Weaponskill

[old.mattshanes]

Does weaponskill effect damage?or does it improve accuracy?can anyone confirm this?since i had a 13.8 dps offhand sword with effective dps of 13.2 it was a df one what you expect and another df one effective dps 14.6 yet once equipped i had same weapon damage and lower skill but didn't hit that much harder.

So anyone?

 

[Rasp]

Increased weapon skill increases the cap possibility on your maximum damage.

A good example is critical strike for rogue classes. Each point adds about 9 damage to the crit max ( each point after 50 that is ).

Of course the point increase after 50 has diminishing returns compared to the pre-50 value but lots of rogues still whack 50 points into CS and with items and RR can get to 66+ skill.



Rasp.

 

[old.mattshanes]

I don't mean that weaponskill i mean the one above the weapon damage box

 

[vermillon]

For as i know weapon skill doesn't have anything to do with maximum damage, it just effects the minimun damage you do on targets and the chance to hit. So the greatest the weapon skill the smaller damage variation you got.
Well not 100% sure about it, but it looks to me that it works like this.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by vermillon
For as i know weapon skill doesn't have anything to do with maximum damage, it just effects the minimun damage you do on targets and the chance to hit. So the greatest the weapon skill the smaller damage variation you got.
Well not 100% sure about it, but it looks to me that it works like this.

from my experiences I would have to agree with this too

your maximum damage is decided by your weapon spec and the dps of your weapon, your minimum seems to be dependant on your weapskill (which is what gets affected by str/dex depending on weapon type..) and it may also affect your chances to hit

 

[old.mattshanes]

Is weaponskill 1298 good?

 

[maxgirth]

The weapon damage box gives actual dps,just put a decimal point in there ie:- 1410 becomes 14.10 dps.

The only time you notice a change in weapon skill is when you are rezz sick it goes down 50% I do believe.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Is weaponskill 1298 good?

yep not bad, slightly higher than mine I think

 

[old.Sko]

Weapon skill is used in damage formula, affecting minimal damage you do. It has nothing to do with chance to hit.
To prove it to yourself you can pick some 50 level mob and hit it with and without rez sickness. Though you will do 1/2 damage (because your weap. skill is halved), you will land roughly same amount of hits.

By the way, in other thread rogue damage was mentioned - i had chance to compare my w. skill and w. skill of exc. shadowblades unbuffed.
for me its 930, they run around with 910-946. Maximal value was shown by critblade as i remember.
PS. CS 44 rocks

 

[old.mattshanes]

Seems true actually when i had lower weaponskill i.e 900s i lost to a orange shredder just about and when i had 1200-1300 weaponskill i won with 60% hp left or so and the damage variance wasn't hardly anything.

 

[old.Gryllus]

I experienced with the weapskill a long time ago with my infil.(yeah, everyone has at least one infil in the stable

As far as I can tell, the left hand weapon had absolutely no effect on the weapskill, only the right hand one.
Correct me, if I am wrong , that was far before this patch.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Lefthand did for me i checked as i changed them

 

[Yussef]

Weaponskill does effect chance to hit to some extent, because you need to check Weaponskill vs Enemy's Dex which in turn effects the chance to parry/block.

 

[Murcalumis]

Yussef, on the subject of weapons; check your private messages, gimp!

 

[Yussef]

Yes, now check yours

 

[Meatballs]

maek me 100% qua x2 longdirks and 100% qua x1 guarded rapier yussef! an cheap! thx!

<sits and waits for 1.54 so he can get some 16.5dps long dirkies >

 

[old.Krusha]

the formula for dmg calculation goes something like this.....

Damage = WeapDmg (which is a possibly capped weapon DPS) * Delay * Quality * Condition * (WeapSkill / Target's AF)

ye ol' to hit vs not to be hit

Things that affect your chance to-hit something:
- Enchanted bonus on your weapon (and bonus also increases damage contrary to what is said from Sanya)
- Your level vs. their level (the higher their are than you, the harder they'll be to hit)
- The number of people fighting the same opponent - this isn't group dependant.
- Weapons Styles with bonus to-hit
- Str, Dex, Qui...NONE of the base stats have any effect on your chance to-hit (I disagree with the Dex portion of this statement from my own experience)

Things that affect your chance to NOT get hit by something:
- Enchanted bonus on your armor
- Weapon styles with bonus to defense
- Dex affects your chances to Block & Parry
- Dex & Qui affects your chances to Evade
- Your level vs. their level (the lower the level they are to you, the harder it is for them to hit you)
- Armor Factor on your Armor affects the chance to negate a blow (seen as a miss)
- Absorb % on your armor affects how much dmg taken when you do get hit
- AF also decreases the damage taken

all info curtesy the guys with to much time on their hands over on VNBoards

 

[Gimly]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Is weaponskill 1298 good?

