What moron closed the thread Balanced game?

[jox]

I whined like a madman in the thread Balanced game, and I keep on here;

Another thing that proves that Mytix only cares about the money;
When they nerf, they nerf like madmens, they overnerf/destroy classes/specs completely.

And what do they give you in return; a single line respec, lol

If I have a shadowblade that get nerfed, I should be able to respec to another stealth-class, get to respec stats and a total ra and skill respec. That would have been customer service.

Instead they give you a single line respec... if you are lucky. So what do you ahve to do? buy a full respec stone 7 plat, a ra-respec stone 3 plat, a new armor; 10 plat, new weapons 5 plat, ops 25 plat straight out the window. Ops, guess I have to farm for another 50 hours.

Its all about spending time online, the more, the better...thinks mytix.

what mytix do is to FORCE people to reroll & re-equip(if they want to continue) and that is tragic. I dont mind playing, I have rerolled, but you should reroll coz you are curious about another class, because you want to try something else. you shoudlnt HAVE TO reroll.

 

[Sibanac]

a) its Mythic
b) your asumption is wrong, the more time you spend online the more you cost them, if they wanted to max profit they would reduce the time you play whilestill keeping you to pay up every month

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

The ideal customer for Mythic would be the one that paid but does not play
You playing so much costs them bandwith (in this case GoA).
But in same cases Mythic should have indeed allowed a race respec, or even a class respec. Would have meant NS could have had celt ns, and that you could have rolled a hunter.
Regards, Glottis

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Sibanac
a) its Mythic
b) your asumption is wrong, the more time you spend online the more you cost them, if they wanted to max profit they would reduce the time you play whilestill keeping you to pay up every month

nah, thats wrong.
I pay if I play, when I stop play I wont pay.

So the "best" customer is the one who spend most time online(that what mytix seems to belive at least)

 

[Aussie-]

Damini jox called you a moron ;(

 

[Flimgoblin]

it was me actually - and it had turned into a post farm.

On the other point - a balanced game pisses off the least number of customers having LA overpowered annoyed all non-zerkers/sbs (including the mids - how much fun is it standing at the PK not getting a group? guess the zerkers know now )

having necromancers able to nuke through keep walls annoyed a heck of a lot more people than fixing it did.

 

[Vladdie]

Rightnow --> The Game, The Universe --> Roleplay and Animation --> RvR Rules and Events:

"The frontiers areas are very dangerous , haunted by the most intelligent adversaries, other human players"

Erm, ok ......

 

[Aussie-]

good to know you don't get upset when ppl call you a moron ;p

 

[jox]

Originally posted by Aussie-
good to know you don't get upset when ppl call you a moron ;p

Thats because Flim have a sense of humour and understand that I am just pulling his leg a little bit...

 

[bouh]

as more time u spend to whine as less time u spend to play... but u still pay.

^ ^

 

[jox]

Originally posted by bouh
as more time u spend to whine as less time u spend to play... but u still pay.

^ ^

Hehe, I agree. I have been whining way to much lately. Whining profits nothing. Its just boring to read.

A fact; a nerf = a challenge

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by jox
Thats because Flim have a sense of humour and understand that I am just pulling his leg a little bit...

stop humping my leg...

 

[hotrat]

Well I for one enjoyed reading what Jox had to say about the state of the game as I agree with many parts of it

I agree that all stealthers are overpowered, even sbs in some situations(especially versus mages, miised pa should be a insta kill for the mage me thinks, but if I have purge up all are doomed...if they aint lifetappers), and I also want the stealth popluation to be brought back in line, but you cant honestly say that Presience Node(in its current state) is a good solution, talk about complete overnerf(as usual).

What Mytix try to do here is to bring the population back in line with a MA(and they promised that mas shouldnt have big impact on rvr), that cant be good business. Its like when they tried to balance classes with ra, its doomed to fail.

All classes should have been balanced BEFORE ras.
All ras should have been balanced BEFORE mas.

example; take assassins, the 3 different type of assassins should be balanced whitout ras. A sb/ns cant compete on equal basis whitout purge, in high rr, ns cant compete whitout ap. So what happen? infils are good from start, sbs suck til they get purge, ns suck until they get ap 2, shouldt it be like that? nah

Take cc, Mytic sees that cc is way to overpowered. they implement purge and deter, ras to rebalance = shit, especially a ra that every class aint granted.

Nah, Mytix is out on a quest for more money, not to satisifie customers, this game should have been called Dark age of reroll alot, coz thats what its all about.

Its prolly a market strategy; to get people to reroll, and reroll in all eternity. Thats why they destroy popular classes, and bring in new completely overpowered ones from time to time.

Taste on this one; if you had a onlinegame you cared about and you were about to introduce a new class, would you;

1. be careful, and hold back dmg-output + defense a bit, so they could test the class more, both in pve and rvr, coz you will never know what impact a new class/new abilities have before it goes live, and then, if the class is still a bit lower than the normal classes tweak them a little bit.

