Very annoyed at the state of Hibernia's RVR showing

[Novamir]

After just having come back from having my butt kicked around emain by one (the only) well organised eek6group of albs, it's very dissapointing to see the laclustre defence we are putting up for our realm.

Nowadays we still can't compete in numbers, but we have a decent number of 45+ players who should GET ORGANISED and KICK BUTT.

Yes this means get out there, organise a chat group, listen to someone who seems to know what they are doing and don't run about like stupid headless chickens chasing single green con highlanders (we can all be guilty of this sometimes ).

RVR is supposed to be fun but how fun is it when the only macro we have use for is /release ?

grrrrr

 

[Ortunga]

Was going to post a bit of a rant here myself about how things suck in general in Hibernian RvR.

Thing is im sat in the merchant keep after a very fast and succesful raid carried out by us so Im not quite as fired up as I was. Was a good turn out tonight, was nice to be in a sea of hibs for a change.

Mind you, we take the keep and everyone runs to the alb wall for the usual serving of pointless dashes to the alb PK and guard pulls. Sure I can understand going to the wall, its a defensive position but I really wish people would realise that theres nothing to be gained by going any further.

Its frustrating on a realm level when half of the force keeps running off on pointless charges after greys but you would think 8 people could get it together to stay in one place but I must say its a rare occasion that I'm in a group like that.

So please lets just get together and stay in one place? they will come to us, they want to fight, thats what there here for not just to laugh at us as we pull the guards for the trillianth time.

 

[Herbal Remedy]

Yeah its damn funny when u guys do that ullnever learn
thx for the laughs though

 

[old.NorME]

Yep we should organize groups better, but I find that when i haveto release i also change groups .. Coz i have to use the warden speed to get ppl out to emain again from ligen. That is if there is no bard there.

I have been grouping with alot of different ppl, so i know who that has good groups

But we should be better on making those groups stick. And I do luv RvR.

And Terminus, you kick ass Luv ur root.

:whip: So all u grey conned dudes out there get in one big group and go pull guards :whip:

lol

Btw, we are getting good at taking keeps tho. Crauchon went smooth.

 

[Armolas]

Yeah, i have lost count of the number of times I have been at alb PK and yelled "fall back to the wall".

Defending the wall makes sense, camping the PK does not.


1. THe wall is a spot with a nice defensive position for us; the tanks get the albs coming through a small choke poit, out of line of sight for the enemy caster, we (casters and archers) get the battlements to sit in and rain fire on the approaching albs.

2. The albs HAVE to break through the wall to come and play in the rest of Emain.

As opposed to us charging the PK, where

1. We are attaking a defensible position accross open ground, Alb archers have freedom to pick off incoming tanks, caster cannot cast without getting into longbow range. If we go to close we will pull the guards (doesn't everyone know that by now? it seems not )

2. There is nothing there for us to get. We can't get past, it is a dead end. Yes you can suicide if you want to go home but that is it.

There is no tactical or strategic reson to keep them bottled up in the PK, as opposed to at the wall, where we can defend well, taking far fewer losses.

And f course by lettig them come out to the wall you have a fighting chance of actually killing a few, a stand off at the PK isn't as much fun for either side as trying to hold / break through the wall.

 

[razorboy]

I think you guys got the players and lvles to make a difference in emain too. Just make a good group, and attack us when we don't expect it <yay>

 

[Seerkind]

Agreed 100% with Armolas, I was having the same same discusion with a freind of mine.
Ok chase the Albs maybe to the 1st hill if(hehe WHEN) they start running, but please no further as the wall is an excellent strategic defending point.

 

[old.Hothnogg]

Wall good, PK bad

Achers and casters love to stand on wall and rain shots down on them tin cans and tanks like the chance to pummle invaders as they stick there head past the gate. Problaim is when one runs off after albs most the rest do too. If you stand your ground at the wall and not follow, many others will stay behind when they see more staying than going.
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Hothnogg beta level 36, live 42, reroll level 5

 

[Ortunga]

Aye,

Its a fool that charges into certain doom but not as much of a fool as the one who follows him.

 

[Aeiedil]

nothing wrong with charging into certain doom i do it all the time both as NS and as luri LW champ

 

[Salazar]

Yep yep... only problem with staying at the wall is that we will most propably get mids inc. from behind...
Stick together

 

[old.Nol]

discipline

also dissappointed, but mostly I think it is a lack of discipline. I think there are a few basic RVR strategies that need to be spread among the various alliances.

I wish the retreating flood could be stemmed...

