where have xp groups gone??

[old.Gillaien]

I mean, what is wrong with this realm? Now its not even possible to get an xp group at lvl 20-30 unless we have DF!

Whenever I try to find a group with my 22 hero I either get told: sorry full (with that bug and the grp still showing up on search you never know if its a lie or not), or, when asking soloers: no thx, getting PL; no thx, bg char

But mostly theres just hardly anyone on the grp search screen. PMing random players at my lvl just ends up with no answer at all, or the most common "getting PL" answer.

So, is this it? Nobody is lvling any more, all getting PLed just to stand at Ligen without a fucking clue how to play? I have been in so many random groups where I just wanted to leave because the people sucked so bad. First ebay, now PLed chars, its all getting worse and worse.


Please tell me I dont have to delete my hero, because I actually enjoy playing her, but my menta soloed faster at lvl 40 than she does at 22.

 

[rose]

imo get him PL

Its the way the DAoC is now, not only this realm, you have everyone and his dog running around with a lvl 50 chanter on another account and they are PL other alts. You cant blame em really XPin is the most boring thing in DAoC imo. I personally do not want to have to do the same lvlin pain I had when I tried lvlin my hero when DAoC first came out.

I dinged 50 long before all this focus crap, but I dont want to do that again .

Look mate it aint gonna change, and yes your going to find it hard to get xp with a hero, they suck solo.

 

[old.Kerosene]

Aye. It's the same now for anyone. I like xp'ing. You get to meet new people, have a bit of fun, make a bit of cash. I am not a fan at all of PL'ing. But I've just had to order a buffbot account just so I don't have to solo all the time

PS. I'm a warden.

 

[old.SOSAGES]

pl is an issue i like actually playing the game but i too noticed early on if ur not a healer or chanter u have no place ..

so i rolled a chanter and went 50 fast shame really

when ever i log on my guild is running exp grps so im sure with the numbers CF has u can get a grp together

 

[old.Gillaien]

I could, but most of them are much higher level so its hard to fit in. Might get better when I pass 30.

And by the way, I will NOT pl ANY of my chars to 50. A level or 2 when you are stuck is ok, but thats it.

For a simple reason: I want to know how to play the character. I have gotten my Druid to 50, soloing a lot from 25-35 because at that time there were hardly any grps at that level (most were much lower), I have played my menta to 50 with a lot of soloing but also very good groups, I have even leveled all my BG chars in xp groups before /level came.

And I won't start PLing my chars. Except a bb, but since I already got a druid to 50 thats something else

But I simply don't want to be standing at Ligen some day, asking myself what all those nice buttons are for.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

There are a lot less people exping at lower levels for whatever reason. At 22, I would have thought you where ok in sprag den... The problem really begins at 25 when your too big for sprag and you dont have people leveling for thid to team with.

 

[rose]

Playing a character in PvE is totally different to PvP so I dont see your argument.

After all you can press your taunt button if you want in PvP but it will do feck all . And that is all tanks should do in an XP grp, there is no room for fancy styles in PvE (before the focus crap), fancy styles get the support classes killed. So I still dont understand you .

Check out this thread and tell me if you see taunt on any of the hero quickbars

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=88473

The real learning starts when you venture into RvR which I tend to do at 50. Though I do play in the BG1 area when I hit 24.

 

[old.Gillaien]

First you learn how to play your char as such. Every char is different, and thus has to be played differently. Theres more than just the styles to learn, its how to use them, to get used to backup styles, and that requires more than just an hour or 2 of duels. You learn how strong the char is, how much you can take, how efficient moose is (for hero) and when to use it, when to switch from LW to shield or back in a duel fight, etc etc

So you might not see my point, but I have a good reason for what I am saying. And besides, I have seen a lot of PLed heros and other tanks in RvR, and they suck 10 times more than those from earlier days that had just finished lvling to 50 and did their first runs. Because they at least were familiar with their class, and didn't have to learn their character AND RvR at the same time.

