what ever happend to song writing?

[tris-]

after a conversation with outlander, i must express my rage.

what has happend to people who write their own songs?

take phil collins and easy lover. not only did he write it and sing it, the whole song is true. it makes sense, i mean you even fucking understand what he says.

nowa days its all retards who either steal their songs from legends or have someone else write it. then they take the glory because they fit the typical image of a queer looking bastard that young women love.

uke: imo

 

[Outlander]

I agree!1!!

its all come about with the damn mass produced stuff and corporate fiddlings that go on, manufacturing bands and creating the stars. Its more so been getting to the stage of hiring a writer to go along with the pretty face, and hide there mistakes with fancy videos and retarded over the top choriography.

saying this though there are ofc people who are genuine and are doing it all themselfs, although theres all too many that sounds the same, and once they record labels get them they leech that sound for all its worth, and the music therefore doesnt progress too much making it dire and repetative.

Also these days just try the interweb for songwriting, theres templates for you to use and the 101 things you need to do to make a 'hit song'. Surely this can only lead to even more drivvel and less songs that are actually coming from the soul and that touch YOUR soul! As thats what all te greats do they touch you in a special way! not like stuff today that just make me want to eat my own face

 

[Naetha]

Singer songwriters seem to get the piss ripped out of them - take James Blunt for example.

 

[tris-]

which is totally backaward and fucking stupid. james blunt was extremely fantastic with some of his songs.

 

[Darksword]

after a conversation with outlander, i must express my rage.

what has happend to people who write their own songs?

take phil collins and easy lover. not only did he write it and sing it, the whole song is true. it makes sense, i mean you even fucking understand what he says.

nowa days its all retards who either steal their songs from legends or have someone else write it. then they take the glory because they fit the typical image of a queer looking bastard that young women love.

uke: imo

depends on what type of music u listen to meight!

ben harper writes all/most of his own stuff.

then most UK hip hop, hip hop in general is self written, like K-LASH-YOUR-RAS-KLAT-NECK OFF! and like skinnyman etc, then over the pond like ol dirty (rip) and mf doom etc. they all write their own stuff.

jack johnson writes his own stuff aswell i think, hawaii looks cool man.

infact i think only really pop music/some rappers have their songs written for them. Destinys child write most of their own songs, i know that.

 

[Darksword]

which is totally backaward and fucking stupid. james blunt was extremely fantastic with some of his songs.

is; he hasnt quit yet. Although he does have a shit contract for his first few albums where his manager and everyone else took massive cuts of his money.

 

[noblok]

I think writing your own songs is over-rated. Hypothetical situation: you could't write decent lyrics if your life depended on it, but have a great voice. Someone else has a terrible voice, but writes great lyrics. Surely it's better for you to sing his lyrics than for each of you to sing your own?

The fact that many lyrics suck is a different matter though, but as I don't really listen to music I don't care about it much. If you want real pathos: read Russian short stories, they rock! The bigger works rock as well, but aren't really as comparable with a song .

 

[tris-]

id rather someone with a shit voice tryed their damned hardest to sing a song they have created them selves.

thats mainly what i listen to music for anyway, the lyrics and how i can associate with them. and that the person singing them really believes in what they are singing about

 

[Bugz]

Respect for mentioning phil collins - i lub him

 

[Bahumat]

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On a serious note i like songs if they sound nice, by nice i mean that they appeal to me, sounds kinda silly but thats just me.

Sometimes one of these songs will feel like its written for me, what i mean is that the lyrics are almost retelling an event from my life. Things i feel or have experienced.

When someone writes a song like that i can see their passion and for me that makes a truly awesome song...

 

[noblok]

and that the person singing them really believes in what they are singing about

I love short stories because the feeling they evoke, whether the author really believed what he wrote or not isn't that important to me. Same goes for songs. The singer just has to evoke the right emotions with his voice. If he can't put the feeling in his voice which suits the song, he's failed. Guess this often correlates with actually believing the lyrics though, don't really see how it's possible to do it if you think the lyrics are absurd .

Anyway: someone can believe the lyrics and put the right emotion in them without being the author though. If you can relate to the lyrics without being the author, someone else who happens to be good at singing may as well. I do agree that it's lame to take all the glory from the songwriter though .

