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Lethul

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Puppet said:
SB's are the best Assassins; they just all whiny bastards who play the class.

Atleast SB can spec out of Viper3 and voilla he didnt waste a 30 points of RA's which works on ALL classes except Nightshades. Not a too bad trade-off IMO.

In the meantime he could get Phoebus Necklace and totally rape other assassins with 75% style-reduction, where other assassins cant get that. Combined with more HP and highest CON race available to assasins this does add up.

Left-Axe is far superiour when it comes to applying poisons quick and reliable to the enemy. Also the ability to use Malice Axe in your offhand and still make it proc alot while bashing with a heater/freezer-mainhand on those other sneaks is a big plus. That outweights the 'omg I do only 87.5% mainhand damage' whines by far IMO.

Surely SB's need to work 'harder' to be competativer (healer bot for haste; shaman for spec-buffs, spec-AF charges) but once you did that stuff you're prolly king of the hill with a Shadowblade.

tihi, funneh :p
 

PhiCa

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majik said:
In summary, we aren't all whiny bastards, it's just you who needs to get a fucking clue, retard.

Why go so low calling him a retard? :touch: Imo Puppet has some good points really... as do ur self. Just get over it
 

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PhiCa said:
Why go so low calling him a retard? :touch: Imo Puppet has some good points really... as do ur self. Just get over it

He called the SB community whiny bastards, I called him a retard, if he doesn't want to be insulted, dont start insulting people, end of.
 

GrIrcSpammer

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dont we all have some points ;x puppet dont tell me u actually believe sbs hit for 87,5 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 

GrIrcSpammer

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still giving remedy to ns's isnt what i would call reasonable and tbh i dont see why i should get an oped item to win >><< (altho its in my template already).
 

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Puppet said:
SB's are the best Assassins; they just all whiny bastards who play the class.
lol haha
put a smile on my face in the morning :D
givf more whine threads tis good work reading
 

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majik said:
So what about:

Unbalanced by poor armour tables.

Doesnt really matter all that much.Shadowblades are slash weak and thrust-resistant, if you want to bring that in as 'poor armour table' then:

S/c debuff effects sb 100% and other assassins 50%.

So the enemy assassin is using thrust/pierce weapon-spec; which you are resistant to. This negates your armour-tables argument - or alternatively the debuff argument.

The lack of a direct stun after evade.

Once again this is only if the enemy goes thrust/pierce. For infiltrators this means totally dropping Wyrd-spec overboard.

The lack of positional styles.

I dunno what you specifically referring to, CS line is same for all assassins. Left-Axe indeed lacks positionals; but in most cases assassins go higher CS and use those styles. Great reactionals, side-positional, openers from stealth.

And this thread is about Remedy, REMEDY PREVENT THE MALICE PROC AFFECTING THE NIGHTSHADE.

In summary, we aren't all whiny bastards, it's just you who needs to get a fucking clue, retard.

The comments I made where specifically about shadowblades; out of 38~ enemies there's 1 who at RR5 has a great chance to negate your poison and procs. How about all archers complaining about shield-classes lol.

Perhaps the 'all Shadowblades are whiny bastards' was abit over the top. I should have said 98% .

Also a RR1 shadowblade can have 75% style-reduction for 5~ out of 15 mins. Aint that unbalanced then? OMG lets make a thread about that.
 

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GrIrcSpammer said:
dont we all have some points ;x puppet dont tell me u actually believe sbs hit for 87,5 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

It was an arbitrary number. It depends heavily on spec of the SB. All I know is that a SB with Phoebus Necky has greater mainhand dps and greater offhand dps then an infil :D
 

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Puppet said:
It was an arbitrary number. It depends heavily on spec of the SB. All I know is that a SB with Phoebus Necky has greater mainhand dps and greater offhand dps then an infil :D

stop giving sbs more clues

:f
 

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Puppet the cs line styles are shite. If you were any sort of an assassin player would would know this.

The hamstring/leaper line has 2 bleed styles in it. The left axe line has one positional, whereas infils and nightshades have access to many more.

And why didn't you quote and reply to the fact that SB damage is based 100% on strength and therefore SB's are effected 100% by s/c debuff whereas other assassins aren't. The reason is Shadowblades are underpowered and anyone who has half a brain cell can see that, if you really believe SB is overpowered you should be exiled with that moron MBison from irc and fed to tiger sharks.
 

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majik said:
Puppet the cs line styles are shite. If you were any sort of an assassin player would would know this.

After playing a ranger for 9 realmranks I think I got a pretty accurate idea about the CS-line. I face it every day and see the style-bonusses on em (due to Winged Helmet feedback <3). What you're basically saying an anytime chain with ~1.0 growth-rate is shit. An evade-chain with 1.2~ growth-rate is shit. Compare that to the typical 0.6~ anytime and 0.8~ growth-rate on non-assassins with reactionaries and I laugh at you. If you think thats shite I feel sorry for you.

The hamstring/leaper line has 2 bleed styles in it. The left axe line has one positional, whereas infils and nightshades have access to many more.

CS-styles > LA/DW/CD styles in raw damage. 50 DW is the exception of a nice semi-anytime in 1vs1 but dont be mistaken: Its quite easy to avoid getting Dualshadow'ed. 18 CD Ice-storm is great; but no decent NS will use CD-styles as main source of damage. CS > CD for NS if you spec smart.

