What's your political alignment?

[Sigurd]

Liberal Democrat? Conservative? Communuist? Facist? Anarchist? Socialist? Other? Do share... :touch:

Disclaimer: Please use your political viewpoints responsibly.

 

[Gumbo]

Can open, worms everywhere....

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Hmm, dinner.

 

[leggy]

Apolitical.

Although I am against the harming of small puppies. Cats can die though.

 

[Mofo8]

I'm 34 years old, and have always voted for the Scottish Nationalist Party... I'm starting to switch my alliegance to the SSP (Scottish Socialist Party).

Both parties support full independence for "Scotchland" But the SSP are a wee bit more honest in their intentions to tax the rich fuckers till they bleed and run away screaming.

I don't know how how your lot think in "Engerland".... Do you have a credible alternative to Tony?

 

[SAS]

To be honest nothing. Society is screwed and no political party is clean, they are there for themselves, and if there is one leader out there who does care about the people they will find themselves not doing well in the poles or being so twisted by the crap that goes on that nothing will get done because their hands will be tied.

Society is breaking down and as a society we are de-evolving. (look at the number of biting insidences during bar fights listed in the national news papers, the thug element, the selfishness of people closing themselves off from others I could go on).

I'm a happy guy really, just my view on the state of the world today :/

 

[SilverHood]

A socialistic democratic neo-nazi who believes in some marxist ideals.

Uhm, yeah.... seriously though, I'm probably a socialist more than aything else.

Mofo8, there's no real credible voting alternative to Tony Blair in my opinion....
If Ken Livingston ran for PM, I'd vote for him, regardless of party.

 

[Ch3tan]

A 17 year old got shot in Thornton Heath on the London Road. 5 minutes from where I live. Drug raids keep happeneing all over the place, but yet drug deals are openly going on everywhere. Kids /the youth have no respect or sense of responsibility and are getting increasingly violent and stupid.

No government is going to change that. So I suppose I'm with SAS. When it comes time to vote I vote for the least idiotic person, whatever party they represent.

Maybe we need a BR act like in Battle Royale.

 

[Munkey]

Socialist i'd like to be.

But I'm much rather a capitalist.........but the party that appeals most to me are the Lib Dems.

So I'd say i followed the Lib Dems.

 

[mank!]

www.bnp.org.uk
England for the English!

 

[Frizz]

My father labels me in the same vein as Joseph Stalin.

:/

 

[old.user4556]

I'm a Marxist Leninist

 

[Tom]

I think you'll find as many scrotes in history as you do today, nothing changes much.

Personally, I tend to vote for the candidate who I think can do the most for me, whoever that might be.

 

[Jupitus]

I think you'll find as many scrotes in history as you do today, nothing changes much.

Wrong.

Parental attitudes have led to a swelling in youth crime and parents not taking responsibility to educate and discipline their kids are commonplace.

This is a massive change from when I was young. Teenage pregnancy is rife leading to a catch22 where the people raising kids themselves dont have the maturity to see what raising kids entails, and they fail to pass on a lack of respect of people's property or any sense of values.

Call me old fashioned, but if you ask me society in this country is going to shit.

On topic: The politicians are in it for themselves, the different parties just position themselves against the others on policies because 'it's the done thing' regardless of whether the policy is good or bad... utter bollox.

 

[old.user4556]

I agree with Jup,

My girlfriend's little sister (who is 14) gets away with blue murder; she swears in her parents' face, leaves the place a total tip, is a totally obnoxious and cheeky little shite. Her parents do fuck all about it. She's gradually getting away with more and more shit to the extent she knows she won't get in trouble for it. It was never nipped in the bud, because "shouting is bad".

If i spoke to my parents like that 10 years ago when I was 14, my dad would have leathered me purple and that would have been the end of it.

G

 

[Cask]

The chavs are taking over!

 

[Tom]

Wrong.

Statisically, the chances of the average person becoming a victim of crime are at a 20-year low. However, the general awareness and fear of crime is at a high.

You don't ever see newspapers reporting on the 'SUPERB BEHAVIOUR OF PUPILS' in the vast majority of schools in the country. I asked my Dad once about school in his day (40's), and he told me there were always the children who would talk back to the teachers, and laugh when being caned.

Go back further, to the turn of the century and before, and you have children being recruited into organised crime.