Think mine is at about 1486.. will check it when next in game (about a week )

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Gimly


Think mine is at about 1486.. will check it when next in game (about a week )

erm, unbuffed??

 

[Ezeine]

Not sure if this fact has been said in the ramblings in this thread but the weapon quality affects weaponskill.

So support your local crafters

 

[Gimly]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca


erm, unbuffed??

Yep.. as I said will have to check on the figure but that is about right.. I have 50+10 in Slash which i think bumped it up.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Gimly


Yep.. as I said will have to check on the figure but that is about right.. I have 50+10 in Slash which i think bumped it up.

well that's a bit insane, I've asked what heros in hib have fully buffed and it's only in the 1500 region..

personnally unbuffed my weapSkill is 10xx I think... have 50 + 12 in LW. with self buff it's ~1250ish..

 

[old.Bubble]

armsmen/heros/warriors have a higher weapon skill anyway
remember they have a base +45 str more than you

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
armsmen/heros/warriors have a higher weapon skill anyway
remember they have a base +45 str more than you

that's why the first thing I said was to compare his supposed unbuffed weaponSkill to a FULLY BUFFY hero..

next I pointed out how much of a gain in weapSkill my self buff (+75 str) was for me, and thus implying that a hero since when bufed has 15xx or low 16xx weapSkill means that unbuffed they'd still be in a 12-13xx range, not nearly 1500 by any means....

and I'm a champ, primary stat is str so I get +45 from levels too.. so they're not +45 more than me at all... with self buff I have 251 str, far more than any armsman I reckon.. so the disparity that gimly states seems a bit insane.. also, if albs really do have that much weapSkill *unbuffed* how is it that I hit for a *lot* more damage than them always?

oh and going from +11 to +12 LW was worth a whopping +9 weapSkill when fully buffed.. just incase you're curious

 

[old.Bubble]

armsmen as a class get more weapons skill
i mean Hargard has 1k+ weapons skill at lvl 50 without capping his str
my Paladin(lvl50) has his str capped and has just below him :/

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
armsmen as a class get more weapons skill
i mean Hargard has 1k+ weapons skill at lvl 50 without capping his str
my Paladin(lvl50) has his str capped and has just below him :/

yes I know that, my point is that they don't get *that* much more weapSkill. when I am fully buffed with str at 301 (LW weapskill is based on STR) which is above the soft cap so further str would do nothing, my weaponskill is at 1443 with as I said before 50+12 in LW spec. if you think an armsman can have more weapskill unbuffed with an (albeit only minisculely) lower wep spec you're insane..

hargard has over 1k weapskill? so do I, I have 1026 or so, and my self buff for +75 str is worth just over 200 weapskill..

since my str buf is +75, the same as the +str from items cap.. for hargard to have what gimly said in wepSkill he would need to gain 400~ wepskill from from 75 str (ignoring the fact he already has some +str items not none at all..). if you think the difference between a hybrid and a pure tank is such that one gets effectively double the weapskill of the other.. well I'm sorry but that is just insane..

 

[DocWolfe]

my scout has about 1300 weap skill with 42+7 bow at 45

 

[Gimly]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca

well that's a bit insane, I've asked what heros in hib have fully buffed and it's only in the 1500 region..

personnally unbuffed my weapSkill is 10xx I think... have 50 + 12 in LW. with self buff it's ~1250ish..

Well was able to check last night

Think i got the weapon skill and the weapon damage mixed up a bit Weapon skill is 1340.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Gimly


Well was able to check last night

Think i got the weapon skill and the weapon damage mixed up a bit Weapon skill is 1340.

now that I can believe

 

[old.mattshanes]

Hmmm i changed my weapons over and now have less but hit faster and harder.