 

[Himse]

The Rocket Summer ftw

He writes his own songs, and plays all the instruments, oh and produces it too

 

[Darksword]

"looking at hip nower days is sad man, i mean if this is the way music is going, id rather pack in my dimebags, its like the game did a handstand coz now we got girls sagging their pants and boys rocking hand bags, and everybody celebrating ignorance semi-literate lyracists perading like "HEY IM AN IDIOT", with brers more suited for colouring books, and stickle bricks and shifting bricks and shooting its stupidness and im sick of it, less-than-articulate-******s-barely-stringing-togethar-sentences-that-just-about-make-sense, i swear their intelligent." - Genesis Elijah

the state of the game

"i feel you genesis, what they say it really aint reality, the tv is the fantasy their caught up in the fallacy" - Dubbledge.

truth.

 

[Phooka]

As someone said b4 most rappers write their own lyrics. Same person mentioned Jack Johnson, Now that is someone i would even recommend to my parents. But i see your point that most music nowadays doesnt really impress me, i get no feeling whatsoever from it other then; This sux! <zap> Maybe try some more oldskool shit like Dire straits, Bob Marley, Eric clapton, The Doors, (Otis Reading, Nina Simone not song writers but still roxxOr )

Most sing/songwriters arn't mainstream, try listening to more alternative radiostations etc. If you hear a song u like write it down fetch the artists whole work, if you like more then 2 songs on a CD buy it... Its alot of our own fault they are dissapearing thx to crap programs like kazaa (btw i love these proggies but Kazaa pisses me off same with Imesh )

They are still about just find the rite rock under wich they are hiding ive been on a quest for descent music for years, mostly looking in wrong places or holding on to the old selection . Newayz gl finding lemme know if find sumtin.

 

[Ezteq]

hmm tbh anyone can write a song its weather its good and actually means something or not thats the key factor.

and a lot of the time they put shit words with a singer who isnt that good or origional on top of a crappy tune ....


and then it goes to number one

 

[Thorondorito]

The bands I listen to write their own songs (sometimes they do a version of another band, but just as a tribute)

 

[Cemeterygates]

the shite your refering to tris seems to be mostly pop where it all seems to be about "im good looking an have big tits....i own!!".....really is sad....an most may really not like my music....but hey...least they get up there an fuckin do it emselves an write it...appart from the odd cover an stuff.....just put their own edge to it. METAL FTW!! an i mean real metal....not fuckin linkin park an shit

 

[cHodAX]

Jame Blunt uke:

Seriously, his stuff makes me want to look for the razor blades.




Most solo artists these days are totally useless, they rely on other people to write songs for them, they then change a couple of words and get 'co-written' status so they can go talk bullshit on TV about how they write their own stuff. There is no bigger of abuser of this than Robbie Williams, it is ridiculous how many people believe that this guy actually wrote 'Angels' and all his other hits. The truth is Guy Chambers and a few other people wrote those songs for him, don't buy into the bullshit that he co-wrote those songs, it is a standard record company trick to give the artist a degree of credibilty.

The music industry these days is all about signing some pretty boy or girl with a passable voice and then giving them a makeover before promoting thier music through the roof. Of course all these people end up getting exploited and signing away 90% of the royalties for the first 2 albums. That is a big reason why record companies don't really like signing bands, real muscians are usally alot more clued up to the business and won't sign the scam contracts, the record companies make less and get more hassle.

 

[Fana]

Music buisness today... uke: Its all about selling a product

 

[Raven]

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On a serious note i like songs if they sound nice, by nice i mean that they appeal to me, sounds kinda silly but thats just me.

Sometimes one of these songs will feel like its written for me, what i mean is that the lyrics are almost retelling an event from my life. Things i feel or have experienced.

When someone writes a song like that i can see their passion and for me that makes a truly awesome song...

google ads searches content in the thread and places adverts to match, i bet if you started a thread about giant albino babies it would find something

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Antony and the Johnsons
Faithless
Depeche Mode
Dido
Jewel
Eddy De Clerq
Evanescence
Racoon (NL)
Foo Fighters
Gabriel Rios
Hoobastank
Joe Cocker
Counting Crows
Joss Stone
Manu Chao
K's Choice (BE)
Kane (NL)
Norah Jones
Mark Knopfler
Nightwish
Scissor Sisters
Silje Nergaard
The Corrs
Therapy?
U2

 

[Darksword]

Ben harper - definatly check him out, he has soul in his lyrics, songs like;

Like a king
Excuse me Mr.
Jah Work
Another lonely day
Please Bleed
Waiting on an Angel

also check out bob schneider.