Nothing changes, except our perceptions. You disagree? How many parents today are terrified of letting their kids go and play in the nearest forest because of paedophiles? Yet they are no more at risk than they were 50 years ago. How many parents drive their kids to school, because they believe 'the roads are worse'?

 

[JingleBells]

Nationally: Conservatives, BNP have some good ideas, but far too many NF skinheads, just reduce immigration and i'll be happy

Locally: Liberals (No Lib Dems here), or conservative, currently there is "Health Concern" in charge, a one policy party (trying to save our hospital) who are arguably the worst council ever, all they seem to be able to do is vote in pay rises and demolish much needed car parks.

I'm basically a capitalist who can't stand socialists/anarchists/environmental campaigners/animal rights campaigners or labour for that matter

Roll on June elections

 

[Summo]

Statisically, the chances of the average person becoming a victim of crime are at a 20-year low. However, the general awareness and fear of crime is at a high.

You don't ever see newspapers reporting on the 'SUPERB BEHAVIOUR OF PUPILS' in the vast majority of schools in the country. I asked my Dad once about school in his day (40's), and he told me there were always the children who would talk back to the teachers, and laugh when being caned.

Go back further, to the turn of the century and before, and you have children being recruited into organised crime.

Nothing changes, except our perceptions. You disagree? How many parents today are terrified of letting their kids go and play in the nearest forest because of paedophiles? Yet they are no more at risk than they were 50 years ago. How many parents drive their kids to school, because they believe 'the roads are worse'?

I totally agree with Tom on every count here. My belief for years is that society as a whole has not deteriorated, but peoples perception of it has. The media today is far more sensationalist than is was even a generation ago. People will always harck back to a 'Golden Age' when the truth it that age never existed.

Read and re-read what Tom has written and spread his word!

 

[Tom]

Nationally: Conservatives, BNP have some good ideas, but far too many NF skinheads, just reduce immigration and i'll be happy

Oh right, you mean reduce the immigration, and reduce the ability of this country to pay for the welfare of its future pensioners? Because we're not making enough babies here!

If any females reading this agree, and want babies, pm me

 

[Summo]

But that said I have a friend who's been a teacher for 4-5 years and has said confidently that pupils behaviour has deteriorated over that time. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. Maybe thats not evidence of a nationwide trend.

Also, I believe parents should be allowed to smack their kids. Come down hard on genuine abuse, of course, but a short sharp smack to 'nip it in the bud' I totally agree with.

How are you supposed to to convey to a lippy, unresponsive child that punching his sister is wrong? Really? So a smack is out. That leaves words. Are you supposed to reason with an angry child using some kind of counselling technique? Form a round table? Are you supposed to verbally frighten a child until he understands definitively that what he did was wrong? Isn't that emotional cruelty? So what the fuck are you supposed to do?

 

[JingleBells]

Oh right, you mean reduce the immigration, and reduce the ability of this country to pay for the welfare of its future pensioners? Because we're not making enough babies here!

IMO, there is a big difference between legal and illegal immigrants, indeed we do need them to help hold our service based economy together, but there is a relatively high percentage of immigrants who simply disappear into communities, and don't put anything back into the country.

On the issue of the media hyping everything up, if we are not careful we will end up being like the media portrayed in "Bowling for Columbine", one which greatly exaggerates 'bad' news, read the headlines for the UK news and at least 60% of the stories are likely to be about muggings/shootings and other types of crime, its no wonder people are fearful

 

[Frizz]

So what the fuck are you supposed to do?

Military school should be compulsory. Fuck around in the army, and you get fucked. Royally.






That is, if money was no object. :/

 

[dysfunction]

I totally agree with Tom on every count here. My belief for years is that society as a whole has not deteriorated, but peoples perception of it has. The media today is far more sensationalist than is was even a generation ago. People will always harck back to a 'Golden Age' when the truth it that age never existed.

Read and re-read what Tom has written and spread his word!

I also completely agree with Tom.

As you have said the news just analyses everything in such minute detail you are swamped with news of every kind of deviant behaviour.

 

[Tom]

IMO, there is a big difference between legal and illegal immigrants, indeed we do need them to help hold our service based economy together, but there is a relatively high percentage of immigrants who simply disappear into communities, and don't put anything back into the country.

