To the ones that has ae spells

[old.Saborion]

Today I saw a thane use ae hammers on a group that was mezzed right outside our mg. We had them like in a little box until those hammers fell from the sky. We still won by far, but some people died. Now I have used ae in fight as well, but not lately.

The thing is, this wasn`t a lowlvl thane, was 44+, which means one of two things.

1: He didn`t know that they were mezzed, which I find somewhat strange. Either way, not worth the risk of using ae in a situation like that.

2: He accidently hit the ae button, in which case I really hope he learned his lesson and removed it from the quickbar. It shouldn`t be there.

I got a bit carried away at the moment, but this post is NOT to flame anyone. Just want to let the lesser lvled players that has access to ae spells know that ae spells is nice, in very rare situations!

Unless you`re absolutely sure what you`re doing, please DON`T use ae. This post is mainly for RMs & Thanes. An ae spell at the wrong moment can turn the tide of the battle to the enemies favor.

 

[Thorarin]

The problem is: Thanes have to use Mjolnir in RvR. The regular lightning has a 20 second recast timer, Mjolnir doesn't.

Any time a group is not mezzed I'll Mjolnir away, and lone targets can be mjolnir'ed 'safely'. I know it's annoying when a mez gets broken, but really, telling someone to not use Mjolnir at all is like telling a healer not to mez, or telling the Thane in question to reroll as a Warrior

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Oi don't you dare stop using Thane AEs, Thanes win battles for us Albs

 

[Derianna]

Thor-

Using mjol u will kill only greys and maybe some greens...
Using ae mezz even u can kill purples...
U see difference?
This is not like u are saying, mjol is god, but ONLY when target is not mezzed.

Rgards
Derianna

 

[old.Rusfighter]

Thanes! Remove Ur fuckin AE from Ur quickbars plzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Thorarin]

Of course Derianna, I will never knowingly break an AE mez with a mjolnir, but accidents happen. Comments from people not to use AE at all I happily ignore, since I have no choice.

Once Mythic removes the recast timer on the regular Lightning spell line, I'll happily use that (I somehow doubt they will though..)

 

[Killgorde]

Just an observation, based on months of watching peeps with and without AE swearing and cursing at each other...and Middies invariably getting their arses kicked when we are outnumbered 2 to 1 at AMG. The following may seem inflammatory, but it is not intended to be...purely objective.

Now there are those of you that like playing mezz ping pong. I would guess for a lot of you not having AE is a bugger in a big fight because hammer and spear throwers do the ganking and therefore rack up the rp (as do you if you are grouped with them).

However...let me give you 2 scenarios:

1) We hold AMG and twice our number of Albs are the other side about to charge. Someone (as always) is running around shouting No AE No AE No AE like the proverbial headless chicken. The Albs charge, their first wave is mezzed, we go to gank these (not using AE ) their casters mezz us and their second wave wipes us out. Rinse and repeat. Sound familiar? It should do..it happens all the time.

2) On the basis that Thanes (and probably Runies) at level 50 inflict between 100-250 damage each on every incoming enemy... and more importantly I havent yet found a limit to the amount of enemies (subject to their concentration) one cast will hit (maximum I have logged is 35 with each cast which equated to dealing out around 5k hp damage a cast every 4-5 seconds - which it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out is a far more effective than prodding Albs with a toothpick), a simple co-ordinated multi cast by 5 thanes/runies will wipe out any assault within 20 seconds IF they keep a respectful range from the action to avoid mezz and keep spread out.

You take your pick between 1) and 2). Depends whether you like a) mezz ping-pong and a 50% chance of winning a battle (less than that if we are outnumbered 2 to 1 or b) winning that battle.

I know the above is a bit of a bugger for non-AEers to read, but it is reality...maybe you should group with Thanes and Runies and learn to appreciate their true potential. It might make battles a bit more boring, but not as boring as those bloody horsetrips from Huginfel.

