whats the point?

[Kougar]

whats the point in daoc really? i mean.. ive just read about 12 or 13 posts, all complaining about various features.. be it toa,.. rvr.. lvling.. artis.. stealth lore and incredibly hard artifact lvling. mythic want to keep us intrested in this game right..purly for the purpose of filling their coffers.. i mean they encourage buff bots for the precice reson it brings more pennies in. mythic.. goa.. whoever the fucks in charge... its a mess, they want us to stay in the game and enjoy ourselves yet the provide nothing but evey means and oppertunity to fuck us over. nerf this nerf that.. I cant help but think t were all trapped in a vicious circle of shit and i really dont remember where i even came in anymore

 

[Roadie]

rvr is fun!

 

[Traxxx]

whats the point?



dunno about u ppl but the point for me playing this is to relax a bit from my real life, if u realy feel sad/angry when u log on ... simply dont log on .
go collect stamps or whatever make u happy


and for the whine post just remember the ppl that post stuff are normaly the angry once the happy ppl just play as they always has.

 

[Awarkle]

The thing you got to remember is this.

Unhappy customers will tell everyone they are unhappy.
Happy customers have no reason to tell people they are happy

Toa is fun but only because it was new TOA killed alts because after people did a ML for say 5 hours straight they didnt want to do it again.

Rvr is fun but only for people who roll specific classes twink them out and group with other like minded people.

Buffbots are a necesity for those people who like the edge against everyone else, i wouldnt say they are required they are helpful and if you want to invest in one thats your choice.

Artifact leveling is anoying but the fact is artifacts are damn powerful if they were given away free all the time they wouldnt be worth the effort put into them. And the people whining about durability on artifacts are the ones that rvr 24 hours a day 7 days a week constantly in the same twinked out gear and frankly i think degraded artifacts are worth it because it stops people getting stagnated in the same UBAH twinked gear yes its crappy if you spent hours exping it up but the fact remains yuo shouldnt pve in artifacts unless your willing to loose them.

And as ive had my galladoria epic for nearly 2 years and its at 13% durability i really think people are pushing it

People whine i reckon that what half the fun of a mmorpg is most people need somthing to whine about so they pick somthing like this.

 

[vintervargen]

whining is phun!

 

[Dood]

they want us to stay in the game and enjoy ourselves

HUH?

where have u found this info??? givf link!!

 

[old.Whoodoo]

While I agree some things in ToA and NF suck beyond recognition, for the most the games design hasnt changed, its the people that have, they have become more demanding of the system, items etc. Lets take a little history lesson on DAoC and compare it to todays fotm players.

Pre DF.

Drops came from dungeons, Ill have to compare to Midgard, but you get the idea. Back in the old days (many many years ago etc etc), the best place to farm pre DF was Spindlehalla, the most camped place in the game. A few glowys dropped there, and we all wanted them, we didnt give a shit about qual, or resists for that fact, we just wanted them. High 30's would sell them to us lowbies at fairly reasonable prices as cash wasnt that easy to come by.

Pre SI.

Came Malmohus and its equivalent. Chain rained from the skies, still poor quality, but good stats and it was a claim to fame to say you had been there and survived. H and Lair became the place to be!

Pre PL.

Came SI, and the curse of spell crafting and alchemy. Suddenly Jordhiem was awash with exploding trolls, and a small table in the background became the focul point of everyone in the realm. Soon LGMs popped up, started raking in the cash and those without the patience to craft, farmed DF like mad for their ill gotten gains. Crafting prices were reasonable, and inflation set in. Spind was abandoned, Lair became less popular, and people started to get richer.

Pre ToA

Now we got greedy, PL4tehwin cried the realm, as PBAE groups found ways to make uber cash and power level alts till their penny dropped out of its place wedged in the 1 key. Suddenly cash became abundant and the power gamer could suddenly start charging many many plats for all his wares. The greedset took hold and showed everyone that itemz=plats and PLing was the only way to go. Everyone suddenly decided RvR was the endgame and there was little need to actually PvE and Toon and learn how to use it.

Pre NF

ToA put the PvE back into the game as an essential. Master levels and Artifacts took hours of slaying monsters, carrying out friverlous tasks and quests only doable by 15 full groups or one perfectly balanced. Camping spots became the norm, the greed got worse and now you could buy plats on Ebay if you couldnt afford the time to get cash anymore for that illusive arti. The worst side of everyone came out as green eyed monsters took possesion of their souls. Housing zones filled with items costing way over the head and wallet of mere casual players, left to play with their 99% crafted and laughed at by those who spent more time doing arti leveling than they did sleeping. More power leveing and cash farming than ever was don by power gamers and those left behind couldnt compete and either threatened to leave or actually did. But for most, theres no where to go, they have forgotten real life doesnt pay in plats.

New Frontiers.

