Use and abuse of irc

[DeSlisser]

How can it be that Mids seem to know (most of the time) when large alliance events take place on Alb.

Rumour goes it was told (albs attacking odin's) by someone on irc, what channel i dont know who did it i'm also ignorant of. But if this is a trend RvR on prydwen won't be fun at all. Midgard is dominating as it is. We don't need this. Isn't fun for us Albs and i think the same will go for the mids. If not now then it will in time.

Who is lame enough to ruin the fun of others.. i hope the mids who saw the person in irc tell them know who the 'spy' is and do something with it in the spirit of this game.

Irc is a fun way to communicate with others from other the other realms but if u cannot keep ur mouth shut than don't use it !

Just as with a child, when it cannot handle the liberties he/she has gotten from parents. They take it from them. If u feel u r a child when using irc and cannot shut the F#@$ up about RvR plans then delete it from ur comp or stop playing this game others enjoy so much.

End of rant

Goodnight

 

[Ardwan]

aye, was kinda weird that there was a fairly large force of mids pretty much waiting for us when we got there.

 

[old.logun]

this was a crushing defeat and we where defeated before we even managed to get anything done... now i'm all for getting my ass wooped and comming back with a few bruises, but tonight was beyond spy's, you middies knew and any denial is futile.

frankly i'm get sick of looking forward to things like tonights raid, and getting kicked in the teeth for my efforts, sore looser maybe, i'm tired of caring now.

grr doesnt help when my lil bro has logged on to this forum and i havent logged him off...

dwyte soulavenger cleric
glimmer ravenblood scout
keneda infiltrator

 

[froler]

Thing is, that huge mass of albs CAN NOT sneak into our (read midgard) frontiers as we have scouts in odins all the time.


EoO have Odin's covered at "prime-time", Albs will not come unnoticed into our land..

nice to see some "serious" attack on our keeps thou.

 

[old.Kaylin]

Well while your complaining about misuse of irc, think of also the benefits.

IRC-Alb-1 says, Hey mids were attacking bledmere.
IRC-Mids say, Ta!

Mids proceed to rush to bledmere to find the area deserted.

2 mins later Albion forces have seized Dun Crauchon spams there screen.

It goes both ways, so think before you label it as ruining the game, as i can actually see it adding a fun new element ; ).

 

[DeSlisser]

Edit: As Xtro's post are somehow removed, i'll follow the (wise) example.


Kaylin:

read my post agian ! Didnt say irc users ruined the game, only the ones who give away detailed planning of raids to the effect of destroying it entirely. Use irc myself aswell, but when im there i manage NOT to tell others of plans made like the one that was planned this evening.

 

[DeSlisser]

Use and abuse of irc!

Use: as Kaylin mentioned. Nothing wrong with that.

Abuse: giving away plans (with exact times) on raids. Spoiling the fun of many many others.

What's the difference u say. Wel the first adds fun yes. It can give u a wrong impression. The second however is the same as having 2 accounts. One for ur main, the other to spy on another realm. And as far as i know that is not allowed by the CoC.
Why u think u cant understand what mids say when ur in the frontiers.

Look im not crusading here for a better world it's just my opinion that this is not in the spirit of the game.

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

I wouldn't expect less Froler.

However, it was odd that after porting into odins we stayed inside pk. We had a single stealther out who could see death etc outside. We moved out at full mach 5 bard speed to Bled to find it occupied by Azal and co who don't usually spend their time hanging about inside Bledmeer.

Rest of forces moved out and met large Mid forces. You could maybe say call went out quick over alliance chat and with good organisation you got out into frontier quick. Still leaves me wondering how Bled got defended so quick (quick being before a bard speed force can get from pk to Bledmeer).

If it is people giving away plans over irc/daox then yes, its a bit crappy. Kinda takes away the fun of trying to surprise your enemy and get a damn good fight going. If it wasn't that then well played Middys.

Xtro, not sure if you were pissed/stoned when you made your_3_seperate posts but if you're trying to make out that you're witty/funny/clever/big guy then you seriously failed. just make yourself look like a tool really.

Regards,

Pyrotechnix

 

[old.HiredGoon]

I find it annoying, but also impossible to avoid.

The trick might be, to simply not tell anyone about the actual plans until youre actually doing it.
that might give the attackers at least a small head start

i think

 

[froler]

Originally posted by Pyrotechnix
I wouldn't expect less Froler.


Rest of forces moved out and met large Mid forces. You could maybe say call went out quick over alliance chat and with good organisation you got out into frontier quick. Still leaves me wondering how Bled got defended so quick (quick being before a bard speed force can get from pk to Bledmeer).

it did go out quick on alliance chat, and i think it was Death who said something about it too.

something with : 7 groups of albs at amg in odin's. or more. (and that is some serious keepraiding in our lands imho..

dunno how bledmeer got occupied so fast, but my guess is alot of lvl 50's is playing alts(waiting for some decent rvr...) and logged in their main, which was parked at bledmeer, at your attack. As we had huge problem taking Bledmeer back from those hibs the other day...

and too be honest, dont expect Odin's not too be camped at prime-time on a saturday....


good luck next time.