Think about it

BTW Anyone interested in joining the Royal Midgard Artillery division for sychronized AE attacking PM me

 

[Killgorde]

And FFS Thanes...stop feeling guilty and apologetic about being the best damage dealers on the server. If a few more people had the intelligence to use such strange sciences as "tactics," "strategy" and "co-ordination" (words that have never been in the Midgard dictionary) you might find yourselves appreciated as a prized asset...just as Skalds are (Rusfighter) as taxi-services who are great for soloing but next to useless in a large-scale battle - the word "impotent" springs to mind (no offence my trusted Skald m8's )

 

[old.Rusfighter]

NP m8

 

[Derianna]

Kill:

There is 3rd option:

If we have good healers arround- 3 or 4, we can stand arround entrance end mezz all waves not only first one. Imho when albs outnumber us the best way is to wait untill they will attack- mezz the first wave- then thanes move asap to the other side and mjol all casters and those who have left. Runnies can cast spears from walls :>. Warriors and zerks should kill one by one mezzed fighters.

Bad way of winning?

Derianna.

PS. One more time, imho to win battles we need something more than easy ways- we have to think about how to use all midgardians abillities and on this base build strategies....

 

[Withnail <>]

Hi

Not having played a mezzer, I'll ask here. We can't you mezz after the wave of AOE attacks rather than before it? Failing that, I always find a bit of discussion in the group BEFORE an attack helps no end. Much better than a bunch of dead bodies chuntering a each other.

Regards

Withnail

 

[Thorarin]

Derianna:

About the running to the other side thing, I doubt many Thanes would reach the other side without being group mezzed themselves by a lone mezzer halfway

I agree that we should work out strategies for these kinds of situations. Before people start again, telling Thanes to not use AE does not fall into the strategy category

 

[old.Saborion]

Two things. Thorarin, almost sound as though you should`ve played a caster instead...

And to Killgorde. The few times I`ve been at amg in the situations you mentioned above it`s either been

We ae nuke a bit from the room above, go down or die. Eventually the albs come running and we nuke them dead.

or

we rush out, ae mezzes as much as we can and try to kill everything.

I must say though, that I`ve never seen the last option if there`s been LOTS of people from both realms, only semi-lot.

But concerning the first option, hey, that rocks. Healers mez and gives us time to get our aes away. Would work even better if they did ae stun. Would be pure ownage then (usually is anyway).

But the thing I was talking about was when there are about 1-15 people from each realm fighting. Then ae is a BAD option if there are healers around. If no healers, ae rocks due to it interupting at least a few casters etc. And you`re right, it does decent damage. But if there`s healers around, not more than 30 people from each realm, I still must say that my experience is that ae ruins the day for us mids. If you don`t believe me, look at what Pathfinder posted above.

Sure, it IS easy to get a decent amount of rps that way. But for that I most likely would have to sacrifice a few realmies, maybe even get killed myself due to breaking mez and ending up dead. Thanes survive easier due to me only having a T-shirt and jeans.

 

[old.cerebus]

So are Skalds not that good at battles?

I'm talking Keep takes and battles between more than 5 people.

I've just started one and am at level 9. Sorry to go OOT but the comment about us being 'useless in a large-scale battle' seems to be worrying me now.

 

[Thorarin]

Well, as for you, you're already sounding a lot different than when you started this thread

Why you think I should have played a caster is beyond my reasoning. Fact is that if a thane can't use his spells, he would have been better of being a warrior

I enjoy all the character types I've played so far about as much, though I often choose a character that has a little bit of both at first.

I don't mind getting face to face with someone, I just prefer them to be at less than 2/3 HP by the time they get to me

 

[old.Buffer]

Bah Killgorde last time i lift you
Seriuosly tho he does have a point about skalds in large rvr battles, you only have 1 spell with a decent range and that just snares. The rest of the time is spent either mezzed trying to get close enough to melee or getting there when the enemy has died.
All is not lost tho i find my skald excels in solo or small groups rvr hunting down groups of invaders in ygg or upplands

Buffer<Nazgul>

 

[old.yaruar]

Things will change when mezz is nerfed more anyway...
Mezz is currently the most important thing in battle and disproportionately so...

It has to be said though a group of 10-20 thanes standing either side of a gate spread out in in an arc hitting them as they come through on a call of HAMMERS DOWN!

would kill most armies before they even got a hit in ;-)
should hit everyone in the army of equal level for 1500+ damage each ;-)

THEN you can mezz them ;-P

 

[tilde]

Do a small rush with 2healers, 2RM's and a couple of thanes. AoE-mez, and then AoE-stun(just to have time to time it better). Then set hell loose, AoE-spam

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by cerebus
So are Skalds not that good at battles?

I'm talking Keep takes and battles between more than 5 people.

I've just started one and am at level 9. Sorry to go OOT but the comment about us being 'useless in a large-scale battle' seems to be worrying me now.

