Vamp Classification?

[Crash]

Hey guys, having just restarted after a year absence, and playing a Vamp (fuckin fun!) would it be classed as a hybrid ? due to the fact its magic/melee ? or what :O

 

[Ryuno]

I think most people put them in the Hybrid category.

Others put them in the OMFG OP Cata classes category.

I'm still undecided myself

 

[Gear]

I'd write more if it wasn't that late, but in a couple of words a vamp is the most versatile class this moment in hib. It can suck big time, at the same time it can shine. Most of the things you need to do in a fight (apart from a straight claw fight) are circumstantial and on that will depend wheather you'll be classified as a gimp in leather, or as an OP class.

I personally like it cause it's not a one-button-class (exceptions are claw fights again), and cause I don't have to dual log

 

[Bugz]

I think most people put them in the Hybrid category.

Others put them in the OMFG OP Cata classes category.

I'm still undecided myself

'Others' refer to clueless son of a bitches.

 

[Fyric]

'others' are the people smart enough to see that bonedancers and sm's are overpowered aswell

 

[Mirt]

I guess it depends on how you play it, but HP, RAs and MLs say it's more light tank than hybrid to me.

 

[Avrot]

Its Def. a hybrid, but treated like a stealther when asking for a normal grp, big realm raids however you tend to be fine.

To me there not o/p, like all other realms they have a Nemsis, Vamps have their own. Vamps without power are dead/very lucky to live.

If you choose the worng combination of buffs to activate in the inital part of the fight as well depends on your success. Since the nerfin of the claw resist im finding a stupid amount of claw attackes are been resisted, last fight I had my claw was resisted 50% of the time, infact that happened a couple of times on different chars, inlcluding a blue cleric who was exping in Alb NF. (yes was a bad boy but he blood was sweet and warm).

Don't be fool by the No. of tricks they have, becuase a lot of them don't tend to withstand the nerf stick anyway.:touch:

 

[anioal]

it's more like a hybrid than a light tank, the thing that annoys me most is that my ranger has access to Determination while my vamp has not

 

[Howley]

ye i wuld deff call it a hybrid ... coz u can spec into a nuke also if u want (altho havent seen many )
i got a vamp...and i think they are oped coz banelord ml line.../cough
hot/claw/2000-3000hps, i tink i am the only vamp around that owns up to the o/p-ness tbh

 

[Gear]

the thing that annoys me most is that my ranger has access to Determination while my vamp has not

Without stoicism however determination is nothing great. Charge 3 on the other hand is sweet

 

[Varna]

Deffo hybrid, and I wouldnt say their OP, reavers are far more OP and they do alot better job at soloing. You need to think a little more about combating them though, but then it's the same with every new class. Pick out it's weaknesses and expose them. The only thing I find remotely OP about a vamp is charge, but in my case as a solo BM reaver, most of the time I can just PL so he has no pow for claw, then grapple him till his charge goes down.

 

[Howley]

well i got a reaver + vamp...imo vamp is more oped...
reaver-> slam-levi-levi-levi (dead) ...purge slam and u prob win
vamp-> 100% end->v.feint/e.shot->claw->claw->hot->claw-> /victory

thats reaver vs vamp imo, soo..................

 

[anioal]

well i got a reaver + vamp...imo vamp is more oped...
reaver-> slam-levi-levi-levi (dead) ...purge slam and u prob win
vamp-> 100% end->v.feint/e.shot->claw->claw->hot->claw-> /victory

thats reaver vs vamp imo, soo..................

imo u are a gimp

 

[Varna]

well i got a reaver + vamp...imo vamp is more oped...
reaver-> slam-levi-levi-levi (dead) ...purge slam and u prob win
vamp-> 100% end->v.feint/e.shot->claw->claw->hot->claw-> /victory

thats reaver vs vamp imo, soo..................

Ye, but a BM reaver will be able to disable a Vamps tools. I.e if you remove his ability to cast spells using PL, then you remove alot of his tactical advantage in 1 v 1's, coupled with Grapple while he's in charge mode you can wait for charge to-go then slam him, sometimes if theyved been near mobs they'll just throw down end drain, which can be annoying but just spam powerleak and they aren't too much trouble. I've also beat many high rr vamps as BL and ended fights 90% hp+ while they've used IP2 etc, without using bomb or twf, so I don't think the ML abilities have much of an impact, I actually think it's an issue todo more with reavers typically having high shield and the viper chain-lifetap. I'm not boasting, as I'm sure plenty of other reavers find the same. I'm not too sure about the Prydwen vamps, but on excal this typically seems the case.

I'm up for doing some tests though ;-) Lemme know.

 

[Howley]

Ye, but a BM reaver will be able to disable a Vamps tools. I.e if you remove his ability to cast spells using PL, then you remove alot of his tactical advantage in 1 v 1's, coupled with Grapple while he's in charge mode you can wait for charge to-go then slam him, sometimes if theyved been near mobs they'll just throw down end drain, which can be annoying but just spam powerleak and they aren't too much trouble. I've also beat many high rr vamps as BL and ended fights 90% hp+ while they've used IP2 etc, without using bomb or twf, so I don't think the ML abilities have much of an impact, I actually think it's an issue todo more with reavers typically having high shield and the viper chain-lifetap. I'm not boasting, as I'm sure plenty of other reavers find the same. I'm not too sure about the Prydwen vamps, but on excal this typically seems the case.

