When the respec comes...

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Ensceptifica

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I'm currently specced:

Nurture 47
Blades 39
Regrowth 20
Parry 14

I'm thinking of respeccing to:

Nurture 49 (for max energy and spirit buff)
Regrowth 35 (2nd strongest heal,self health regen, self end reduction)
Blade 18 (Fire blade; only other style I ever use is the 39 spectrum blade, and in the lag / spam it often fails)
Parry 19 (5% + 19x0.5% = 14.5% parry)

This will enhance my defense quite a bit. I'm not sure how dropping blades from 39->18 will affect my damage though. My damage output is crap already, and although I don't mind lacking styles past Fire blade, I would mind doing less damage.

Comments welcome ( :
 
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Tyka

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Nice one, always liked a warden that have good heals, since their dmg output is not the best i rather want them to put bubble on and heal. Saves my elf ass alot :/ Btw if i was you, drop parry, but i dont know much about wardens.
 
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Ensceptifica

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The points now put into parry would be kind of wasted in any other spec imho. Unless ofcourse having more in blades not only gives more (useless) styles, but also more dmg.

With self haste, self end regen/dmg add/bubble (all 3 insta), self ability/resist buffs and self end reduction, wardens are very good tanks (with hitpoints about equal to a champion). But basically, I need to know if dropping blades will cost me more than just the styles.
 
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Tyka

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How about

45 nurture,
42 regrowth,
18 blades/blunt,
14 Parry,

thats how i would spec my warden, very groupfriendly. And unless u can get some stun/high dmg in your weapons i would not spec them high, rather help ppl that deal the dmg ;)
 
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Tyka

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Bah i dunno shit about wardens, ask kelem, dach, etc ;)
 
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old.Squash

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Respeccing

Well I was actually thinking of respeccing my Warden to 39 Blades/49 Nurture/4 Regrowth/20 Parry, being more a fighter warden.

Currently 39 Blades/47 Nurture/16 Reg/18 Parry.

My heals will suck and realm mates will probably hate me, and this is my main concern. Just because you can heal people kinda expect you to heal, even if they are useless.

When I got the fire/spectrum in PvE I really noticed a diffence having the attack speed reduction and in RvR with a crafted blade I hit for about 70-80ish styled which is enough to give a caster some hassle or assist a tank. I do use the chain quite a bit in RvR.

I dont know what your damage would be, but i'm sure a few bards could hazard a guess as were on the same damage table.

It seems that Wardens wont get that much in way of melee inprovements so a lot are going the more healer Warden type spec, and I guess this is a good option, if you get some serious power regenning RA's of course and you enjoy the more healing type role.
 
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Ensceptifica

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Afaik most encountered warden spec is nurture 45, regrowth 16, blades 44 and rest in parry.

I have nurture at 47 now and love the self attack speed buff. I also love the resist buffs, and nurture 49 will give me better ones (spirit and energy 24% instead of 16%; body is already at 24%).

I also love the diverse playing styles that a warden has to offer, and since most wardens focus so little on regrowth (I don't know a single warden who specs in regrowth instead of blades/blunts, and I certainly don't know any warden who has no 6-sec bubble), it got me wondering why... so far regrowth spec seems to offer some pretty fancy stuff (nobody cares for health regen and end reduction, but then nobody has the high level ones).
 
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Armolas

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Alya, have a word in-game with Healer, he has an above average Regrowth spec as far as I am aware.
 
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<Harle>

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My current spec is:
Nurture 48
Regrowth 26
Blades 34
Parry 14

With respec i will drop parry 4 points to get Nurture to 49 for the last resist-buff, which i really think is worth getting, especially with the changes to these buffs in the upcoming patch ( no more conc-based, but on a timer).
With 26 regrowth i heal for a steady 277 with my spec-heal, which will rise to about 300ish with the fixes to hibernian healing in the next patch, which should be good enough to save some groupmates in the right situation.
34 blades gives me the revenging-blade style (use from behind) and even though positional-styles have a reputation for not being useable i use this style a lot when i do my jb of chasing down the last invader with my endless sprint ;)

