UbiShaft

[MYstIC G]

http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/01/26/h...y-keys-bought-from-unauthorised-distributors/

Seems that Ubisoft are punishing gamers who bought uplay keys from shops that Ubisoft are no longer happy with.

Shit like this is why I skipped on Far Cry 4. Check your libraries people!

 

[Gwadien]

There's another company to my 'torrent only' list.

 

[old.Tohtori]

When it comes to "internet complaints", i tend to think two things;

- Probably some corporate thing that wasn't thought through - and/or - People whining way too much over a nonissue, or legitimate bans.

Kind of a yeah but no but yeah but no situation

This all depends on what the facts are; buying from sites that aren't authorized is ofcourse reason enough to ban(just like any service, they choose howwhatwhen), but then there needs to be a sitelist by ubisoft.

After that, it's buyer beware and all that. In this case; get your refunds from those sites and get legal against them.

 

[Scouse]

There's another company to my 'torrent only' list.

Ubisoft and EA have been on my torrent only list for a long time. (Bar Blood Dragon).

It's not like they're isolated incidents. It's a modus operandi.

 

[Mabs]

U-Cant-Play put them on my "fuck that" list years ago, silent hunter 5 installed WITH UPLAY, went to play it once, it said "not installed", there is no "find folder" it was just "INSTALL NOW", same folder, sat there and DLd 8 gig

went /lol , not touching them again. ever.

typical shit company thrashing around, i hope they go bust and get sold to someone semi decent

 

[Gwadien]

When it comes to "internet complaints", i tend to think two things;

- Probably some corporate thing that wasn't thought through - and/or - People whining way too much over a nonissue, or legitimate bans.

Kind of a yeah but no but yeah but no situation

This all depends on what the facts are; buying from sites that aren't authorized is ofcourse reason enough to ban(just like any service, they choose howwhatwhen), but then there needs to be a sitelist by ubisoft.

After that, it's buyer beware and all that. In this case; get your refunds from those sites and get legal against them.

Do you work in the gaming industry or something?

Nah, seriously, if you allow a way for people to buy your game for cheap for them to resell it then you should expect people to exploit loop holes, if you don't want people to do it then don't sell your game for dirt cheap to certain groups.

If you can find proof that these companies are doing something illegal to obtain your games, then do something to them, don't punish your customers.

 

[Raven]

I haven't bought Ubisoft games for some time now. Its not like I am missing out on much to be fair.

 

[Moriath]

I guess some of the companies are buying it in really cheap markets and selling the keys on making profits where ubisoft isn't happy about

I can understand a business wanting to protect its markets. But as seal said needs to be an authorised site list

 

[CorNokZ]

My cousin worked for them around when the PS2 was launched i think. He's been saying this for many years so it doesn't really come as a surprise to me

 

[BloodOmen]

I won't be touching them again after the shit Watchdogs launched with, The Division and any future products can suck on my hairy sack.

 

[Moriath]

Watchdogs worked fine for me and I played it to completion. I really don't see the big problem with that title

 

[BloodOmen]

Watchdogs worked fine for me and I played it to completion. I really don't see the big problem with that title

It worked fine, that wasn't the problem, the problem was Ubisoft INTENTIONALLY toned the graphics down on the PC version because they thought it would hurt the console sales if the PC looked better, a modder later found within the Watchdog files was all the original graphic settings to make it look a lot better than it actually did at release.

It's shady shit like that why people hate Ubisoft so much.

 

[Moriath]

It worked fine, that wasn't the problem, the problem was Ubisoft INTENTIONALLY toned the graphics down on the PC version because they thought it would hurt the console sales if the PC looked better, a modder later found within the Watchdog files was all the original graphic settings to make it look a lot better than it actually did at release.

It's shady shit like that why people hate Ubisoft so much.

Meh it's their title and the game play wasn't affected. Not sure why people are Soo hung up on gfx these days. Most games look pretty.

If they wanted pc to look the same as consoles surely it's their choice. You vote with your feet as your entitled to do.

 

[BloodOmen]

Meh it's their title and the game play wasn't affected. Not sure why people are Soo hung up on gfx these days. Most games look pretty.

If they wanted pc to look the same as consoles surely it's their choice. You vote with your feet as your entitled to do.

It's not a case of the gfx not being up to par, its the fact that they showed us what the PC version would look like at E3, then at release it was totally different.




I suspect The Division will get hit by the exact same thing.