/Froler

 

[old.Kaylin]

My point was if enough albs use the second option, irc for misinformation, then it becomes a non viable method of giving away plans.

After the 3rd Alb/Hib has cried wolf they will get the idea not to pay attention to people telling them stuff.

just my thoughts anyway, could be wrong(hey i often am)

 

[old.dwyte]

i got an idea why dont we just tell them our plans and be done with it.

seems if we have an opinion we are whiners, seems if we play it safe we are campers, and if we hang back and lvl, they bitch coz they cant farm RP's....

just no pleasing some people

xtro i think you got a bit too much time on your hands... you actualy searched for cheese sites to make a point? what ever gets you going i guess....

time for a bit of JK2 i think

 

[[TNN]Aardvark]

Spy caught, hung, drawn and quartered. I doubt most mids knew what was going on, I know some helped track him down, but I'm also sure some have been trying to keep it quiet. So, shame on you. As for the unknowings and helpers: no hard feelings, and thanks

 

[Fex]

Well I know that Savage Conclave had someone in Bledmeer for around an hour or so before the raid actually took place. We were alerted by guild chat and most of our high level people headed out to Yggdra gates met up and went to Bledmeer. There are also scouts in Odins most of the time so the second theres a group of 10 or more ppl we know about it. Its not too hard to guess which keeps you are going to go for as it's usually Bledmeer because its a merchant keep or closest.

I think that Midgards forces need a big pat on the back for a job well done and it was great to see so many Middies rushing out to Odins when the cry went out.

 

[Ottar]

Er.. Pyro, something doesn't sound right. Dunno anything about IRC, when I logged in was already panic department all over. Reacted slowly - when large group of albs was reported coming through AMG, I had time to crawl my encumbered main from undead camp to Vindsaul, log in with alt and transfer ton of siege equippment. Wait for people to group with. Then move to defend Hlidskjalf. You guys were already there but not more than a minute or two. Doors were practically undamaged. I can easily see how Azal and co got to Bledmeer much more swiftly.

We do tend to have defences ready in Odin's. Been waiting for large scale alb operation for like month now if not longer. Last weekend sat on that bloody milegate of yers in Odin's for hours, waiting. Also, as already said, we have people playing alts with their mains logged in key places. We've been also trying to promote crafting in merchant keeps. So I dunno if there was hint from some bloke via IRC.. I do doubt even if there was, that it did anything to the eventual outcome.

Good work organizing the raid but ya didn't have the force. Aside from SoTL people at Bledmeer, all the other forces had too few people/levels to take anything but completely undefended keeps. With operation that size you normally won't have undefended keeps in Midgard frontier. Pulling off 4 parallel keepraids.. ambitious but shakey.

Ottar

 

[old.Wels]

Originally posted by Pyrotechnix
I wouldn't expect less Froler.

We moved out at full mach 5 bard speed to Bled to find it occupied by Azal and co who don't usually spend their time hanging about inside Bledmeer.


Pyrotechnix

Minstrel!!

 

[DeSlisser]

Woke up, checked the thread and saw it turned into something i hoped it did.
Thank all for positive feedback on the matter. Grats to the mids for good use of pre-battle tactics. Can't deny the whole event was fun.

Just hope i won't hear story's of irc-spy's no more (yeah get real DeSlisser )


Question: who removed 2 other posts of Xtro Now i look a little silly with my harsh reply to his 3 posts

 

[Ardwan]

Originally posted by DeSlisser
Question: who removed 2 other posts of Xtro Now i look a little silly with my harsh reply to his 3 posts

nah m8, that's not why you look silly

 

[Xtro]

dunno - who cares?

btw I'm permanently pissed AND stoned at weekends. oh and no i dont see how posting on a pc gaming related forum makes anyone look like a big guy

seems like everyone is happy now we know the US Govt and the Area 51 squad werent involved in this conspiracy .

gl next time albs.

EDIT: someone is presumptuous arent they Deslisser? "his posts?"?!

 

[Ardwan]

Originally posted by Kaylin
Well while your complaining about misuse of irc, think of also the benefits.

IRC-Alb-1 says, Hey mids were attacking bledmere.
IRC-Mids say, Ta!

Mids proceed to rush to bledmere to find the area deserted.

2 mins later Albion forces have seized Dun Crauchon spams there screen.

It goes both ways, so think before you label it as ruining the game, as i can actually see it adding a fun new element ; ).

Well we thought about this, but we thought even the mids wouldn't be that stupid.....or more likely they would get lost and end up at the wrong keep...which turns out to be the one we are attacking

 

[Damon_D]

Hmmm..nahhh im to tirred goodnite :sleeping:

 

[DeSlisser]

But... but.. what about the CIA they might

 

[old.ShadowBlood]

wow you managed to have a discussion without pointing the finger at any individuals and ruining thier game well done!

 

[blain]

Well, if IRC doesn't work due to security flaws, then why not try something else, such as a GM only forum. This way should be more secure as a GM is less likely to be a spy than anyone else.

