3 too

rest will go into Physical Def

 

[Spamb0t]

dont ask me.. i have no clue why anyone would want to make a ranger.

 

[Enli]

dont ask me.. i have no clue why anyone would want to make a ranger.

to spec volley the mids would say :/

 

[Marczje]

to spec volley the albs would say :/

indeed

 

[Radix]

I think its not only what archers get, its also what assassins loose.

There is a lot of stealth detection so its geting near impossible for assassins to get close to target, and the perf damage is just plain sad even when its pulled off.

assassins loose see hidden
archers get passive true sight

nightshades can loose health they are short on to be immune to poison (only an ability usable against 2 classes of enemies.
rangers gain anytime stun with damage.

mastery of stealth previously unique to assassins is now shared by all stealthers.

viper previously unique to nightshades shared by assassins.

couple defensive abilities that previously kept nightshades alive now completely removed without adding anything to replace.

Archers will also have it hard with passive true sight as they slaughter each other but its the assassin who is stuck between cross fire.

Oh and our stealth abilities like crawl wall will be rather useless when enemy guards get true sight cheap in new frontiers as upgrade,
insane hight on keeps also limits safe fall.

Vanish wont be enough against all the crap thrown at nightshades

 

[Aloca]

Heh,

they wont.

- Zephyr will blatantly obviously be nerfed.
- Volley has been nerfed for three horus which makes it a lot less useful for the only thing it was good for - generating whine by killing BB's/AFK's
- Passive TS? Okay, so you see an infil before he sees you? So what. Not like you gonna kill him unless you want to zerg.
- IP will be fucked to 30 points, Useful purge will be fucked to 30 points, youd need RR7 to be back on track.

or am I missing something ?

how you know that Zephyr is going to get nerfed then?
and a good ranger will have the inf down at 5-10% hp when he reaches you.

And for you rangers remember Hunters, they will use their insta pet and then just kite around with you, and if you ever get close, bam insta pbaoe snare.

If you rangers meet a scout. well he engage you and you cant shoot him then he can walk away or wait until you get zerged.
(must admit taht rangers is better than scout in melee)

 

[Adari]

TS3, IP2, Purge2 :/

gonna need to rvr a lot :/

in the end i want purge 3 ip 3 too

rest will go into Physical Def

TS3, IP2, Purge2 = RR7

I would have prefered the old system with IP, Purge and AP3 at RR7L2, how do you think you're going to kill shit without it :|

Really I'm annoyed

Just have to wait and see though, I guess having TS3 and Zephyr wouldn't be bad.

 

[Adari]

how you know that Zephyr is going to get nerfed then?
and a good ranger will have the inf down at 5-10% hp when he reaches you.

Zephyr will get nerfed cos its an uber ability on a 2 min timer that generates immense whine @ VGN, however, itll still be nice I hope

And yeah, if you see the infil at max range you'll have him at 5%, if not, you won't, I don't see how TS3 is gonna help much there.

 

[censi]

the main whine is coming because archer are at last being given a defense against assasins finding them.

This turns the Archer V Assasin tables in favour of archers now getting the jump on assasins at close quarters. The relative strengths of the classes actually mean that assasin and archers will now be killing each other a lot more evenly.

At the moment assasins are still completely dominating archers (in general).

TS3 at 800 range for 30 points is gonna nerf your character a lot but versus other stealthers it will give you a jump advantage. Archers really need this jump advantage to compete with Mincers and Assasins.

With regards to FZ. No comment. But for the love of god dont nerf it pls!!

U guys will still have detect hidden which is a bit like free TS1 or summin.

 

[Radix]

passive true sight also hurt archers.

solo or duets, we will have a lot of paranoid archers twitching and jerking about hoping to spot the enemy archer first so they can absolutely butcher the enemy before he absolutely butchers you instead.

In groups this ability will just sweep frontiers of any stealthers not in full groups.

and detect hidden would only be TS1 against those with weak stealth, from what I remember its only slight boost to the natural detection that relies on your own and the enemies stealth spec.

 

[Mirt]

I'm pretty certain zephyr will be changed. 1 v 1, it's pretty much as close to an I-Win button as anything in the game. A fair change would be for zephyr to be a focus spell, i.e. the person using the zephyr can do nothing else.

 

[Brennik]

- Volley doing insane damage on Pendragon (probably will get "adjusted" at some point)
- ToA bonuses making double critshotting people possible
- Sureshot
- BT penetrating shots
- bypasses Bodyguard
- Rapid Fire

Take your pick.

 

[Rulke]

If they nerf zephyr they'd better nerf bodyguard too, since zephyr is the only viable way of tank groups beating bodyguard caster groups. Unless you count meleeing down the hero with 2k HP, moose, IP and PBT while being stunned, grappled and PBAoEd as viable

 

[Squalion]

Grapple is so leet imo

had a zerker (rat guy i think) grappled for 40 secs in a fight wasted his rat form lol

 

[Aloca]

Grapple is so leet imo

had a zerker (rat guy i think) grappled for 40 secs in a fight wasted his rat form lol

Hamster form imo

 

[Bellona]

As long as the ranger is lurikeen it will own :wub:

 

[Auriel]

It's not about solo rangers, it's about what happens when a passive TS3 ranger runs in a group with cc and support, or a pack of passive TS archers go looking for stealthers. Volley is an rp cow at siege, it rakes rp in for little risk, and the sojourner 5 arrow merchant eliminates ammo problems completely.

'Own everything' is a bit far, but 'make decent rp for a group' is more like it.

 

[Lusche]

NF would be a good point to give IP back to Assassin classes

 

[Talivar]

One of the main focuses of NF is seiges and keeps,ppl seem to be forgetting that

 

[Amadon]

free moc usable at will

 

[Auriel]

Sureshot, yeah, it's a sort-of-MoC2 @ 45 bow spec but it only works against arrows and spells. Only real use is against aoe interrupt spam since it halves damage.

 

[Amadon]

Sureshot, yeah, it's a sort-of-MoC2 @ 45 bow spec but it only works against arrows and spells. Only real use is against aoe interrupt spam since it halves damage.

lol
i'd take that 'only real use' over all the bullshit 'utility', low hps, lack of defense, easily negated damage that my casters get.

 

[Adari]

urgh

the point of sureshot is that you tap it to interupt once then stop using it to fire one or two normal arrows then tap it again to interupt etc

that way u wont gimp ur dmg

 

[Byssa]

WTF why the hell would they nerf FZ. I mean Soj path for MLs give u like the most useless thing ever the only good thing out of it is FZ apart from that the rest is uselss.And those ppl that say archers are goin to own in frontier is basicly a lot of rubbish.just wait and see. Alb just go out and stealth zerg with god knows how many stealthers they just win either way and besides FZ is not a i win button cause sometimes the stupid pet goes off and don't fly in a straight line....

 

[Dorin]

nerf of zephyr = no point to play tanks at all, not even bodyguard-grapple spammers as there wont be any other tanks to protect your casters from

 

[Exioce]

Exploring NF with a stealth class sounds fun, and an archer with dualwield is sexy

 

[Bellona]

Exioce.. your remake of the mumin rocks

 

[evial bloodstone]

In groups this ability will just sweep frontiers of any stealthers not in full groups.

do Rangers get grps?