What is feckin wrong with this realm??

[old.Gillaien]

I am sooo god damn tired of this, really!

Whenever I stand there at Ligen, looking for a group, its the same thing: all groups full, everyone says they don't need me...

Well after a while I get in group. Then mostly I get to see what Joxer described in his thread in RvR board: people leave for their guild groups, some give a warning, most don't, cause they're too elite to tell anyone that they will farm RP with their uber guild.


End of this is that we have to invite some lvl 40ish or lower people to get group full, which results in a quick death later cause such a group just doesn't stand a big chance vs a lvl 50 fg of enemy players.

Or, and thats the best version, I get kicked (or asked to leave) so the peeps can make the group a guild group. Yay great.


After a longer while of waiting and getting really frustrated I decide to buff up, activate Hastener and make my own way to Crim, hoping to find a group there or at least do something other than standing around getting angry about the people in this realm.

Then, usally a short bit before a keep where I want to refresh the hastener speed, I run into Alpha or someone like that... I stand a great chance, beat the sh*t outa him and start in Ligen after I released.

Yay.


On the other hand, when I make it into a group that doesn't kick me or splits up, and I buff them up, I hear "wow awesome buffs" "I love these buffs!" etc. High nurture sure is nice. But sometimes I get the feeling most people would just let me buff them and kick me out again to invite a guildie.

Is this sad or what?

I hope I only had some bad luck. Would love to see I'm wrong, cause this sucks. Really.

 

[Ensceptifica]

When I come to DL and don't feel like soloing, I just spam invites to everyone I see, keeping in mind a bard might be nice. Tonight I spammed 6 people, and only you responded, so we were 2 in group. Guess the rest was afk or just acting as buffbot. Meanwhile I saw other groups of 5-6 peeps standing together.. so I just figured asking another group for an invite would be the sensible thing to do, and that's why I said I'd leave to join another group. Silly if 24 people stand around waiting as 5 incomplete groups when you can make 3fg.

I think it's just bad luck what you've experienced. Btw personally I don't have high expectations of RvR; I prefer a lvl 35+ group of people to who everything is still exciting and new to a group of lvl 50 grumpy veterans who frown at anything going wrong any day.

 

[old.Gillaien]

I didn't mean you with what I said m8

Was just a summary of today... and the last 2 weeks, for that matter

 

[old.Xanthian]

Hope you enjoyed our short run
lol

 

[old.chipper]

Originally posted by old.Gillaien

End of this is that we have to invite some lvl 40ish or lower people to get group full, which results in a quick death later cause such a group just doesn't stand a big chance vs a lvl 50 fg of enemy players.

yeah and i hate this youre not lvl 50 so F*k off mentality 40+ is fine for RvR maybe even lower if theres a couple of groups goin together im level 44 and i sit around DL trying to get groups which rarely happens i can hit a lvl 50 tank for 300+ can take 2-3 hits as a mage which isnt too bad

you asked what is fekin wrong with this realm well this is one of those problems

 

[old.Gillaien]

As my experience with lvl 40- groups has always been really bad I decided to only make groups with 40ish peeps if they are friends or guildies.

Understand it or don't.

 

[ilaya]

Yup, getting a little sick of rp hungry peeps myself, but i have a suggestion, hehe :

Everyone who wants to go to rvr gather at dl and select some team leaders.
Everyone else uses /random command to see which group they join, then off we go

Be interesting to see just how much fun that will be, because its all about that aint it? fun? or else what's the point?

Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer - 50 lurichamp (GM Hearts of Fire)

 

[Lessurl]

Well, i have left a few groups to join guild groups and i don't see a problem with it. I give warning and apologise and i think that that should be enough. What is the difference between that and me having to log? Oh, and i don't do it to farm rps i do it FOR FUN. Which is what a game should be about. Very few guild groups we make atm are all lvl 50's (so not your kind of group) but i enjoy the experience a lot more as i am rvring with good friends. Shure we argue a bit sometimes too but that is all a part of friendship really.


Oh and btw, you say that some people leave for guild groups because they want to farm the uber rps with their uber guild. But i am giong to have to call you a hypocrite i'm afraid as only inviting lvl 50's to your group you are yourself trying to create an uber rp farming group. Sorry to point that out.

I had a guild group in mid with about half of us not lvl 50 and we took out about 4 seperate fg's without a single death before we finally got hit by 3fg at once.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
When I come to DL and don't feel like soloing, I just spam invites to everyone I see, keeping in mind a bard might be nice. Tonight I spammed 6 people, and only you responded, so we were 2 in group. Guess the rest was afk or just acting as buffbot.