 

[Cadiva]

I think Pooka hit it on the head, it really does depend on what type of music you're listening to.
The mainstream market is clogged up with utter shite, mass produced rubbish conforming to some 12 year old's idea of what's a good pop record. I think I stopped watching Top of the Pops about 10 years ago now

However, there are still plenty of artists writing their own stuff, two of my best mates write the best pop/folk/rocky type stuff I've come across, they have a recording contract with a tiny little independent label and they make a reasonable living out of gigging and selling CDs and stuff.

Another of my friends writes lyrics which, imho, are just as good as Dlyan's and he's a similar age, but for some reason unknown to man, he didn't get the breakthrough. A lot of it is right place right time and then people go on to enduring success.

A 5 piece rock band I knew quite a few years ago called The Cherryland Bandits were utterly superb, wrote all their own stuff, did loads of gigs, got themselves a deal with Island Records and then promptly fell out with each other on stage and split up about 4 weeks later!

In their case, they would have written stuff and Island would then have decided who was going to record it, can't say I blame them really for falling out over who was going to perform the stuff they were writing.

There are great songs out there, written by great songwriters, you just have to search a whole lot harder to find them in the mainstream market.

Check out MySpace someday Tris, there's a lot of really good music on there.
My mates MySpace is at http://www.myspace.com/thehallbrothers

 

[old.Tohtori]

Do my songs count?

 

[Krait]

Antony and the Johnsons
Faithless
Depeche Mode
Dido
Jewel
Eddy De Clerq
Evanescence
Racoon (NL)
Foo Fighters
Gabriel Rios
Hoobastank
Joe Cocker
Counting Crows
Joss Stone
Manu Chao
K's Choice (BE)
Kane (NL)
Norah Jones
Mark Knopfler
Nightwish
Scissor Sisters
Silje Nergaard
The Corrs
Therapy?
U2

How can you miss out Green Day ?

 

[Hansmoleman]

song writers get loyalties for longer than the singer iirc.

 

[dub]

after a conversation with outlander, i must express my rage.

what has happend to people who write their own songs?

take phil collins and easy lover. not only did he write it and sing it, the whole song is true. it makes sense, i mean you even fucking understand what he says.

nowa days its all retards who either steal their songs from legends or have someone else write it. then they take the glory because they fit the typical image of a queer looking bastard that young women love.

uke: imo

new neill young album out any day now /cheer

 

[Lamp]

There is a hell of a load of shite music being released these days.

Albums can be created, sampled, mixed etc in your bedroom these days. My mate's done it with his Apple G5, a Kawai MP9000 keyboard, and ProLogic software.

Bands are created and deserted with familiar regularity. A quick burst of tabloid fame, a quick buck, followed by downfall into obscurity.

Microwave music.

There's a time and a place for it. It does what it says on the tin. You hum it on the way to work. Then you forget it for the next moulded plastic tune.

I admire and respect people who write original good music. Songs where real thought has been put into the lyrics. Songs where the performers can actually sing. People with talent (like the dustman who didn't but should have won pop idol).

 

[Garok]

Still are lots of singer song writers out I guess. Richard Ashcroft and Ian Brown can still fill up the Brixton Academy for 3 nights in a row.

Think the main trouble the record compaines have with pure singer songwriters (is solo artists not those in a band) is that becuase the ideas come from only one person, they often get stuck going in the same direction. The music then suffers if thier rehashing the same old shit.


On a side note check out Tom Veks Album "We have sound". Blokes only like 21 or something recorded it in his gararge playing all the stuff himself. Kinda sounds like 80's Electro/rock

 

[Ctuchik]

then most UK hip hop, hip hop in general is self written, like K-LASH-YOUR-RAS-KLAT-NECK OFF! and like skinnyman etc, then over the pond like ol dirty (rip) and mf doom etc. they all write their own stuff.

because there isnt a healthy person alive that WOULD write that piece of shit exept the "singers"

and i dont care whos writing the song aslong as its good.