Fair point, although we're not a service based economy, we're an industrial economy. Relating to what I said above, I don't think the 'problem' of immigration is anything like on the scale it really is. When papers like the Daily Mail tell us that 'AS MANY AS 500 000 IMMIGRANTS OVER NEXT 10 YEARS!!!!', what they neglect to mention is the number of people emigrating during that time, and they also casually ignore the number of children that will be born of UK citizens during the same period.

http://www.gad.gov.uk/Publications/Demography_and_Statistics.htm

I don't agree with your comment about not 'putting anything back'. If they're illegal, they have no access to any of our free services. They can't buy a house, they can't legally obtain work, they can't use the NHS, they can't claim benefits. So what do they cost us? Crime? Don't make me laugh.

 

[JingleBells]

Fair point, although we're not a service based economy, we're an industrial economy...

My fault there, what I was meant, was that without immigration, jobs such as taxi driving, takeaway operating, cleaning, factory labour and other less desirable jobs would grind to a halt.

...I don't agree with your comment about not 'putting anything back'.

My fault again, i meant those immigrants that are legal, but have no intention of learning our culture/language, and thus in my opinion, are not adding anything to our country.

As for the birth rate going down, if we are not careful, we will reach a point similar to what Sweden and Germany are in now, where death rates are higher than birth rates, leaving an aging population (DTM level 5 if your a geography student). Several other european countries are beginning to find themselves in this situation, and are trying to come up with means to raise the birth rate, mostly in the form of financial benefits, such as the scheme Gordon Brown has for tax free lump sums for new babies.

 

[SilverHood]

I'm an immigrant I add abselutely nothing to the UK economy, I get cheap tuition fees because I'm an EU national.... and when I'm done with Uni, I'm going back to Denmark. Well, not really.

Denmark currently has an even bigger immigration problem than England has.... 10% of the population of Denmark is made up of immigrants. That's 1 in 10 not being Danish. And they all tend to live in Ghettos, and most aren't willing to intergrate into society. And if you think the BNP are bad, there's actually a (Neo)Nazi party in Denmark, believe it or not.

So I'll stay in this spiffing country, for a while anyway.

I do think problem with school kids are getting worse - there's a complete lack of respect for people's property.... guys I went to school with would break stuff for no other reason that they could, and no one was going to stop them, or tell them off. On the bus home from school, some kids would throw eggs, flour, butter or whatever sticky material they had at hand at each other. While in the bus. Bus driver can't even throw them off, he has to call police, and police can't do anything since they're under 16.


And Tom, illegal immigrants earn money, but aren't taxed - if someone legal was working in that job, he'd be paying tax, which would benefit us all (atleast, in theory).

 

[ArrrImmaPir8!]

I'm libertarian to the utmost;

• 100% free trade "capitalism"
• Central government delt only powers that are absolutely necessary for it to control
• All lifestyle policies determined on an extremely local scale
• A lifestyle should never be prevented from existing, as long as it does not infringe on another's lifestyle

 

[Noita]

J.S Mill "On Liberty"

As soon as any political party embraces Mill's social theories they'll get my vote... til then they can all fuck off and burn in Hell the hypocritical bastards.

Re Politics: I used to think that we lived in a Democracy, and I used to think that our "Western Democratic Nations" were led by the greatest Democracy of all... the USA. Of course I didnt believe in everything that either we or they did or stood for but I had faith in their staunch upholding of Democratic values and the rule of law - I no longer have that faith and for a practicing lawyer that is somewhat problematic! I now believe that the US is and the UK is becoming (to a lesser extent) elected capitalist dictatorships.

Re Crime: Agreed, our perception of crime is a lot higher now than it ever was... rather... our percetion of those crimes that the media want us to be aware of ie. be afraid of, is much higher than it ever was. However, regardless of perception and awareness crime IS rising in the UK - in 1995 there were 3,746,862 recorded crimes in the UK of all kinds with a clean up rate of 27% - in 2001 there were 5,170,843 recorded crimes with a clean up rate of just 24%. In countries like Finland, Ireland, and Denmark crime of all types actually fell in that same period. Most crime though is "Crime against property" and as such "seems" to be lower priority for the Police as, rightly or wrongly they figure theres an insurance company somewhere who will put things right.

 

[jas_k1]

i used to vote SNP as well just for the scots part but i wouldn't bother now.

They have 4 years to line their pockets and that's what they do.

I think it would be great if there weren't any parties and mp's were voted in depending on their personal beliefs.

ie If I stand for election wanting to save some trees then i ain't gonna back a motorway or housing scheme through a forrest even if my party is getting a nice wad of cash from TARMAC and BARRETT.

Independant candidates rule