They probably ignored your invite cos you didn't have a bard standing beside you.

Whenever i spam invites at DL with my bard you'll be amazed how many people who seem to be afk suddenly jump back to their keyboards.

 

[old.Zanaa]

Well....first you look for friends or people you enjoy playing with (and your guildies is normally part of these ppl, else consider leaving guild). It doesn't have to be people with special skill or class - just people you like playing with. Is that so hard to understand?

Then you fill up with classes you need, just like with an exp group you want a functioning team don't you? If it's someone you don't know, you won't be best friends with him the from the start ofc, but in the end you might have a new entry on friend list - but noone loves everybody. If someone likes your company, you gonna be invited to mostly-guildgroups etc often. If they dont like you, thats not their problem. After this might take some lonely looking people if space. Is that so hard to understand?

I like playing with my friends and with people I know prefer stable groups. In the mixed grab 7 lev50-whatever and go groups you seem to prefer half or all of the group always leaves after 1 death ("oh sorry my GM needs me" or some other crappy excuse.). If no friends around u can rvr like that a few runs until they are available (and ofc should give warning in advance if possible) but it ain't very fun. Is that so hard to understand?


Finally there is one thng that pisses me off alot, and thats people accusing you for "rp farming" "not good for the realm" etc etc cause some people prefer going as 1FG most of the time, instead of "going with others" (or zerg as we say when albs do it). It has nothing to do with rps, I don't care about rps, it has nothing to do with farming - it is because we happen to be looking for small scale combat because we think that is most FUN way of Rvring. Lately its very hard in emain to find 1Fg vs 1Fg combat, but that is our problem and not yours. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[old.Gillaien]

Well as nobody seemed to understand what I was trying to say and that I was mainly pissed with the behaviour of some people this week, you might as well close this...

Just some statements:

1. I do NOT accuse everyone for making guild groups, I just say it sucks to leave WITHOUT notice

2. I do NOT mind people that aren't 50 in my group, BUT I had so far only bad experience with people LOWER than 40 in RvR groups

O well thats it :>

 

[old.Xanthian]

If your going to RVR then at least do it properly, and having 3 lvl 41's in your groups ISNT doing it properly.

It annoys me when theres grey cons sat at DL moaning they never get a group. FFS go lvl up!

And about Guild only groups, I really dont mind as my guild regularly has one and the rvr is MUCH more fun with them , than it is with a bunch of randoms that dont have any clue how to rvr what-so-ever.

Guild groups are the way forward, like it or not
I can sit at DL for hours without an invite, then eventually I get in a group with lots of low levels or a Bard'less group.
That is why I prefer guild groups.

Call me what u like for saying rvr isnt for low levels, cos it isnt.
Them not being at least 46, ruins the fun for all of us, as they arent capable of doing what a lvl 50 could do, due to dmg, resists etc...
And as I said before, some people like to rvr properly, and I personally dont find it fun dying becuase we have a lowb void eld aoe'ing a mezz'd grp or a lowb hero that cant tank a scout thats whipping my ass.

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by old.Gillaien
End of this is that we have to invite some lvl 40ish or lower people to get group full, which results in a quick death later cause such a group just doesn't stand a big chance vs a lvl 50 fg of enemy players.

As if you run into only 1fg how often does than happen

 

[old.chipper]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
And as I said before, some people like to rvr properly, and I personally dont find it fun dying becuase we have a lowb void eld aoe'ing a mezz'd grp or a lowb hero that cant tank a scout thats whipping my ass.

hope im takin this out of context but are u telling me that people under level 46 dont know how to to play in RvR cos thats what it sounds like.

true a group not all lvl 50 is unlikely to win against a group of level 50's but i think its a bit ignorant to ignore those people after all they are gonna be lvl 50 sooner or later and when you ask them for a group there gonna remember things that happened like waitin at DL for hours to get a grp and either getting ignored or saying sorry youre too low level this is a bad problem and causes alot of ill will im not saying you should group all lower lvls all the time but instead of waitin for a level 50 to show up and theres maybe 5 40-45 people there grp one of them and go out instead its better for them and in the long run better for u

 

[sharon_corr]

Rvr isnt for those under 50?? Excuse me? You must be completely braindead to say this. I see level 50's die as much (if not even more) than me.