Err..just a dig at a skald for having a pop at my class m8 Maybe I'm a bit tired of 6 months of peeps flaming the most offensively powerfull class Midgard has by a country mile without the persecuted standing up for themselves (probably cos we are the nicest bunch of peeps around )

But in reality, in a large scale melee how does a skald stack up against the other tank classes? As tanks Thanes come second to Warriors with Skalds a distant third in terms of weapon damage and defensive capability. Each class has its advantages, and none is "better" than any other, just a pity people dont have the intelligence to see the potential of others and utilise them to maximise this.

 

[old.Saborion]

Skald ownz. Plain and simple. =)
Hate going to battle without one.

 

[old.Molotok]

Just a little question from a Thane who is strongly prohibited to use Mjollner in RvR and have to go Mjollner-kill poor ww in Askhem to have fun...
WHAT ABOUT HEALERS AE-STUN? Do u have it or i am mistaken? Can it be used together with Mjollner?
I have been a couple of times in MFG-defend situations... Mjollner really rocks there, espesially when u need to whipe out defenders from wall...
I would also say that Skalds rocks even in mass-RvR... when enemies are mezzed and have to be quickly killed 1-by-1... I am really eager to train my little skald and quickly run to quickly kill some enemies...

 

[Negura]

Derianna:

"Kill:

There is 3rd option:

If we have good healers arround- 3 or 4, we can stand arround entrance end mezz all waves not only first one."

Hmm you mean like:
AE mez first wave, AE mez second wave = AE remez first wave (some mezes break, half time on others). This will be done 3-4 times at once by 3-4 healers. 60 seconds/4 = 15 seconds mez + a lot of mez breakers.
Now start to run around and pick full hp and mez resistant targets.

Different scenario: AE stun first wave, AoE damage 10 seconds.
AE stun again after 10 seconds, first wave gets 5seconds, 2nd wave 10 seconds. Only one healer need to be supplied. Count on the lag they get also because of AoE.

Mathematics:

15 seconds stun for first wave means 4 mjollnir = 400-1200 damage on each and every lvl50 target for each thane.
Now think there are 5 thanes. 2000-6000k damage on each target. Nothing survives this. Runies can do better and faster I think.
Draw the line and think of this: 5 Thanes + 1 healer have to play this. All the others are free to kill everything that moves and/or target thanes/runies/healer.

Argue this.

P.S.: I use AE in battle very rare. I have agreed to let the healers play the game they like. But I plan to start working on the new scenario with other Thanes/Runies.

Btw this scenario work only for lvl45-50 Thanes.
LvL 30-40 thanes are just mez breakers.

 

[Derianna]

Negura:

Yep, this is good and can be done.
We have to test it :>
As i have said before there are many options and every one is different from situation. Sometimes we have only fev secs to decide what to do.
Anyway i think- once again- using all classes in fight is a half of succes. We have different skills and have to use all of it to win :>
The other half is good teamwork.

Deri.

PS. I know that ae stun is nice :>

 

[Release]

At the end of day, if people like to use AE then let them, if thats what makes the game fun for them then. You cant tell them not to do it just cos you like messing all the freaking targets and picking them off 1v1 which is no fun what so ever and is boring.
I personally dont use AE as im darkness specced the AE isnt really worth using accept for the odd times, i just nuke single targets.
But put a link in below for you Thanes that want to up your spell dmg, will also post it in a new thread aswell so everyone sees it.

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=31148350&replies=26

 

[- Pathfinder -]

With thaose attitudes I'm not suprised we see so few Healers in emain But you're welcome to keep using your cute AEs ^^

 

[old.Saborion]

People...
I didn`t try to say that we shouldn`t use ae spells. What I was trying to say was that they should only be used in certain situations. In those situations they are incredible.

It`s not because we like to pick people off 1 by 1, it`s because if someone breaks the mez on the wrong set of people, one of those can ae mez / ae stun / stun etc us and thus we might lose the fight.

 

[Novamir]

mjollnir should be used all the time!

 

[old.Gunnar]

if thane dont know, when he must use AE, and when he must NOT use it, then he is stupid, i know only 6 thanes, who use AE only in necessary moments...

i ready to delete my lvl50, if others will NEVER break mezz with their AE... i heard tooooooooo much phrases like "f**king mezz breakers"

 

[old.Rusfighter]

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[old.Cronos]

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