If you consider dropping blades to 18 i think you might aswell drop it to 6, since taunting-blade does about the same damage as fire-blade form my experience, or drop blades alltogether and use a staff in combat. Since you can't spec in staff your damage would be calculated as if you were half-spec, and with the self-haste you should even be able to hit fast and do a good amount of damage... ;)
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by &lt;Harle&gt;
, or drop blades alltogether and use a staff in combat. Since you can't spec in staff your damage would be calculated as if you were half-spec, and with the self-haste you should even be able to hit fast and do a good amount of damage... ;)
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Ya I heard Delura make a similar remark today, I'll go find a staff somewhere and check out the dmg it does ( ;
 
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<Harle>

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica


Ya I heard Delura make a similar remark today, I'll go find a staff somewhere and check out the dmg it does ( ;
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/em points at signature
/em chuckles
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by &lt;Harle&gt;


/em points at signature
/em chuckles
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lol, hadn't noticed ( ; Hi Delura :p Had no idea you were the same person ( ;


Btw, Merbos was friendly enough to lend me a qua 98% 15.6 dps staff (effective dps above my Soul Reaver), and it did about half the dmg I do now on each hit, PLUS it's twice as slow. Its damage is purely based on Dex I heard, which is crap too seeing I have max str but not that much Dex. And last but not least: I won't be able to use my über shield and will lose a lot of nice bonuses from my sword and shield.

Oh yeah, and taunting blade lowers my own defense, which is why I prefer using fireblade over taunting blade.

Conclusion: I'm sticking to blades 39. Guess I won't be respeccing after all : / Still with the next patch, warden's heal gets beefed up a bit, bubble is made insta and resist buffs become group chants or something... so I won't have to respec to notice an improvement ( ;

I'll test respec on Gorre as soon as I can.
 
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lofff

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when respec comes am gonna respec to 50shield 50parry 6trusth rest valor.
And respec RAs to mastery of blocking and parrying...

thx
 
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old.DachraK

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The respec thingy is gonna be hard indeed for a warden. So I'll be doing a lot of testing on Gorre. Specially cause (base) healing and parry are getting major changes in 1.52.

My current specline is:
Nurture 49
Regrowth 26
Blade 34
Parry 10

Maybe I'll keep this but there are 2 more options that I consider.

Option 1:
Nurture 49
Regrowth 2
Blade 39 (with items you can make it to 50)
Parry 20

Option 2:
Nurture 49
Regrowth 35
Blade 18
parry 19

The combination of our manapool and 6sec bubble makes us not a very good healer though. The heals are good, but you can only do a few. I also play my warden solo a lot. A high regrowth is worthless in those situations. So I am still not sure what to do....Gorre will tell me.
 
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<Harle>

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Ok, forgot the fact that staff-damage is dex-based only, so I'll throw the staff-warden-idea far far away ;)

btw, nice spec there Dachrak ( i mean the current one :p )


(off-topic: anyone know where i can change my forum-alias ? those brackets in my name seem to make quotes from me look kind of silly namewise...)
 
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exc_hib_boo

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If you drop blades to 18 you will get bigger variance on the hits.

Say you got 39 blades now it should be about 45 with items, that gives you almost no variance.

(At 50 blades with items you do 100-125% damage)

With 18 blades you will basically have half-spec (with items) which means your hits will do more like 50-100% of max damage per hit. Not accounting style bonus, half-spec is what the non-spec classed get for dmg, ie healers, clerics and druids (did I forget any?). (No styles makes the enemy block/parry a whole lot more though).
 
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Gad_Fene

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It all depends on how you want to play your warden.

I experimented quite a lot with different ways of hadndling myself in RvR before I decided on my final spec of

Nurture 47
Regrowth 26
Blades 35
Parry 14

I tried out running in with the tanks and assisting or targetting casters/healers, and I tried out hanging back with the finger wagglers healing an a mixture of both and I found out that if I;

1) Charge in with the tanks. I die real fast. I just dont have the HP to survive long enough to make an appreciable contribution if I go in on the initial charge. Not only that, but by dying I deprive the tanks of my PBT or damage add, and all my buffs go away in an instant. Also I still have a full mana bar which is a crime for any healer.

2) Hang back and heal. Worked well. the tanks appreciated the heals, and everyone loves the bubble. Trouble was you run out of mana so fast :( .

In the end I found that I could be best used stopping with the casters and healing until I had just enough mana for another bubble pulse, then using MCL and charging into the fray. I can still hit even con casters and assassins for up to 150 or so, so I dont consider my melee to be that gimped! This worked pretty well for me so I upped my healing for more efficient use of mana and kept blades pretty high.