 

[hiane]

Give me a shout ingame I have a Lvl 23 warden Lanny and a lvl 22 animist called theralath who will group with you np.

Cheers

 

[rose]

First you learn how to play your char as such. Every char is different, and thus has to be played differently. Theres more than just the styles to learn, its how to use them, to get used to backup styles, and that requires more than just an hour or 2 of duels. You learn how strong the char is, how much you can take, how efficient moose is (for hero) and when to use it, when to switch from LW to shield or back in a duel fight, etc etc

So you might not see my point, but I have a good reason for what I am saying. And besides, I have seen a lot of PLed heros and other tanks in RvR, and they suck 10 times more than those from earlier days that had just finished lvling to 50 and did their first runs. Because they at least were familiar with their class, and didn't have to learn their character AND RvR at the same time.

Ok but u dont learn any of this in PvE, and certainly not in groups. As any good group tank (old school players, prior focus crap) will tell you. There was one button we all pressed and it was taunt If I used moose something went wrong usually pressed wrong button lol, or some1 didnt taunt right or pulled stupid big mob.

The topic title is specifically talking about XP groups, not soloing (which does use styles more) and certainly not dueling.

 

[old.Gillaien]

Its about anything different from PL, actually. But nm, if you like PLing so much then go for it, I won't, and maybe some will understand it. If not, I don't really care either...

 

[rose]

its not that I like PL I hate it takes too long imo Its just more bearable than XPin.

For example Im currently PLin my first character, a NS, theres no way I could get my NS to 50 anytime soon without PL. NS rightly or wrongly are shunned in groups. So even if I wanted to xp the group way, I would not have the option.

 

[cercela]

ya sucks that there is no one to group with.

Why my BM cant get past 30, everyone i message is either fg, focus pulling, or getting PLed

I'm crafting a lot but im usually up for a group.

 

[uncle_sal]

Hi Gill... we could team up sometime with our alts... got druid, warden, manachanter, voider, ns... 20-24¨ish... i mostly try to level them none primetime and RvR on peak hours, but maybe we can work something out... Dispa started a na druid aswell...

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

about the not spending enough time in pve thing, consider this scenario:-

after 15 days /played

Player A). Powerlevel to 50 in 3 days, 12 playtime in rvr.

Player B). Soloed/exped to 50 in 12 days playtime, 3 days in rvr.

Which one is better in rvr....

less pve = more rvr = stronger rvr character for the /played?

 

[old.Gillaien]

Boni, you see this from the wrong side. Question must be:

How bad does the PLed char suck in those 12 days of RvR? I can tell you, a LOT more than the one that XPed the normal way.

 

[spankya]

Poor Gill

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Gillaien
Boni, you see this from the wrong side. Question must be:

How bad does the PLed char suck in those 12 days of RvR? I can tell you, a LOT more than the one that XPed the normal way.

I agree, yeah they really suck to begin with, ive 'accidentaly' pl people too fast and seem them enter RVR without a clue. But now these people have more experience in rvr, and arent still stuck on the exp grind I dont regret it one bit.

From personal experience I found that rvr playstyle is so different from pve that anyone who gets to 50 without doing a serious amount of BG is gonna be a complete noob anyway, so may as well get them there and learning how to run the hell away from savages as soon as you can.

This is especially true of classes like bard, mage, healer, its a whole different game. All you really learn in pve is how to use your weapon chains and im sure that doesnt take more than a few hours soloing yellows.

 

[cercela]

unless you get a PLed bard that thinks ae lul is me mess....


and yes I've heard it happen before.

I'm ok with PLing someone all the way to 50 if they already have a 50. But personally when you PL someone that has never played before, they cant move as freely etc.

but i agree that pve is a lot different then rvr as mobs = stupid.... and alb = almost as stupid

 

[Sleet]

Past week i have mainly been alting with 20s-30s as i cant play for long periods atm. Yet to struggle to find or start a group.

Maybe your trying at awkward times?