If ppl ignore me in DL, i go alone in emain and practice my fast-as-lightning-casting-of-a-mez-and-then-jumping-all-over-through-the-trees-untill-minstrel-gets-bored dance. Its fun and i just made rr2. <curtseys>

Sometimes i just taxi ppl around. "Take me to Lhamfota please.", "One ticket to Emain please". Yeah, speed 4 is a bit slower but its far better than the crappy hastener speed and i see people catching the drift in this respect alright.

And so on and so forth... bottom line is, i'm level 33 bard (yes, i can play the damn lute) and I'm having temendrous fun in the super-elite-level-50-only-zerg areas, both alone and in group.

//Shaz

 

[Noche]

Xanthian´s got his cute butt (no, I haven´t seen it and not interested to do) kicked soo many times in a random grp that he gave up, don´t get angry at him ^_^

As said even a fg of 50 randomly picked can´t work well together, I can´t even imagine a no 50 fg. I´m not saying that they got less rvr xperience (prolly some 40ish is an alt of a lvl 50 rr 6), I´m worried about their survivance. As we well know, a rr5 lvl 50 char = lvl 51 char, a lvl 46-49 one CAN´T do nearly as 2/3 as him overall. Non 50s drop way too fast due to lack of epic armor and orange con advantage, a blue bard well played is good to have, but when he died from 2 hits from any char, your grp end up dying. U can not protect a lvl 40ish blue con bard as good as protecting a lvl 51 bard with legion vest (just an example of items and their af caps)

Above is my opinion, and yes I know some lvl 50s who´s got no idea about rvr at all.

 

[lofff]

gill u know ur buffs are always welcome ... err... arh... i mean u are always welcome in my groups





ps: jk...

 

[ilaya]

I think we are missing something here.. namely RA's. Surely those nasty lvls from 40-50 can be made a little easier if people have some RA's under their belt, but just how are people meant to get them if peeps dont take non-lvl 50's into their groups?

I'll suggest something for you guys that are lvl 40-49.. dont go to dl looking for a group to emain, instead, go to odins much better anyway

As for Emain not being for non-lvl 50's.. was the first hib to see the amg lvl 50? doubt it.. please try to remember what it was like at those levels and give these guys a break.. or even a group invite hehe

Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer - 50 Lurichamp (GM Hearts of Fire)

 

[Exiled]

lurikeen only group

 

[old.Xanthian]

Bah @ Idiots that cant read properly.

I never said that under 46 cant rvr, I basically meant that the chances of a group that is filled with pre lvl 50 have a much less chance of losing in a FG v FG.

When 90% of enemies in the frontier are going to be red con, alot of spells will be resisted and MUCH weaker than they would be if they were yellow con.

Admitidly, there are a lot of lvl 50's that are incapable of rvring(wont mention any names) and there are also a lot of pre-lvl 46 that are very good.
But the majority of the time if you run to emain with Blue or Green cons, then you dont really have a very good chance of survival.

Call me an RP whore but I like to last longer than 5 mins per run, and when you have a grey con bard that aint gonna happen.

I dont mind lower levels rvr'ing but when they sit at DL for 30mins doing "/y LFG 38 VOID SPEC ELDRITCH PLEASEEEEEE"
It becomes quite annoying, especially when they start bitching they aint got a group.

 

[old.chipper]

haha this gets better we better stay home all you lot under 46 after all where the blue green cons that get our butts kicked you go emain in your leet grp of lvl 50's and run into a full zerg of albs oh yeah youre gonna last soooooooo much longer arent u surprise is the key.
i RvR with guild a bit and we have taken down many enemies mainly cos we got the first punch in.
dont worry though ill stay away from you level 50's wouldnt want to cramp your style.


jeez dont even get this crap in albion (or didnt)

 

[Gryphon]

So, Fins spot free now? ;p (JK ofcourse )

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Noche
...

<remembers grouping a lvl 40+ shade called Noche in numerous RvR groups>

 

[inuyasha]

FEH!

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Bah @ Idiots that cant read properly.

I never said that under 46 cant rvr, I basically meant that the chances of a group that is filled with pre lvl 50 have a much less chance of losing in a FG v FG.

When 90% of enemies in the frontier are going to be red con, alot of spells will be resisted and MUCH weaker than they would be if they were yellow con.

Admitidly, there are a lot of lvl 50's that are incapable of rvring(wont mention any names) and there are also a lot of pre-lvl 46 that are very good.
But the majority of the time if you run to emain with Blue or Green cons, then you dont really have a very good chance of survival.