I am thinking of upping healing some more when I can respec to get:

Nurture 49
Regrowth 33 (IMO an extra 2 is not worth it for the 4th HP regen)
Blades 29 (or 25)
Parry 3 (or 14)

Much better heals and the 3rd end reduction, which means more styles. I am hoping will offset some of the increased damage variance in melee damage. I just need to find a truckload of +blades items now, or wait for spellcrafting I suppose. I have got the 3rd health regen too, which I always thought looks rather nice even if it is useless.

Can't decide whether to go Blade 29 and sacrifice some defence to get a little more damage output, or drop blade to 25 to keep parry up.

Sorry about the length of this post, but my fingers just wouldn't shut up :)
 
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old.Thanatlos

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My current spec is:
46 nurture
39 blades
26 regrowth
5 parry

My spec is gonna be:
49 nurture (with changes to resist buffs worth specing in)
42 regrowth (best heal)
6 blades (taunt)
6 blunt (taunt)10 parry

That way I can burn my endurance with weapons appropriate for my enemies once I do face them
Plenty of endurance to burn due to high regrowth, high nurture adds the nice haste to swing often.

Won't hit for much but I can swing loads with styles (interruption duty :) )

Will have really nice heals and buffs..
Parry gets nice results with RAs and such

Will probably get MCL III and serenity II to counter mana drain
 
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Shrekward

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Hm... Most wardens here wanna make heal-buff spec..
I don't wanna same :)
I like support warden role as support healer and support tank also. If you wanna be good healer you must choice a Druid char. I have now gimped spec (uniqe one I think :))

N - 45
Regr - 4
Blunt - 39
Parry - 29

I think, when warden will got group heal (1.52) it will be more usefull then all other heal in combat.

After respec I like:
N-45
Regr - 14
Blunt - 44
Parry - 13

I just wanna more fun for me, I will have good dmg with master of pain spec, I will got self decraise fatique from style buff, self heal regen buff, also not very bad skill in parry (with master of parry RA) (like Stunning blow style after parry). I still as support healer, and as very good tank assist, I can fast take down enemy casters, I can stay Vs enemy tank with 50/50 chance to win.

I have to say again I like combat warden, and if any1 like this too I think it's best template for it.

P.S> Sorry for my english is not really my main one.
 
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Anu

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If only i had some ikkle styles :D

Btw i know this is all about Wardens but i'd like a opinion..

The final spec on my Druid at lvl 50 is heading towards this :-

Nurture : 30
Regrowth : 40 (100% rez :clap: )
Nature : 20

^^ Is that a good spec or has any1 better ideas :p
 
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old.Squash

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Afaik most encountered warden spec is nurture 45, regrowth 16, blades 44 and rest in parry.
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Well for a blade user I probably wouldnt suggest a Warden going 44 blades. The 44 style is the end of a three style chain based on a block, as Wardens dont block that much and no Mastery of Blocking the chances of blocking and getting the chain off are probably pretty remote. I'd rather stick to 39 blades and grab the last haste which over time will probably do just as much if not more damage. In addition you can probably get your blades up via other means. For blunt though i'd say 44 style is viable although i'd be pretty reluctant to give up that last haste to get it, afterall the last haste is available to all styles.

Shrek is right, there are a lot of people who are speccing their Warden up for some healing, I guess I started my Warden to have a diverse playing style and to help out where I could, a druid or a tanks assistant if you like, and of course doing my bubble bot thing. Druids heal and they are the best at it, Tanks hit things and are the best at it. As far as I can see the regrowth line doest offer much to a Warden, if it had more going for it i'd probably advocate the use of that line more.

I'm not saying that speccing up for healing is wrong, i'd love to have some better heals, and a Warden backing up effectively is very useful! Its just for me it doesnt suit the way I want to play and the reasons why I started a Warden.
 
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Anu

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Me personally have never looked at a warden as a healer.

I see them as a bubbleboy/tank assist.

Healing at end of fight yeah.. and maybe 3rd backup healer behind a bard. :)
 
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FredaOfAxiom

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Look at ppls suggestions and create a respec u hope will be good ... THEN!!! When Gorre moves to English gimp your char there first. My druid works great as she is atm so Im gonna try Gorre as a JIC :)
 
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