Trolls....

[Biggilus]

Are they a viable race for non-shield melee classes? I remember a time when noone would look at a troll, not coz they smell, but coz the extra 30 str wasnt needed over dex/qui. Just thinking along the lines of zerker and 2h thane (28parry, no shield thane), maybe a troll woudl fit in better over a norse?

 

[Svartmetall]

Are they a viable race for non-shield melee classes? I remember a time when noone would look at a troll, not coz they smell, but coz the extra 30 str wasnt needed over dex/qui. Just thinking along the lines of zerker and 2h thane (28parry, no shield thane), maybe a troll woudl fit in better over a norse?

I'm a lifetime Trollaholic and I say yes.



Though that would be more for the Zerk than the Thane, Norse works well for 2H Thane as well. If going 2H Thane, whichever race you roll, go +10 Str/Dex/Pie. For Zerk, go +10 Str/Con/Qui.

 

[Phantomby]

base stats are also very preferential to savages h-h spec as well (being about 15 more points averaged over Str/Dex than any other race iirc).




Glast
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Phantomby NS

 

[Svartmetall]

base stats are also very preferential to savages h-h spec as well (being about 15 more points averaged over Str/Dex than any other race iirc).

The only drawback with a Trolll Savage, H2H or 2H, is that pretty much all your defence is Evade, and with such low Qui a Troll won't Evade half as much as (say) a Kobbie Savage, even though it's your secondary rising stat. They definitely hit harder, though. Troll is pretty much the only serious choice for a 2H Savage - you're using a Str-based weapon with Str as only your tertiary rising stat, so you need as much as you can possibly get.

 

[Cozak]

10 Str 15 qui for troll zerk, I did that and used 90qui temp with qui3 took me to 249 or 255 qui iirc

 

[eggy]

10 Str 15 qui for troll zerk, I did that and used 90qui temp with qui3 took me to 249 or 255 qui iirc

Troll has 58qui base at level 50, 93 from buffs.

250 - 58 - 93 = 99 required in template with none on creation.

So with 15 qui start, you'd only need +84 in template.

In that case, maybe 15 str 10 qui is a better option, or 10str 10con 10qui...or if you're confident you can get 99 quickness in a template, sod it on creation altogether and get 15str 10con! Or 18 str!

 

[Svartmetall]

With +10 Qui at creation, you need +99 Qui in gear and Aug Qui 2 to hit cap.

 

[eggy]

With +10 Qui at creation, you need +99 Qui in gear and Aug Qui 2 to hit cap.

Urm... with 10 qui on creation...

35 (base) + 23 (secondary stat) + 93 (buffs) + 10 (creation) + 99 (items) + 6 (qui2) = 266 (16 overcap)

Unless char builder is wrong and it's not a secondary stat or something.

 

[Svartmetall]

Urm... with 10 qui on creation...

35 (base) + 23 (secondary stat) + 93 (buffs) + 10 (creation) + 99 (items) + 6 (qui2) = 266 (16 overcap)

Unless char builder is wrong and it's not a secondary stat or something.

Sorry I was talking for Zerk (or any other class with no rising Qui), not Savage...

 

[eggy]

Sorry I was talking for Zerk (or any other class with no rising Qui), not Savage...

Ah ok mate that works out then.

 

[Cozak]

Much better things to spend points on than aug qui as well so if you can get a sweet temp with 99qui in thats cool, I went charge3 det4 pain2 (aiming for 3) before I was going to get qui was at 227/228 qui without any aug So I would still advise 15qui 10str.. my zerk had 411 str without any aug str either which was enough for me till higher RR.

 

[Eithor]

Never ever go 28parry, when you can go 27parry, 10(7)shield and get engage (and guard1), engage is a lifesaver in both pve and pvp(especially vs archers).

Talking about a 50stormcalling, 50weapon - Thane.

 

[Biggilus]

ah very useful that engage thing, will remembr that if i ever grind my thane up
just wondering with a bit of hardcore playing,. form 24-50, 1 month? mostly solo btw (as i play retarded hours)