Call me an RP whore but I like to last longer than 5 mins per run, and when you have a grey con bard that aint gonna happen.

I dont mind lower levels rvr'ing but when they sit at DL for 30mins doing "/y LFG 38 VOID SPEC ELDRITCH PLEASEEEEEE"
It becomes quite annoying, especially when they start bitching they aint got a group.

RP Whore




I have no prob at all getting a group at odins at level 30+ =)
GO ODINS!
Anyways, im a enchanter, so i can go there by myself =)
Xanthian, i hope im still >46 when they implent /duel
That can teach you a thing or two about how "nerfed" a level 45 light enchanter is in rvr =)))

Point, 39 light enchanter =)

 

[ab_fluid]

Nerf Point

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
And as I said before, some people like to rvr properly, and I personally dont find it fun dying becuase we have a lowb void eld aoe'ing a mezz'd grp or a lowb hero that cant tank a scout thats whipping my ass.

I think you should replace lowb, with n00b. Plenty of lowb void elds know not to aoe and plenty of lowb hero's can tank scouts on you better than lvl 50's (thanks to the hit thing being taken away). No i don't mean they can fight the scout 1v1 easier i mean they know that they should be slamming and chopping at this scout when he goes on to you. A lot of lvl 50's i've seen don't seem to know they are supposed to be looking after the mages/bard/druid. And i have had a nameless lvl 49 (now 50) void eld in my group who broke mez on a fg i'd just mezzed with my bard ( blue con bard too ) with aoe. Don;t group with him anymore either because he was one of those people who think that because they are higher level than my bard they know better. Infact i mostly only get my bard out for guild groups...or groups with friends in now. Random groups i stick with my eld as people don't presume to look down on him because he is lower level.

Oh and noche... most things take more than 2 hits to drop my bard.

Btw i love guild groups, even tho we hardly ever have all our lvl 50's on at same time to make a full 50 fg we still do damn well with what we get. Had a grp with my 44 bard drivin, 2 lvl 39's and only about 3 or 4 (memory is bad) lvl 50's. Still managed to do not bad at all and had a load of fun in the process.
Some people like to pharm, others like to have fun. I am the latter.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
When 90% of enemies in the frontier are going to be red con, alot of spells will be resisted and MUCH weaker than they would be if they were yellow con.

Just fyi, id like to point out that you seem to have no clue about these things called patches

A level 5 can land a mez on a level 50 just as good as a level 50 can, its pvp rules now, no level based modifiers AT ALL in rvr. This also means that he will do the same level as he would do on an orchard nipper

Which means, the only difference between a 33 bard and a 50 bard is that the 50 bard got instas and longer duration, and might take 2 more hits and thats it. That level 33 bard can STILL mez a fg of 50s if they are /stick'd on one person


Believe me, rvring with my druid as a green con i know this is true, ask Rauthian the level 50 thane if he resisted any of my dots or my level 27 pets stun ^^. Took its sweet time tho, think it took me like 3 minutes in total to kite him as he had IP up

Edit: Hmm, wonder if i should make a level 5 bard and run around mezing ppl with speed 1?

 

[old.Xanthian]

Dont read patch info usually, I knew there was something like that in it, wasnt sure what though.

So your telling me that if a lvl 35 Eld nukes a lvl 50 hes gonna hit and do good dmg ? I think not..

Bredana: this is my opinion if you dont like it, go back to Albion. Dont lose sleep over it please.

 

[Wuren]

Let ppl group with whoever they want?

A green con lasts 2 sec in emain compared to a lvl 50 with epic armour level base modifiers or not.

 

[exc_hib_boo]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Dont read patch info usually, I knew there was something like that in it, wasnt sure what though.

So your telling me that if a lvl 35 Eld nukes a lvl 50 hes gonna hit and do good dmg ? I think not..

Bredana: this is my opinion if you dont like it, go back to Albion. Dont lose sleep over it please.

A level 35 eld will indeed hit a level 50 (sometimes) and do the same damage he does to high yellow/low orange mobs. Before this patch he could probably nuke a full mana bar and maybe get one nuke in - not anymore.

I do however think that the level of the spell is important for total resists, so a level 5 mez will not stick too often (not completely sure about this one).

The resist rates will of course be the same as for mobs so nukes will be resisted, the same way a lower tanks hits will miss due to 35% bonus on epic armor and lower bonus on a L40's weapon.