 

[old.Charonel]

I'm curious but why is it that we can only field around 10 people in rvr? 15 if were really lucky.

each time I go to emain we're constantly outnumbered by a shit load of albions... but the thing is though, I've SEEN our full army. saw it on those keep raids a while ago and it's bloody huge. not quite the size of the full albion one for sure. but for emain rvr it's MORE than large enough to rule the zone.

so why is it that each time I go to emain there are only 15 people max defending the realm?

take last night for example. in the early stages we were nicely organized, had a small force which was around the same size as the albions and middies, we knew what we were doing... the result was that as someone said "this is great!, it's easy when were organized" and we were just going round steamrollering everything in sight. then albion got reinforced, but as usual we didn't. the result of THAT was that we got our arses kicked all the way back to crim by a huge bunch of albions (relative to our forces anyway) and were wiped out.

now we have plenty of high lvl's in hib, not as many as alb or mid maybe but were not exactly short of them either. but why are most of them NEVER there? and the mid levels just dont bother at ALL. NONE of them seem to turn up to make up the numbers. instead we just have one or two high lvl's (eblassair's usually there, balnor, tylar, salazar). another 10 or 11 lvl 30 - 35's and more or less that's it.

now considering that we have to deal with around 40 lvl 30 - 35's, about 15 - 20 lvl 40+ and most of the time you can more or less just double those numbers (from albion) it's really no surprise that we get slaughtered each time we go there.

but what pisses me off isn't the fact that albion has such vast numbers... it's that the vast majority of our own people just refuse to turn up at all. now no one expects people to be there everytime but ffs dont any of you even go ONCE!?

I ask alliance chat about 15 times for back up... no one comes.

I mean surely you all can't be lvl'ing ALL the time? its' not like it isn't mind numbingly boring or anything

personally most of the time I'm in rvr it's to get AWAY from xp'ing. how the hell you guys spend so much time at it I'll never know but you must be since none of you are ever helping in emain.

sorry if this sounds like a rant but I'm just a bit tired of being outnumbered 5:1 when the main reason is that most of our force can't be arsed to turn up.

sure we'd still be outnumbered if the whole or our forces and the whole of the albion forces turned up, but not by THAT much!

tonight I was part of a 7 person group trying to hold the valley from over 30 purple con albions ffs. needless to say we got slaughtered but for some wierd reason we managed to hold it for a while anyway. now if we can do that we shouln't have any problems if we ALL (or at least MOST) actually bothered to turn up!

so please. just give rvr a try? if you've never done it before it's actually fun, and to all the really high lvl's who dont seem to rvr anymore. well I just hope it's because you only having a short break. because if it's not then you've effectively killed the hibernian rvr scene since no one will bother if all they can expect is a long run to emain in order to be instantly steamrollered by an albion army that's five or six times the size of their force and levels.

so again. sorry if this just sounds like a rant, but I'm just sick of rvr being a pointless run to emain so that I can go (and watch everyone else go) to give the enemy realms some cheap and easy rp's. just starting to piss me off that's all.

now that I'm in the 30's I no longer tend to die in a single hit though which is nice. but seriously, if your getting "single hit's" from over 40 people at once your not going to last long. if we had more numbers then at least there'd be more people for them to target so that they wouldn't have to keep firing arrows into my ugly mug

but either way. please just come to rvr sometimes. if your asked in alliance chat to come help then could at least ONE of you turn up? of course in cases such as urca's where she was VERY close to hitting lvl 40 etc... no one would expect you to drop it and come to rvr, and so it's completely understandable that she didnt come. but I'm quite sure that not everyone's in the same position.


P.S. on a side note though. small scale solo rvr's still good. came online late last night/morning to check the keep status on cruachon when I heared we were retaking it. got five feet out of ligen and got stabbed by some foolish blue con infiltrator who (according to what people had said after) had been terrorizing ligen for a while and had the place nicely locked up.

lol. next time mate dont attack an eldritch who just lvl'd earlier that day and got a brand new void bolt to play around with... quickcast's a bitch ain't it?

thx for the 22 realm points though

so remember, void eldritch = bloated ego and the "we can kill anything in one hit mentality" so we wont be doing any running from you infiltrator scum anytime soon (hehe just joking. you got me to 25% health with that poison actually. nice try mate and lol @ me for forgetting all my shields when I logged on, was wondering why my bladeturn hadn't worked. then I noticed... DOH!)

 

[old.AoR_Finn]

Ooo.. the retreating flood... I shudder when it passes.. like a herd of wilder beast. Sorry.. I been there and done that..

I have also seen half our defenders running off after 2 albs while 3 or 4 would have been more than sufficient.. Perhaps if we can get organised and have a set group on each side peel off at need or the first single group to see the enemy charges them.. but not half the army.. Geesh!

I agree the lack of cohesion and organisation and discipline dux big time. I still have a laugh other wise I wouldn't play anymore but could see it becoming frustrating if I was a higher lvl..

 

[old.Iunliten]

I have run there thrice with my lvl 17 have become one shouted by a skald
a ministrel
and instahitted by an infiltrator

then I have been insta hit one time in gorge by an inf went right back and saw a shadowblade ran and a hunter sent a pet rat after me.