The mindset gets worse, now not only chasing that illusive cash and artifact, now put a realm point on a fishing line, cast it into Odins gate and voila, fifteen infiltrators and twenty scouts will chase it, hooked on the concept of becoming the Arnold Schwartzenegger of DAoC. No longer is solo RvR plyable, its zerg or be zerged. More threat to quit, more keep saying that sad phrase "qq more n00b", more cash changes hands and in general, the mainstream start to get bored. Every one is over powered, everyone can earn more cash in one night than I earnt getting from 1 to 50, everyone has something that glows and f*cks you hard as they shove it up your arse - once every half second if they are a caster or from the next zone if they are a scout.

Next...Catacombes, will it being back the balance to the force, or did Luke Skywalker leave for SWG back in 1.64? WoW I think many will find grows more dull than DAoC every was, and ever will be. Soon the WoW section of FH will fill with the whines of those who choose that path only to find the grind is like never before.

Time will tell.

 

[Tsabo]

End of the day to GOA/Mythic etc, DaoC is how they make their living, how they use it to make money is down to them.

I'm sure that like wiht any business they will do plenty of research into what is best for the game and what will be most profitable.

TBH, I think DaoC is great at the moment. NF has given rvr a real boost making it more enjoyable for everyone apart from the 'leet' people that prefer to run fg vs fg fights which in all honesty they should be playing something like CS lol.

I've recently watched a Catacombs Alb walk through and it looks great.

Though I do agree with BB's, I wish we didnt have to use them.

 

[Tilda]

Nice post Whoodoo, I agree

 

[Jayce]

whats the point in daoc really? i mean.. ive just read about 12 or 13 posts, all complaining about various features.. be it toa,.. rvr.. lvling.. artis.. stealth lore and incredibly hard artifact lvling. mythic want to keep us intrested in this game right..purly for the purpose of filling their coffers.. i mean they encourage buff bots for the precice reson it brings more pennies in. mythic.. goa.. whoever the fucks in charge... its a mess, they want us to stay in the game and enjoy ourselves yet the provide nothing but evey means and oppertunity to fuck us over. nerf this nerf that.. I cant help but think t were all trapped in a vicious circle of shit and i really dont remember where i even came in anymore

Then leave.

 

[cemi0]

End of the day to GOA/Mythic etc, DaoC is how they make their living, how they use it to make money is down to them.

I'm sure that like wiht any business they will do plenty of research into what is best for the game and what will be most profitable.

TBH, I think DaoC is great at the moment. NF has given rvr a real boost making it more enjoyable for everyone apart from the 'leet' people that prefer to run fg vs fg fights which in all honesty they should be playing something like CS lol.

I've recently watched a Catacombs Alb walk through and it looks great.

Though I do agree with BB's, I wish we didnt have to use them.

Many ppl like FG vs FG fights tho. What ppl dont like is running into some RR10 optimized gankgrp.

 

[Flimgoblin]

whats the point in daoc really? i mean.. ive just read about 12 or 13 posts, all complaining about various features.. be it toa,.. rvr.. lvling.. artis.. stealth lore and incredibly hard artifact lvling. mythic want to keep us intrested in this game right..purly for the purpose of filling their coffers.. i mean they encourage buff bots for the precice reson it brings more pennies in. mythic.. goa.. whoever the fucks in charge... its a mess, they want us to stay in the game and enjoy ourselves yet the provide nothing but evey means and oppertunity to fuck us over. nerf this nerf that.. I cant help but think t were all trapped in a vicious circle of shit and i really dont remember where i even came in anymore

the point is it's fun

these (and indeed any other mmorpg) forums need a disclaimer:
WARNING: READING THESE FORUMS MAY DEPRESS YOU AND GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT THINGS WHICH ARE NOT BROKEN, ARE.

 

[Tzan]

DAoC was and still is a GREAT game. But it has become difficult ,for people that work much and want to have a descet real life, to play. It takes too much fucking time and some people simply can't afford it. It is an old game... that is why WoW will have such an appeal on people.

 

[Job]

Good post Wohoo

The sad thing is that DAOC actually mimics real life in a highly compressed timeline.

Bit depressing really, it's not like you can cancel your subs to life and start playing something new.

The BG's are the only place I can kill something, it's so funny to see me in RVR I have no fuckin clue what's going on.
Only saw my first Alligator player last week, those packs of dogs that are groups...I'm like WTF!!!

Bring the game back will ya, that's just silly.

DARK AGE OF ANY FREKIN WEIRD SHIT WE CAN THINK OF.

 

[rampant]

i love daoc and long may it last

i love TOA for the quests and the ml's and the arti's

i love SI for the interesting locations and dungeons and mobs

I love NF, cos it is great fun for rvr, epic battles are my bag baby!