2. Or just give that class absurd power, like savages, bonedancers, reavers, and then, when many people have rerolled, slowly nerf it to the ground, coz this is what Mytix do. But what happend when they introduce the savage for example?
1. All other tanks in Midgard became unpopular to have in groups, so all other tanks are irritated, coz they have to reroll or quit.
2. All people that get killed by savages get irritated.
3. All people that play savages get irritated(when then erfs starts to hit in).

I like this one; hm, well, zerks are way to powerful, lets nerf them. So zerks get nerfed. But at same time the introduce another light tank that are even worse than the pre 1.62 zerks.

Its all about the money for mytix, the rerolling business.

They release abilites, ras, mas, classes, races, you name it whitout even finishing the first one.

How hard can it be to take 2 gm.-accounts, create a infil and a sb, give them equal rr, equipment and then try it for a hour or 2?
It always the same bullshit, we dont got time to test everything as we would want to. Dont got time? hire more people, you have a multimilliondollarbusiness, they can afford it whitout hesitation.

And its also obvious that they dont give a dman about tTL:s feedback. They have got plenty of good feedback from all TL:s but they dont give a shit.

Did this game become better whit ras? nah, will it get better with mas? nah, the inbalance will be even worser.

The tragic fact is that daoc have never been balanced, and it will never be balanced, but we are not more than humans, we keep on playing/hoping that the balance will be there sooner or later. But for every patch that goal seem to fall futher and futher behind.

some says, well the rvr-expansion will prolly rebalance many issues, I say; lol

Not balancing the game before RA's and now MA's is such a huge error, Mythic are just adding new content to keep people interested and don't seem to care about creating a perfect balance in rvr.

Also the quick patch fixes like See Hidden, Determination, resist buffs + SC which have a huge impact in rvr will obviously cause people to re-roll and therefore play for longer.
Then mythic conveniently fixes See Hidden so people can roll archers again, and I bet they fix determination soon so that all the full tanks re-roll to hybrids. Maybe even casters will see the light in rvr again!

Only a few classes in the game are balanced now and have been since the start.

 

[skile]

Balance can't be achieved. I think psychology has a lot to do with how good a class actually is. Ofcourse it's obvious some classes are better than others. But I still tend to think the thinking of "this class is teh rox" makes is the rox, and this is the reason for melee-grps with MA.

 

[corpse-summoner]

Balance is possible take archer class for example.
When i play my scout and i meet a hunter 1vs1 im lost by the fact they hit harder (meaning better weapons).
And most off all that stupid insta pet humping your leg.
Not that i want any nerf on them but if you slam them both run away stealth up that bloated humping pet finds you way too easy.
Fix that kind of stupid things and things will be way better balanced

 

[old.CrazyMuppet]

Balance in this game is extremely hard to achieve because there are 2 things to balance. 1: 'normal' gameplay, 2: the stealther sub-war.

When those 2 intermix, there will always be unbalance.

My guess is Mythic is trying to limit / get rid of the stealthwars with some of the stuff (read: poorly thought through crap) they put into some of the ToA Masterlevels.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by hotrat
Well I for one enjoyed reading what Jox had to say about the state of the game as I agree with many parts of itNot balancing the game before RA's and now MA's is such a huge error, Mythic are just adding new content to keep people interested and don't seem to care about creating a perfect balance in rvr.

Problem is that there's no such thing as true balance, particularly with stealthers. A class that's balanced in fg combat can completely unbalance things in keep takes, or in relic raids, or in 3fg vs 3fg fights. What Mythic have to do is look at balance on a realm-wide basis, which means that in certain niche combat areas, one realm may well rule the roost.

In stealth wars, for example, it's pretty clear that Albion has the upper hand. In 1fg Vs 1fg, I think there's no doubt that the 3xsavage/2xhealer/shammy/skald group means that Midgard has the advantage. If you're talking casters, Hib probably has the advantage (I still have nightmares about trying to take keeps with no gtaoe classes when the lord room is full of chanters...).

 

[corpse-summoner]

Its open again

 

[-fwapp-]

so basicly give class respec for fotm-fashionables

 

[sigh]

was a good whine/read jox.

 

[rg-zorena]

lots of truth in that imo master abilitys shouldn't change the game was said somewhere and rofl when they come and if they are even slightly like that they will change rvr forever balanced or not.

 

[kinag]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
having LA overpowered annoyed all non-zerkers/sbs (including the mids - how much fun is it standing at the PK not getting a group? guess the zerkers know now )

I never get standing alone at PK not being able getting a group so, no I don't know

 

[Craft]

..

1) Goa is a Wanadoo company

2) Wanadoo is a French Company

3) Wanadoo own Freeserve

4) Freeserve is one of the Uk's biggest ISP (Internet Service Providers)

5) Bandwith means nothing to them.

But i do agree with nerfed classes, a full respec should be given, if your specced well before but after specced like a gimp, then theyve done something wrong, you have specced to what you believe your character should be, not given a new character basically.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by kinag
I never get standing alone at PK not being able getting a group so, no I don't know

Was it Poon that eventually gave up trying to get into pickup groups?