What decides how good u are?

[Hestetun]

Hi all.....some of my friends mean that if u have like 4 or 8 chars and played sense us daoc that ur are uber and all in like an good rvr guild are not as good as them and I so desegree on that. The time and how many chars u have over a serten lvl gives xp on lvl yes, but hell if it give xp on rvr and in the battle field.

U can be new to the game and still be a better player and Tankster is a good example on that. She is a very good player.

I think if u specelise in one char dosent mean that ur noob, beacause u dont play others. they do that tho and dont like it. They can be so TRANGSYNTE

So peeps what do u think

 

[Whandall]

The one with higher RR and/or better buffs wins

 

[Gorguss]

The one with the biggest hammer wins
Nothing beats a good player, but it is a little easier to beat the good player if he is lvl 4 and your lvl 50

 

[)nick(]

Do what I do. Then you will be teh bestest of the better.

 

[Gorguss]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
Do what I do. Then you will be teh bestest of the better.

Yeh, Nicolas is really good

 

[drummer]

Who's zerg is biggest wins !

Gorguss :touch: Drummer
Drummer Gorguss

 

[Amadon]

It really doesn't matter who appears to be better. The point of the game from my perspective is to have fun, and I have yet to see any means of objectively measuring enjoyment since by it's nature it's subjective, so I don't see any point in trying to impose my perceptions of what is fun or not upon others.

 

[Ensceptifica]

The people who keep shouting that they've played since beta etc are usually not more uber, but often do have bigger egos. I think Tankster is a good player, but the best thing about her is that afaik she shows respect to the people she meets, regardless of played time/status etc.

I've been in a lot of bad xp groups that got killed over and over, but the only people I ever kicked were the ones calling others n00bs and acting arrogant.

 

[inuyasha]

Re: Re: What decides how good u are?

Originally posted by Amadon
It really doesn't matter who appears to be better. The point of the game from my perspective is to have fun, and I have yet to see any means of objectively measuring enjoyment since by it's nature it's subjective, so I don't see any point in trying to impose my perceptions of what is fun or not upon others.

Agreed!



Hestethun: What we are trying to say is not: those who have played much and for ages pwn the ones in the good rvr group guilds or anything...

What we are trying to make you understand, like the one mentioned above, is that you are not an UBER player by having millions of rps, but that you know how to play the game. Its not just rps, not just knowledge, but it helps alot. I would say knowledge is uber here as in anything else, and you learn alot from making and trying lots of chars, not by leveling them high or play them much or others, but to have tried them and know what they can do. I do not doubt that most of the ones you describe as players of these uberguilds also have played since the US betas, but that alone does not make you uber if you have for instance just played a pet enchanter all along

Have fun, help newbs, level an alt, be able to help and give friends advice, all this i put equal to rps, so i just does not agree with your "TRANGSYNT" sight of things saying that once you have been in a elite group with for instance LA for a while your auto "uber" just case you can take out another group of players more effectivily with your group then mine, and you have twice the rps of the guild im in alone

Thats just my few pennies =)

 

[old.Charonel]

have to agree with point about trying other chars, if there's one thing which will get you better FAST in rvr it's rolling the other realms characters

this is what prydwens for, its' not a live server , it's a char test server

i've played almost (there are 5-6 classes i havn't yet) played every single class in the game from all realms, and if there's one thing that this has taught me it's their limitations, and just as importantly, their spell anims, style anims etc... what they commonly look like and things, allows you to identify key targets very fast in battle, spotting a sorcerer before they aoe mezz you all is nice, and if you know what all their spells etc.. look like before hand because you've spent time with one then it helps.

rolling your own realms chars also helps a lot too, knowing what that mentalist can actually do over there rather than just thinking of it as a rather wierd caster class is invaluable , especially if it's a violent mentalist

 

[old.Laryssa]

the one who enjoys playing wins

 

[old.Tzeentch]

as long as you aint a whiny, greedy cunt, you're a good player.

i'd rather have someone who doesnt fucking moan every time they die, or wait 2 mins extra for someone who LD, over some rr10 uber daoc god

unfortunately

those who complain about this (what you are talking about heste)
often fit into this category
they are so obessessed about becoming good, they dont have fun

people become good cus they enjoy the game so give it more
not the other way around

 

[old.Laryssa]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
as long as you aint a whiny, greedy cunt, you're a good player.

 

[Gorguss]

Knowledge has it's benefits, for instance I rolled a new eldritch the other day just for fun and to team some with some new players. I looked at some websites and found out that void was pretty decent but HEY was I in for a big surprice
Not even a NS n00b wants to team with a void eldr hehe
Time to respec soon I guess.