I love the lag cos i dont get any (well i went ld once during an alb ml3 zerg raid)

I love my bb cos he gives me the ability to play by myself in TOA

I love FH for all the whinge threads - brightens up my day to see so many people whinge and whine

I hate housing cos every bloody thing i want to buy is in aylesbury and i have to get a horse from caerwent

apart from that ive got nowt else to say

 

[Brunore]

Addiction.

 

[Celery]

whats the point in daoc really? i mean.. ive just read about 12 or 13 posts, all complaining about various features.. be it toa,.. rvr.. lvling.. artis.. stealth lore and incredibly hard artifact lvling. mythic want to keep us intrested in this game right..purly for the purpose of filling their coffers.. i mean they encourage buff bots for the precice reson it brings more pennies in. mythic.. goa.. whoever the fucks in charge... its a mess, they want us to stay in the game and enjoy ourselves yet the provide nothing but evey means and oppertunity to fuck us over. nerf this nerf that.. I cant help but think t were all trapped in a vicious circle of shit and i really dont remember where i even came in anymore

Then you've answered your own question. If you aren't having fun in the game, why are you playing it ?

 

[Tzan]

i love daoc and long may it last

i love TOA for the quests and the ml's and the arti's

i love SI for the interesting locations and dungeons and mobs

I love NF, cos it is great fun for rvr, epic battles are my bag baby!

I love the lag cos i dont get any (well i went ld once during an alb ml3 zerg raid)

I love my bb cos he gives me the ability to play by myself in TOA

I love FH for all the whinge threads - brightens up my day to see so many people whinge and whine

I hate housing cos every bloody thing i want to buy is in aylesbury and i have to get a horse from caerwent

apart from that ive got nowt else to say

I love my real life...

 

[Tigersans]

Only one thing i h8 about DAOC is u choose a char choose an art spend ages to lvl it spend ages getting arti to final lvl etc then its all nerfed and uve wasted god knows how many days etc doing it.

When GOA design something for the game its should remain as designed if it was the nerfed version at start id not have wastd 6 months of my life doing it.

otherwise i love DAOC.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Only one thing i h8 about DAOC is u choose a char choose an art spend ages to lvl it spend ages getting arti to final lvl etc then its all nerfed and uve wasted god knows how many days etc doing it.

When GOA design something for the game its should remain as designed if it was the nerfed version at start id not have wastd 6 months of my life doing it.

otherwise i love DAOC.

The only character that really applies to is Necromancers. All other classes are now more viable than ever in the game, heck even my Thane is welcome once again in RvR and groups, something I never thought I would ever see again.

Necros are viable for 10 minutes, then their armour and weapons degrage so fast. Artifacts are useless on a necro too, you have to PvE artis in order to gain decent exp on them, RvR exp sucks on all but a few artis.

One hope I do have is that the FOTM and power cash farmers do sod off to WoW, then perhaps we'll stop ripping each other off for items we all want.

 

[Kougar]

dont get me wrong ive had and still do have great times in daoc, hell the people i meet rock. i just dont get why mythic constantly shoot themselvs in the foot over nerfing...no one can find lvling fun surely? . yeah ive been considering quitting, but in the end i know ill come back coz like i sed.. the peeps rock.

anyhows wasnt a flame as such, just an opinion

cheers for the input was blunt and useful

 

[Traxxx]

...no one can find lvling fun surely? ..


its part of most rp games .... and yes it can be fun .... sure insta 50 coud be fun ... as fun as counter strike .... if thats fun ....

 

[Helme]

...no one can find lvling fun surely? ..


its part of most rp games .... and yes it can be fun .... sure insta 50 coud be fun ... as fun as counter strike .... if thats fun ....

Have to agree, you must admit that your more proud of your characther when you worked long to get him to 50, rrxlx amount of artifacts and so on. RPG's are all about evolving your characther no fun in getting everything insta and free, you would't be playing for long if you got that. Just look at Gorre, was full every day for a week then <1200 people becouse they got bored of rolling classes and playing them.

 

[Oldfaravid]

Buffbots are a necesity for those people who like the edge against everyone else, i wouldnt say they are required they are helpful and if you want to invest in one thats your choice.

Im sorry to tell you this but a BB doesnt give you the "edge" against someone.. it rather helps you from being humiliated, twink your char how much you like it if you dont use a BB you´re gonna loose 99% of your encounters in RvR... With that said sure you can play a groupfriendly char and only run in groups(wich will provide you with the buffs) however soloing i wouldnt put my self in that agony..

 

[Siftwind]

hehe Whoodoo. Nice posts. Made me chuckle but so true at the same time.

Regards,
Sift.