Or patience? If i have started a group it hasnt happened within 5 mins, but with perserverence theres plenty of people up for xping.


And no..... none of my past week chars have been either a chanter bard or druid or ment.

 

[Cloak_]

Gil pls pm what sorta times you play,

Im sure I got a char that can XP with you

 

[Faeldawn]

Started a group the other day in CM, i was 2-3 lvls higher that the other characters i assembled, as were the other 2 tanks, from the LFG flag list (took about an hour to make the group) After 2 pulls the chanter, mana ment, mana chanter, bard and druid decide they dont want the 3 tanks and disband to make another group!

Worst thing about this?....i dont blame them

 

[Nemlius]

PM me in game Gill ill do some exp with ya

 

[sharon_corr]

Hello Yargan.

I can only agree with you... in part. I levelled Laurelyn (my spearoine) in Sprag Den in a night's playtime together with another spear hero and some random people who popped in.

It was the most fun pve experience i had so far. Either of us was taunting and the other one was standing in the back doing the positionals. We had quite a LOT of fun using the parry reactionary. With my... limited, ok i admit... experience, i have found that taunt-only tanks tend to get a bit sloppy and... dull. I mean, where's the fun being a one-button-one-hit wonder. Where's the reactionary styles? I mean, they're there for a reason, arent they? Also if you have more tanks on a single mob (and you can switch the taunter every pull, can you?) the others can have some fun with side positionals since they usually do a bit more damage AND have a bit more utility (read: interesting effects) than your average green-hue taunt hit.

I'm not saying pve is too fun. It gets quite boring after a while too, i give you that. But here's my list of reasons why i would join an xp group: 1) you get to know people. new people, from other servers/realms or alts of people you already know. You chat about different things, and before you know it you ding! 2) you get drops. and i bet there's a damn few of you who know and have ALL the SD drops in their back pocket with 3 copies in your vault for future alts! 3) You learn stuff. like what styles look like, what endurance each style costs. when to use a particular style. which style to use as backup to what style... and so on. Just immagine the ugly spraggon in your face is a lame Briton Guardian and you're already hitting a bit faster!

Also i'd say there are quite a few players in the 20 - 24 range which would be happy to group. Me included actually, since i'd enjoy playing a BG bardie again so... see you around sometime

 

[ilaya]

without pve skill u aint ever gonna get the nice stuff like wpns from galla..

nor or u gonna be in a position to help your fellow guildies get to 50 in first place.

u need to strike a balance.

HoF will refuse to pl a first char. simply because we believe its important to know just how much effort it takes, not just on the xping side, but on the items side, and the cash side of things.

it does breed a better type of player at the end.. and thats what we want in hib, better players, not through their damn spec or class, but because they wanna play, and because they got determination. without this, may as well remove hibernia.

 

[Sable]

...ok. I'm one of those strange people with too much /played to shake a stick at, who -likes- small pve groups, and who really, really hates big-boy RvR. So just an observation:

Tanks who ignore positionals are simply gimping themselves. I've lost count of how many times a stun-on-positional has kept a mob (or an enemy) off a caster long enough for a healer to get a life-saving cast off. Hinder -styles aren't as dramatic, but add up to the same thing, and damage is damage. Generally positionals/reactionaries do up to twice the damage of a simple taunt, for half the end cost. Maybe this doesn't count for as much if you only play in a "balanced" group ... but half the time I think the concept of balanced groups hurts the game as much as pl'ing. It's not once or even five times I've had a warden, the sole healer in the group, refuse to heal "because that's a druid's job -- I provide bubble" ... or seen a mana chanter rush in to pb, and then die, because no healer can match a fg of pissed albs.

Half the time soloing and unconventional groups (try ns+bard+mana-ment for a laugh ...) teach more about survival and making the most of your class than any amount of regular xping, let alone pl.

That much said ... Gill, I got a few 24'ish experiments I could break out when I'm not roleplaying.

 

[sharon_corr]

Amen to that, sister!