Playing time does'nt make you elite, however you can be elite in so many ways.

Like Tzeenth here who is a social inferno. (It's a compliment.. I think?)

Inuyasha is great at making looooong posts

Hestethun is good at, well making my english look good in comparance

 

[ilaya]

You could also gauge how "good" you are by how many people have you on their friends list

Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer 50 Lurichamp (GM Hearts of Fire)

 

[old.Nol]

FFS TZEE, THAT'S THE THIRD FAKKING TIME THIS WEEK I DIED BECAUSE YOU WERE'NT THERE YOU TEH BATSRAD!

 

[Kobold]

In this game it's not a goal being the "best". At least not for me, and it shouldn't be for you either. The most inportant thing in a game like this should be the players attitude and moral. You might say it's just a game, but you play with other people too, so people should behave, and don't act like childish idiots, like very many do. Be nice to people and you will get much further (in DAoC and life).

Talking about how good you play in RvR....well if a n00b loaned Eleasias' account I'm pretty sure he would make a fool outa himself and die to allmost everyone. Playing RvR have so increadable much to do with YOU're playing skills. The timeing of you're attack/spells, where/how you move, how good you are at looking around you all the time, know how all the other classes works, know what enemy class to take first out of a group (like take down the sorc first etc), know what all you're group m8s can do/will do, so you can assist them in the best way etc....it's so friggin much to learn out there.

But then again it's all about fun, and if you find you're playstyle fun, stick with it, if not, change game or change playstyle

/edit
btw Heste ur typos sux!

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by old.Eternal[EW]

But then again it's all about fun, and if you find you're playstyle fun, stick with it, if not, change game or change playstyle

I loved my gameplay as a light eld, but unfortunately I got some aggrevation from people who rather wanted a full mana eld (I had mana as secondary spec). There was even someone who told people to not give me items because I wasn't 'a real mage'. That person went on about I was crap because I had chosen light, and even though 2 days later everyone avoided this arrogant griefplayer like the plague, it wasn't nice to experience. After some other elds told me how good xp groups they had with mana, and that it also rocked a lot more and that the next patch would make light less useful, I respecced to mana, even though I had really enjoyed light thusfar and hadn't really had problems with getting xp groups so far (because I'm usually the one starting them too, and have a load of friends). Well mana hasn't been a letdown so far; it's efficient and good in xp groups... but I liked playing as a light eld much better : / So I will respec to light at lvl 40, and take my chances with getting xp groups (which seem to want nothing but mana bombs from lvl 40 and up). Not even sure if I'd take mana as secondary spec.

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa
the one who enjoys playing wins

Agreed 100%!

Good example are some of the fights we had with BF groups.. Sometimes we got so owned by them but still had fun because the groups were on almost equal terms and provided people with the oppurtunity to play their class instead of being one of many vs. a few in which I'm sorry to say there's very little skill involved.

Play how you want to.. don't let anyone tell you you're gimped because of it. Be open to suggestions though (yes, even the ones I might make ), they might help.

Have fun!

 

[oblivion_6]

Originally posted by Gorguss
. I looked at some websites and found out that void was pretty decent but HEY was I in for a big surprice
Not even a NS n00b wants to team with a void eldr hehe
Time to respec soon I guess.

Not to shit on you m8 but you got ur eld to lv 21 did you not?

How can you possibly comment on how bad an eld char is?

Its like going to london and only going to Soho dont make you able to say "Londons full of hookers!"

em well you know what im trying to say lol

 

[Kobold]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica


I loved my gameplay as a light eld, but unfortunately I got some aggrevation from people who rather wanted a full mana eld (I had mana as secondary spec). There was even someone who told people to not give me items because I wasn't 'a real mage'. That person went on about I was crap because I had chosen light, and even though 2 days later everyone avoided this arrogant griefplayer like the plague, it wasn't nice to experience. After some other elds told me how good xp groups they had with mana, and that it also rocked a lot more and that the next patch would make light less useful, I respecced to mana, even though I had really enjoyed light thusfar and hadn't really had problems with getting xp groups so far (because I'm usually the one starting them too, and have a load of friends). Well mana hasn't been a letdown so far; it's efficient and good in xp groups... but I liked playing as a light eld much better : / So I will respec to light at lvl 40, and take my chances with getting xp groups (which seem to want nothing but mana bombs from lvl 40 and up). Not even sure if I'd take mana as secondary spec.