So far has one smitecleric spared me(altough he was very close to bolt me) and one funny troll that I jumped around with a little while.

Must say albs and mids really know how to kill grey cons so so far my RP stats are
Taken Given
0 4

Someday I will find a red con and then I shall bolt him.

 

[Aeiedil]

before or after he takes you down

today i was annoyed i saw a group of about 8 gray-blue con albs, so i started working on them

stab stab, a green and gray caster down, they start splitting

stab, a blue (fresh-res i found out) melee is down

and then i go ld

come back to see middies charging where my albs where so that kinda ended that

i also took a few orange casters today

 

[Brennik]

a) Yes, exping is boring. That's why I'd like to get it over with as soon as possible.

b) I hate seeing orange con enemies. As a dr00d, I can survive a yellow until help arrives and actually kill a blue if I get lucky.

c) Keep pingpong is useless and boring until there's actually a garrison of people inside ready to defend at all times. When is that going to happen? When people got "extra" lvl 50 chars to sit in the keeps. Crauchon will be very much harder to take when the next patch with the new crafting materials comes in, because all the highlevel crafters (most of which are pretty decent levels too) will spend time sitting there.

d) Thanks for keeping their (relatively) lower levels busy in Emain so we can come steamroll them with our lvl 50s in a week or two. I am sure Albs are in for a rude awakening one fine day in not so distant future...

 

[Danya]

If you want a play with an alb charonel, I'll give you a run for your money... Hard to quickcast when you're dead as soon as the mez breaks

 

[old.Verata]

I agree with Brennik here. It may offend some people, but I personally couldn't be bothered with going on a keep raid to Alb/Mid or putting together a group to retake Crauchon. All we ever do is go in, take the keep and then bugger off again. We never stay to defend, we never move on to attempt a relic take, nothing.

I'll be there to join in on any relic raid or to defend our relics at a moments notice, but keep raids are totally pointless if we don't try to use the advantage we've gained from taking them.

 

[old.Enscepti...alya]

I've never understood why people would camp outside the Portal Keep. One time someone pulled the guards and one Man-At-Arms followed him all the way back to the wall, single handedly killing of the entire Hibernian army there. Apparently PK guards are immortal, which makes it all the more insane to camp a PK.

Camping the wall in Emain is fun, especially with like 2 or 3 8-people groups, with a chat channel to unite em. Done it a few times, and it's more effective than any full Hib army I've been in. But we usually don't stay around to be overrun; it's happened too often that Midgard attacks us from behind while we're holding of Albs.

I think Keep raids are never organized very good. The best one I've seen was one which had a diversion attack. The diversion resulted in the taking of an Alb merchant keep, and wiping out 2 medium sized medium leveled Alb armies, the main force failed. The diversion force came to help the main force, but came too late. And then happened what always happens: 50% of the Hibs gave up after their first release, 25% regroups at Ligen, 25% is left for defending the keep against a full Alb army, and so they got wiped out just after the Ligen group left. Result: 2 small armies of Hibs that get taken off one at a time, and more and more Hibs leave RvR. That night Albs took 5 of our keeps.

My conclusion: Too many Hibs give up too soon, and too few Hibs put effort in finding out what the plans are. I also think too many Hibs yell commands, advice, or whatever, without consulting whoever seems to be leading the troops. That confuses a lot of newbie RvR'ers. When I'm in RvR, I'm gonna do my best to get the group leaders to report and gather them in a chatgroup.

Ensceptificamuralya Sombarlaechn
Warden lvl 40
<Axiom Knights>

 

[old.Nol]

tactics channel

Maybe we need to setup a guildmaster tactics channel somewhere, where GM's can discuss tactics and pass the info back into their respective guilds.

Pulling the PK gaurds has really got to stop, that is just pathetically stupid.

 

[Cuthervaen]

Rvr

Well I was xping non stop recently and this for several reasons...

Wanted that level 50 LW style badly

Was bored of this wall to PK ping pong and guards pullign contest. Will it hasn't really ended but it might be gettign better.

Was bored of taking Crauchon. We did it so often I know all the guards by their name now.

Couldn't get groups that wouldn't scatter all around emin after 30 secs of RvR. Can't do shit solo as I'm a badly nerfed tank.

But well this Friday night was better than most. We took Crauchon defended it against mids, then albs all night, then pushed albs back to wall that they couldn't cross any more, then people pulled guards as usual and we went to bed. Good night overall.

Cuth

 

[old.Tylar]

Well said Cuth

I was going to ask the guards to come to tea with us soon

 

[angara-ffs]

Yeah Cut, friday was very cool
A small group and we did a good job.

Sometimes small is much better to lead.
Well......there wasnt really a leader, with a small group u can easily see how is doing what.

Had great fun!