 

[Moriath]

E3 was a while before release though. I remember loads of games looking different between shows and release.

 

[BloodOmen]

Aye, not on that level though if you're forking out £30-40 for a game you want it to look as advertised, you wouldn't pre-order a porche and be very happy if they showed up at your door with a robin reliant would you

 

[Scouse]

If they wanted pc to look the same as consoles surely it's their choice.

Yep it's their choice. But it's also a choice only a cunt would make.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Do you work in the gaming industry or something?

Yes actually

Nah, seriously, if you allow a way for people to buy your game for cheap for them to resell it then you should expect people to exploit loop holes, if you don't want people to do it then don't sell your game for dirt cheap to certain groups.

If you can find proof that these companies are doing something illegal to obtain your games, then do something to them, don't punish your customers.

In my opinioin it's also the customers responsibility to make sure your product isn't coming from "illegal" sources. Same as with stolen goods, you don't get a refund for those as it's buyer beware etc.

Ofcourse you take those companies out with as much legal mumbo as you can, but you can't be responsible for customers who buy from sites that aren't approved.

That's why you need a list of approved sites so you cover your arse. I think that's what ubi s doing wrong and now doing the only thing they can, iow; taking stuff out.

 

[Moriath]

Yep it's their choice. But it's also a choice only a cunt would make.

In you opinion. I am sure they are still making lots of money so in their opinions they made the right choice.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes actually



In my opinioin it's also the customers responsibility to make sure your product isn't coming from "illegal" sources. Same as with stolen goods, you don't get a refund for those as it's buyer beware etc.

Ofcourse you take those companies out with as much legal mumbo as you can, but you can't be responsible for customers who buy from sites that aren't approved.

That's why you need a list of approved sites so you cover your arse. I think that's what ubi s doing wrong and now doing the only thing they can, iow; taking stuff out.

Nope, the internet is a open and free platform, so there's little way that you can trust one website from another to be honest.

Also, frankly, if a website is using an illegal method (Getting stolen credit cards for example - I've heard of that) then they can approach it from a legal manner and accuse them directly of it.

Whereas if it's a company that wholesales CD Keys (Foreign from the country of re-sale or not) Then it should be down to them to close the loopholes.

Equally, you can go to Dubai and get yourself a cheaper iPad (This may not be true) Apple doesn't then go around taking peoples iPads off them, they accept they made that decision and therefore should live by the consequences of it.

I don't know why gaming companies think they can break the 'unwritten rules' of being a customer; SoE for example ban people if their credit cards fail, rather than contacting people first, for subscription of Planetside 2, that's disgusting to be honest.

Then it can take two weeks for them to respond to you.

Then if you then decide 'fuck you, you're cunts for banning me (It happens alot to Dutch people for some reason) they still don't unban your account, so basically you HAVE to go through with your initial payment plan in order to be unbanned.

 

[Raven]

Yup, its not the customers fault that Ubisoft have decided to not honour perfectly legal purchases.

The CD keys weren't stolen, they were sold legitimately. If the seller has broken a contract by selling in a region they were not supposed to then you don't go after the 3rd party customer, you deal with the retailer.

Yet another utterly idiotic maneuver by Ubisoft, they really don't seem to give a toss who they fuck about now.

Only way to deal with them is to not buy their games and like I said, you would hardly be missing anything, all they seem to peddle these days are last gen bug fests.

 

[Mabs]

Yup, its not the customers fault that Ubisoft have decided to not honour perfectly legal purchases.

The CD keys weren't stolen, they were sold legitimately. If the seller has broken a contract by selling in a region they were not supposed to then you don't go after the 3rd party customer, you deal with the retailer.

Yet another utterly idiotic maneuver by Ubisoft, they really don't seem to give a toss who they fuck about now.

Only way to deal with them is to not buy their games and like I said, you would hardly be missing anything, all they seem to peddle these days are last gen bug fests.

haha FUCK YOU FOR BUYING OUR PRODUCT ! if you'd torrented it, we couldnt stop you playing it !

oh wait :/

 

[Gwadien]

To be honest, it really does show how their businesses are ran by accountants these days, rather than developers and stuff.

If you have a game you can sell for £10 in Russia but £40 in the UK, all they're doing is being inhuman and pissing people off.