LIGHT > MANA

Don't listen to those idiots telling you what to spec and what to do and how useless you are the way you are, omg I just hate that. It's people with behavior like that who ruin most of the fun. They prolly had a bad time as children (or still are children).

So just send em a PM: I feel sorry for you lost soul. And put him on /ignore

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

It's the same for druids that have high nature (36 here).
Some people even ask you how you are specialized before inviting you into their RvR-group and tell you that you can't join, because your buffs suck.

Ah well.......as long as I enjoy playing

 

[inuyasha]

Well

Originally posted by oblivion_6


Not to shit on you m8 but you got ur eld to lv 21 did you not?

How can you possibly comment on how bad an eld char is?

Its like going to london and only going to Soho dont make you able to say "Londons full of hookers!"

em well you know what im trying to say lol

Gorguss's eldrich is level 16, but still, you don't have to play a char to level 50 to get a clue =) Lets see: In the lower levels void is on the paper the best spec to choose, since it seems comparely much better then the others, so if you do not have a quite happy view of your spec at the low levels, it might be that its no good for you =)

On later levels, you can read about your class, i encourage www.mypetmage.com, and clearly see the development of the different classes and spells compared, and so i know that gorguss did. Compared: for groups:
with light he would have a better dd, better debuff, area mess and, for the good that could give, nearsight.
If he had mana, he would have had a waay better area damage (about 3 times better, 4 times if he was enchanter) and if needed be, he had a area attack speed reduction blast just 6 dam less then the one in the void line. Even more..he would have had a dieasese that negate hp regain, and a con/strenght debuff.
The only thing the void spec provides that has any value compared to the other specs is the bolt. This bolt cost much mana, it can miss, be blocked, evaded and resisted. Cept for that one, a equal level light blast would deal more then the rest. In fact, a light blast deal more damage then the main spec bolt as well, just not over the same range, since its 2 sec rather then 4.
At later levels they does it slightely better in groups then a light specced one, but that their only strenght. Against 1 mob in groups or solo, they are easily beaten, against several mobs they manage as a 4'th choise of a area blaster (after mana enchanter, mana eldrich, light ments).

The strenght of this spec however is in the rvr, where its quite forcefull indeed. The thread here however, was wheter or not a void eldrich is wanted in groups, and from what i can conclude, they are not.

That was also the view i got when i stopped playing my level 35 void eldrich.

Gorguss knows all about my struggle to level this char, so even though his char is just level 16, that does not mean he does not know what he talkes about, just that he does not bother to waste the time writing all this that i indeed do =)

Point, 40 light enchanter
Inuyasha: 42 hero
Time, 35 eldrich (no longer void but still naked so still inactive)
Roflmario Bros: Gimped out mana regen toy =)

 

[VodkaFairy]

Big /flex at Amadon. Exactely how I think about it. People who have no "skill", if there even is such a thing in a game, can be great people to talk to.

 

[ilaya]

Hehe! i know what u mean Vodka.. we talk often dont we? arf arf!

Btw.. is this i spec thread? can't remember..

Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer 50 Lurichamp (GM Hearts of Fire)

 

[Spudgie]

The best are the ones who can -

• Nuke peeps
• Be nuked
• Zerg
• Be Zerged
• Kill
• Be killed

But have a massive laugh in the process

 

[VodkaFairy]

Well Ilaya, you're using a lollypop, I'm using toothpicks, so I guess we're both noobs

 

[Gorguss]

Originally posted by oblivion_6


Not to shit on you m8 but you got ur eld to lv 21 did you not?

How can you possibly comment on how bad an eld char is?

Its like going to london and only going to Soho dont make you able to say "Londons full of hookers!"

em well you know what im trying to say lol

Generally you won't be able to condemn a class by playing it up to lvl 16, or 20 for that matter. But in this exact situation I have my info I need to make such a judgement. I did'nt say void eldritches sucks, I said that I was dissappointed with the effectiveness of eldritches compared to what it said on paper.

I feel no need to justify my post any further than that.

 

[oblivion_6]

Originally posted by Gorguss
I said that I was dissappointed with the effectiveness of eldritches compared to what it said on paper.

Surely what it said on paper really applies to the high level eldritch characters

 

[Gorguss]

Originally posted by oblivion_6


Surely what it said on paper really applies to the high level eldritch characters

It applies to low lvl characters as well, you usually do a lot more dmg than specified as well. The things I did not see on the spell list however is how often a bolt can be evaded or it misses entirely etc. Again, I'm not saying void eldritches suck, it just did'nt do what I expected.