I'm up for doing some tests though ;-) Lemme know.

well ofc MLs have an impact but vamps can become Banelord too and got sum pretty good tricks...

and lol at the tests part

 

[Howley]

imo u are a gimp

imo dont call me a gimp coz i got my own opinion...

 

[Mirt]

TWF3 + Grapple is a nasty combo, however that on it's own is not going to kill any decent vamp.

BM reavers are likely to try TWF3 + Grapple + rr5 + (fake) slam + levi + levi + levi, that combo if it lands will kill most things.

Vs Grapple:

You need to recognise you're grappled and go out of combat and drink a pot (either heal or end over time) and swap in and out something with a heal charge.

There is a 2s gap between you becoming ungrappled and them being unstunned, you can take advantage of this: when you think grapple is fading, turn off /face then sprint and hammer VF, the moment you move run though and land ES (likely the only ES you'll land unless you somehow land diamond back).

After TWF is gone, most players won't grapple again, and a reaver will either power leak (very expensive style end wise) or (fake) slam & levi.

So after you've (hopefully) landed ES, you need to hit ml4, cast fumble and end tap, and proceed to lag around him. If you get slammed you need to hold off on purge until you know if it's numb (fake slam with 2s stun and 10s immunity) or the real deal, if they manage to get a levi off purge and /face, then resume lag dancing. Note when lag dancing it's best to use side style backed up wih rear style, or evade with side style, as you won't be landing eye shot and they use much less end.

Reavers are quite beatable, although they're much more challenging then most other classes, and if you're RAs are down and they land slam you're done for.

One final thing, if you're solo you basically have no excuse for a reaver (or any tank) getting the jump on you - which means you should get power tap off and cast evade + parry before they close to melee range. If their purge is down, diamond back will let you get 2 eye shots off, add banespike (and possibly ws buff) and they're in a world of hurt.

 

[Varna]

Nice advice. However, any reaver who needs to use grapple+twf in a 1 v 1 needs to re-think their morals & skill in general, it's only worth doing for mild amusement, which wears thin fairly quickly, unless it's against someone of equal morals ofc, so by all means do. I've never had any problems myself against Vamps, even when they get the jump on me, which they rarely do because i'm normally panning camera. If you get a vamp on you, engage, powerleak to remove the leech spells pow, grapple, when they hit you during the 2s after grapple, use powerleak again to drain pow, use end pot ebcause theyre likely to have used end drain on you, slam, levi levi levi. If they purge slam then it now starts to get very difficult, they will start hitting you and building up pow and using self buffs and claw, so depending how much you block, just keep throwing in powerleak as much as you can and using end pots, and use viper chain, if they start using run-thru, do the same to them but with levi . You will go through plenty of endurance pots fighting them this way though, but imo it's the best way to handle them, aslong as you keep their power down and keep pumping yourself up with end pots / malice belt charge, you won't do too badly, you just need to get the start of the fight right, becuase as soon as they start hitting you it's pretty down hill .

 

[Bugz]

TWF3 + Grapple is a nasty combo, however that on it's own is not going to kill any decent vamp.

BM reavers are likely to try TWF3 + Grapple + rr5 + (fake) slam + levi + levi + levi, that combo if it lands will kill most things.

Vs Grapple:

You need to recognise you're grappled and go out of combat and drink a pot (either heal or end over time) and swap in and out something with a heal charge.

There is a 2s gap between you becoming ungrappled and them being unstunned, you can take advantage of this: when you think grapple is fading, turn off /face then sprint and hammer VF, the moment you move run though and land ES (likely the only ES you'll land unless you somehow land diamond back).

After TWF is gone, most players won't grapple again, and a reaver will either power leak (very expensive style end wise) or (fake) slam & levi.

So after you've (hopefully) landed ES, you need to hit ml4, cast fumble and end tap, and proceed to lag around him. If you get slammed you need to hold off on purge until you know if it's numb (fake slam with 2s stun and 10s immunity) or the real deal, if they manage to get a levi off purge and /face, then resume lag dancing. Note when lag dancing it's best to use side style backed up wih rear style, or evade with side style, as you won't be landing eye shot and they use much less end.

Reavers are quite beatable, although they're much more challenging then most other classes, and if you're RAs are down and they land slam you're done for.

One final thing, if you're solo you basically have no excuse for a reaver (or any tank) getting the jump on you - which means you should get power tap off and cast evade + parry before they close to melee range. If their purge is down, diamond back will let you get 2 eye shots off, add banespike (and possibly ws buff) and they're in a world of hurt.

WTF?

If purge is down - reaver > you in most cases.

If purge is up - you > reaver.

Not rocket science :xxx

 

[Varna]

If purge is up - you > reaver.

I've proved this is not the truth many times.

 

[Mirt]

WTF?

If purge is down - reaver > you in most cases.

If purge is up - you > reaver.

Not rocket science :xxx

It's not so cut and dried.

Vs a decent shield user you HAVE to lag dance, and if you're no good at it it doesn't matter what RAs you have up, as enage will block every melee attack from a vamp.

 

[Bugz]

It's not so cut and dried.

Vs a decent shield user you HAVE to lag dance, and if you're no good at it it doesn't matter what RAs you have up, as enage will block every melee attack from a vamp.

True.

But don't most vamps lag dance anywayz since obviously allowing any hard-hitting tank to style on your leather armor without attempting to stop him is just asking to be raped.