 

[Raven]

haha FUCK YOU FOR BUYING OUR PRODUCT ! if you'd torrented it, we couldnt stop you playing it !

oh wait :/

I think they try to force people into torrenting just so they can moan about people torrenting, its not like any of their DRM actually works, all it does is annoy legit buyers. U-Play is a complete waste of everybody's time yet they insist on people having to use it, even on Steam purchases.

 

[Scouse]

In you opinion. I am sure they are still making lots of money so in their opinions they made the right choice.

Yep, in my opinion. Money is immaterial - there's a lot of rich cunts out there.

Financially my non-purchace of their games won't hurt them a bit. If you look around the forums anecdotally maybe there's a percentage people who feel the same as me but they're still making money hand over fist.

But I still think they're cunts. They're harming legitimate buyers, which is a poor show and a good reason to pirate their stuff (if you can be arsed - I can't tbh - their shit is too damn consoley).

 

[Gwadien]

I think the way games go down in price by over 50% in the first 3 months of their release shows that they're greedy fokz tbh.

 

[Billargh]

Ubisoft have been on my shit-list for a while now, the sooner those fuckers go bust the better. I genuinely think I'm warmer toward Activision and EA than I am Ubisoft.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's what businesses do. Publishers are businesses, while developers are the mom&pops at the corner. It's their job to get money and i won't blame them for it, no matter how dick'ish they seem.

I think the way games go down in price by over 50% in the first 3 months of their release shows that they're greedy fokz tbh.

That's actually the gamers fault. 3 first months are prime sale time to get you on the +. Especially with the "first!" mentality internet has. How many times have you been in a situation where you just "must" have a game at day one? There's the money.

That's where a company gets their money back, dem millions to make the game. The greed/profit comes after that. So if a game doesn't go on sale (like the gods damned sims 3 dlc ), after a while, then you know that either A: they've nto amde their money back or B: they're greedy f*cks.

Different note on earlier @Gwadien ;

I meant that if a site isn't selling a game legit, then taking that away is the only option and you can't refund illegal sales. Just like scalping tickets or stolen goods. If you did sell something and told "these sites can sell it" and then decide "nope, retracted" then you're a dick.

 

[Gwadien]

That's what businesses do. Publishers are businesses, while developers are the mom&pops at the corner. It's their job to get money and i won't blame them for it, no matter how dick'ish they seem.



That's actually the gamers fault. 3 first months are prime sale time to get you on the +. Especially with the "first!" mentality internet has. How many times have you been in a situation where you just "must" have a game at day one? There's the money.

That's where a company gets their money back, dem millions to make the game. The greed/profit comes after that. So if a game doesn't go on sale (like the gods damned sims 3 dlc ), after a while, then you know that either A: they've nto amde their money back or B: they're greedy f*cks.

Different note on earlier @Gwadien ;

I meant that if a site isn't selling a game legit, then taking that away is the only option and you can't refund illegal sales. Just like scalping tickets or stolen goods. If you did sell something and told "these sites can sell it" and then decide "nope, retracted" then you're a dick.

No, its not like retracting stolen goods its like you buying something cheap abroad then bringing it back and getting it taken off you when you come back.

The closest relation to a gaming publisher is a book publisher; books sell on their popularity they rarely go up in price because of that factor and I think this is the reason why people are becoming disillusioned with the gaming industry, and I think its worth people like yourselves actually listen to people like myself, Raven and Scouse, because end of the day, we're your customer and what we have to say is quite important.

It's not the correct way of thinking just to say oh, I make the games. I'm not a publisher, no, you're a part of that process, you either work for that company or you sign your company to that publisher.

Authors have more standards and ethics than game developers clearly, cos it seems that they're now only in it for the maximum early sales, whereas I'm pretty sure of they chose publishers who said, alright, we won't sell it for £40 pm release, but a lot cheaper, but hell, a lot of people will play it and it be a damn sight more popular and your business will benefit from that popularity and you'll still make much money.

Imagine if J K Rowlings publishers charged £40 for the first Harry Potter book.

The state of large scale games has gone down hill drastically anyway to be honest, Arma was probably the last large developer game I bought, and that being said Bohemia is probably an exception to the greedy fuckers rule.

I think the gaming bubble will burst and peoples principles and decision not to get the piss taken out of them will triumph.

But if you keep waving it off and treating customers like dicks then I'm afraid you'll go down with the ship.

 

[MYstIC G]

No, its not like retracting stolen goods its like you buying something cheap abroad then bringing it back and getting it taken off you when you come back by the manufacturer

I think that's missing but otherwise I agree.