 

[Roadie]

imo....

pre DF
was just getting into the game didnt have a clue what was going on everything was interesting and new

post DF
xp'n was fun if a little slow and started to become a grind, ae'n taskers to bits was fun gradualy working further down in df was fun and new. Thid was chaos. Duels were novel for a bit

SI
got some lv 50's wanted to get my hands on sidi gear, started to realise there were better ways of doing things with the right class combonations and that if i wanted to not get farmed in rvr i would need some SC when BO and MM handed my ass to me a few times.

Decided i wanted to actualy compete in fg rvr so decided to roll a mercenary as i realised it wasnt that hard to get 50 and get some 99% armor. Xp'n wasnt fun anymore tho i was still into getting funkey looking equipment and gimped my merc a bit by using 2 "lightsabres" (lsf's). Started rvr'n with my "fotm" merc and having alot of fun. Started to see what mistakes i had made in rvr before and how it had made me easy(er) meat.

Game lost its character as it drifted from the myths and legends from various cultures to fit in stuff making quests and epics only about the reward when before i had taken the time to read them.

Pre Toa (1.65)
heard alot of scary stuff about TOA decided i hated it before it had come out. RvR became very exciting and fun and i started trying to get pbae groups with my wiz as well as using my merc merc dinged rr5 and so did most of my mates who wernt already. Still novel fun stuff going on, remember playing hide and seek in camelot . For me this was the golden age of the game so far savages were a bit overpowered but alb had mele relics for 90% of the time so that ofset it alot, grouping with people you knew were good would let you compete with the dedecated rvr guilds only people who realy stood out and won 99% of fights against them were eclipse and everlast (and NP when they played). Just preTOA was the most fun i have ever had on any game, logging in trying different group setups always being able to kill something logging out a happy bunney. Only sucked when there were no clerics about xD. Loads of other people in the same position as me and groups became progressivly less hard to find.

TOA
Had no clue what was going on didnt know where to start and got frustrated and quit for a few mounths. Came back and decided i would kit out my wiz as i was informed (wrongly) that mele was out and casters were in. ML's were fun to start with but soon became dull and i decided i didnt rly wana do them so rolled a Sorc and got him some getto equipment with a few artis but that would let me rvr again. Had loads of fun mostly in small groups as not alot of albs about. Xp'n artis is a bit frustrating but rvr is still fun and new with my sorc. Comp sux a bit tho and occationaly get annoyed when i lag to much. Lack of ability to run a bot became an issue as it ment i have to leach buffs to solo which isnt fun but made a few friends just by asking for buffs and it wasnt that hard :>

NF
Hasnt been about very long nerfed my presious croc mode and moc and mcl so i have decided to improve my SC after i got lucky and happened to kill emeri and get cloudsong. To start with thought it was annoying with SI boat bug and the "leet" stupid realm rank guilds farming everything in the first week. Used my free respec to spec more body gimping me a bit for solo but making groups more fun. Started to not insta die vs decent groups again already. Loads of people out in rvr tho which is always fun and loads more guildys on than pre-NF so cant complain Buffs are a bit harder to leach now tho and lack of bot hurts a bit :<


Thats my view of the game so far tho its a little more personal than old.Whoodoo's but there isnt that much about the game that i dislike / have disliked that cant be either avoided or its effects or the time it takes minimalised. Only regrets are not rolling more classes in 1.65 when it was actualy pretty easy to have them up and rvr'n.

DARK AGE OF ANY FREKIN WEIRD SHIT WE CAN THINK OF.

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Have to agree, you must admit that your more proud of your characther when you worked long to get him to 50, rrxlx amount of artifacts and so on

Since power leveling became a fairly standard way of lv'n lv50 stopped realy meaning anything to me on my 3rd lv 50 as my 1st is totaly redundant and i never use him yet it took me longer to get 50 than any of the others.

 

[enigma]

I recommend any new player to stay as far away from forums as possible, it kills fun in daoc faster than you can say world of warcraft.

 

[Kougar]

kill the thread.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

...no one can find lvling fun surely? ..


its part of most rp games .... and yes it can be fun .... sure insta 50 coud be fun ... as fun as counter strike .... if thats fun ....

This reeks of ebaypointofview. Back in the old days, many many many years ago, before all the glowy sticks and fotms, we had great fun leveling, getting to know our limits, knowing other players, making exp groups, and exploring the unknown. Now you lot have it with an easy button. Gone are the days where we got to know a stranger, exped in non guild groups, didnt have to get on a list etc etc.

Leveling was a grind dont get me wrong, BUT because we all made new freinds, allies and enemies in the frontiers, it was entertaining.

Now, we onyl tend to go out in GGs, the sociable aspect of the game has quite gone to pot. And thats what made DAoC great. Most of you wont have a clue what Im on about, but when chars took 30 days to 50, rather than under 5, things were a lot more sociable.

 

[Flimgoblin]

well PvE _was_ the game for a lot more people then RvR was something you did for a laugh.

the "must be 50" mentality sucks though I'd have to say I've got it as well but not _too_ severely