And why didn't you quote and reply to the fact that SB damage is based 100% on strength and therefore SB's are effected 100% by s/c debuff whereas other assassins aren't.

You're right about this; but if you introduce this you force the NS/INF to spec Pierce/Thrust which suddenly makes your armour resistant to their damage. Legendaries solve this; but you can use them too. Which makes the weakest armour argument non-existant.

The reason is Shadowblades are underpowered and anyone who has half a brain cell can see that, if you really believe SB is overpowered you should be exiled with that moron MBison from irc and fed to tiger sharks.

Shadowblades aint overpowered; I was sarcastic in that. But they certainly aint underpowered. They're actually quite balanced, and with Phoebus Harp necklace-use2 up; they're overpowered.

Anyhow you show you're not very informed about assassins when u discard the CS-lines as 'shite'.
 

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CS STYLES ARE SHITE MAJTS .. or not ? ;x hamstring chain > all better in game + def bonus still remove remedy plix
 

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GrIrcSpammer said:
CS STYLES ARE SHITE MAJTS .. or not ? ;x hamstring chain > all better in game + def bonus still remove remedy plix

it is a balance RA, like AP was for NS's :clap:
 

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Infs Get

(1) Assassinate R5L0 RA: 15s setup ambush, attack enemy withing 750u and LOS, 10m RUT


NS Get

(1) Remedy R5L0 RA: ingest poison, cost 10% HPs, immune to poison/DOT, 60s dur, 5m RUT


SB Get

(1) Shadow Strike R5L0 RA: nightime ambush, 10s setup, teleport/perf 1000u LOS target, 10m RUT

Now I don't know how often you use or how useful you find Shadow Strike but I find Assassinate quite useful. Either Remedy should go up to 10m RUT or others should come down to 5m RUT. I have stopped using Viper due to Remedy on NS and put this into MOP. It is a problem when fighting an NS (IF they stay around long enough to fight) with poision but I think it is something we just have to live with, I doubt it will dissapear. I see the pain that SB's have with strength based weapons and the debuff and seeing they have less styles and also have to battle the remedy maybe something should happen for them, what? I don't know.

All in all alot of this is can be over come by the skill of the player. I have tough fights with SB's and NS's alike depending on who they are, and easy fights again depending on who they are. This is not always down to their RR either. I hope the assassins from other realms understand what I mean?
 

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Puppet said:
Anyhow you show you're not very informed about assassins when u discard the CS-lines as 'shite'.

When I refered to the CS-line being shit, I was refering to the reoccuring style effects, nightshades only have to spec 25 pierce to get an after evade stun so they can get high CS also and get the utility and damage from that. Infiltrators have 2.5 spec points so they can still get dragonfang and maintain high damage and utility. Shadowblades have to spec 39 left axe for the stun, meaning that they have to be rr6/7 to get a viable spec.

Understand now?
 

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majik said:
When I refered to the CS-line being shit, I was refering to the reoccuring style effects, nightshades only have to spec 25 pierce to get an after evade stun so they can get high CS also and get the utility and damage from that. Infiltrators have 2.5 spec points so they can still get dragonfang and maintain high damage and utility. Shadowblades have to spec 39 left axe for the stun, meaning that they have to be rr6/7 to get a viable spec.

Understand now?


Ah utility. Im guessing anytime snare, 7 sec stun from stealth (CD), Bleeds and Attack Speed Debuffs aren't good enough. And guess what: Not all enemy assassins have stun after evade (bladeshades and slashinfs dont) and they seem to do fine.

Anyhow u blabbing semantics now; all these so called shortcomings of CS (tho I dont see em; unless U think stun after evade should be part of CS... LOL @ that) aren't unique to Shadowblades. So that aint what makes the SB so weak. As said Dualwield dont have much use for Infs except Dual Shadows argueably but that makes em less suited for killing casters/visibles fast.
 

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Puppet said:
Ah utility. Im guessing anytime snare, 7 sec stun from stealth (CD), Bleeds and Attack Speed Debuffs aren't good enough. And guess what: Not all enemy assassins have stun after evade (bladeshades and slashinfs dont) and they seem to do fine.

Anyhow u blabbing semantics now; all these so called shortcomings of CS (tho I dont see em; unless U think stun after evade should be part of CS... LOL @ that) aren't unique to Shadowblades. So that aint what makes the SB so weak. As said Dualwield dont have much use for Infs except Dual Shadows argueably but that makes em less suited for killing casters/visibles fast.

You just don't get it do you? Other classes have the choice to spec for the stun style and maintain damage and utility from CS line. Whether they choose to ignore it is up to them, shadowblades to get utility have to spec in CS and if they want stun also they have to spec in LA, meaning they can only do this sufficiently at rr6/7.

If a nightshade specs blade spec, but has the availability of a stun style in pierce, and can use legendaries to counteract any armour table, then thats up to him. Shadowblades don't even have the option.
 

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You talking about good english hugmeh? your name is a good start, then your praise to MajIII is another , then MajIII's praise to you is another.

I Salute thee both.
 

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BadGateway said:
You talking about good english hugmeh? your name is a good start, then your praise to MajIII is another , then MajIII's praise to you is another.

I Salute thee both.

Drunk again?
 

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