Blain
3x Healer
Modi's Marauders
Webmaster
http://prydwen-camelot.co.uk

(subtle hint in signature)

 

[old.Grizlas]

Spies are a totally unfair and cowardly way of fighting. However, they're also in every war. I'll tell you right now that I wont hesitate for a second to both deploy and organize spies for midgard if I thought it was nessecary to take our relics back. As far as i'm concerned, it's all part of the game. You have shadowblades and infiltrators and someone playing in character might consider it their duty to infiltrate the enemy and uncover their plots.

I totally agree with the GOA rules tho. Any player caught with two accounts in different realms should be banned immediately. Same goes for people that modify the game files with that tab out prog for instance. On the other hand, there are other ways of spying that are beyond the control of GOA. Presently, there is no reason for Midgaard to have spies, and as such I've gone to great lengths avoiding and discouraging spying. I've even gone as far as ignoring spy reports of your movements to be fair.

I expect you in Albion to have midgaard spies that report our movements. If you dont have any, never better. There are many ways to combat spies and if it ever becomes a problem for Midgaard we'll do everything we can to feed them misimformation, using dobbelt agents, etc. Adds a whole new dimension to the game. I suggest you do the same.

How azal happened to be in Bledmeer before your attack I dont know. I was a bit surprised myself actually, since all our forces were moving in a different direction at the time. Wheter it was a result of a spy report or so I dont know, but if it was, then you should give some thoughts to whom you bring along on raids.

In any case, attacking us on a friday, saturday or sunday will require brute force since all of midgaard has come to realize that you always attack on one or more of these days. We have people in Odins all the time and others nearby. So until you can match us in strength it would harder for us to fend off an attack during the other days of the week.

Nice to see you leading the albs Pyro. Your attack was of a whole different kaliber than what we usually see.

 

[old.Pyrotechnix]

Nice to see you still playing Griz. Seems quite a few of the old 'Beta Crew' aren't around anymore.

To be fair, I can't take 'credit' for the overall raid as it was an alliance plan. My role so far has been to help lead Servants of the Lake in both RvR events and also growing the guilds strength.

Not gonna go into details but we are 90% sure what happened with regards to this raid and have taken steps to ensure it doesn't happen again. No point going on about it, just need to /shrug now and move on.

Regards,

Pyrotechnix
Guild Leader (one of a few)
Servants of the Lake

 

[Solid]

The sad truth is the vast majority of the DAoC population DO use DAoX to alt tab or play windowed, but NOT specifically to spy in irc. things like virus alerts, low wireless mouse batteries and all sortes KICK me out of DAoC at the most akward times and it pisses me off. I would assume many people might use DAoX fto avoid these annoyances. I like to play full screen as I feel more involved in the game so i dont use it, but I can understand people using it, and so do Mythic if you read Sanya's comments on it.

Anyway Albs should not complain about their own guys leaking info, thast a problem on YOUR end.

if YOU release your RvR plans on a Public Comms medium, dont blame someone else, its an Albion problem, look inside your borders to fix it.

on a bright note, the Rvr was actually real fun last week, and I logged off at nite a few times when Hibs or Albs still held Bledmeer, not used to that EVER, its a welcome change.

Also Pyro, I am still about from beta and still active in frontiers, dont forget me matey

Well looking forward to more RvR this week.

Till we meet on the battlefield
good Luck and God speed

regards Solid

 

[malenka]

I was one of the ppl who spent the best part of my evening sitting bored at Bledmeer. I had arrived there entirely by acccident as, going at normal troll speed, was too late for action in Odins. There were about 5 other people there, most of who were crafting.

The word came over ac of action in emain, and the suspicion that as Bled is so much easier for dead hibs to port to than the long haul to the merchant keep in emain, it was an obvious target for them. Azal was begging people to stay there, which we reluctantly agreed to. (I would much rather spend my time XPing atm). So I sat back and half watched the TV for 2 hours, getting jealous about the action in Briefine. (I had already done a long stint at Dun Crauchon earlier)

We thought we had both the mgs in Odins covered with Blood etc stealthing around. When we saw that the keep in Jamtland had been taken, we were stunned. We raced over there to meet up with others, and after taking the keep, we raced back to Bledmeer, because it was just such an obvious target.

I don't know whether ppl are using irc for this. I don't use it personally at all. What I would say is that ac gave no indication that there was prior warning of attack. Panic - yes!

Basically ppl like me are made to feel guilty, so have to spend the time sitting in these damn keeps waiting for an attack.

With this boring sitting around, and spending all our money on wood, having to learn to make rams etc, I am starting to wonder where all the adventure is in this game

 

[SFXman]

Yes, people tend to use IRC during gameplay with the help of daox and in certain channels I myself have witnessed people even ask how many members of some realm are in some certain place... very common. Odd how people seem to know the moves of other realms so fast. It would be so many times easier to take keeps etc. without this chatting

 

[old.cerebus]

Originally posted by Grizlas
Presently, there is no reason for Midgaard to have spies, and as such I've gone to great lengths avoiding and discouraging spying. I've even gone as far as ignoring spy reports of your movements to be fair.

I may have read this wrong but does this mean you do have spies in different realms?