To: CS heros

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Anu

Guest
lol.. must admit it does look spinkii and like it will hurt some.. just watch u don't put some1's eye out with that.

<am i following u Nova :m00: >

[Edit: is that Hero lvl 50 epic armor aswell??]
 
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Matinex

Guest
I heard the spear is a crappy with qua 90%, and by the time we get this, everyone got qua 94% spears dropped from legion in DF. Only reason anyone would like this spear is because of the nice glow.
 
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Novamir

Guest
I'm not interested about the Quality. Only if it is 5.7spd or more, and i NEED GLOWING SPEAR!
 
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Matinex

Guest
so if its glowing, spd 5.7 with whatever dps, you would use it? even though you had a dps 16.2 spd 5.0 qua 94% with stats like +10 in cs and bladeturn proc (or was it dmg shield?)... mmmmmk
 
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Matinex

Guest
+5 Cs
+6 Str
+6% Crush
95 dd proc

....worthless
 
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Novamir

Guest
well Lord Matinex (Leader God and Ruler Of All DAOC), if we are talking about ENDGAME when we have DF blahblahetcetc, ill use the slowest, highest crafted spear I can get.

but yes, if this spear has speed slower than Spectral Impaler i will use it (because mostly I use that now)
 
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Novamir

Guest
and btw Crush resistance is the hardest thing to get out of any. AND FFS IT GLOWS
 
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Keri

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old.Pepsay

Guest
I'd rather use a glowing spear that drops (and ya can buy i've heard) in DF... that spear looks like shit :p it looks like a middie spear or something...
 
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Novamir

Guest
you are a 3x hero you don't deserve an opinion!
 
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Matinex

Guest
Sorry for you nova if you thikn that way, but using a that spear instead of a qua 94% and better stats/higher dmg overall just because you do more dmg in first hit and because it glows is just stupid.
 
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Novamir

Guest
Mati, I can't see what difference 4% qual will make for you. You can't hit anyone when you're lying face down m8...
 
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Matinex

Guest
its not only 4% qua its +5 more in cs too, anyways 4% is still more dmg and you dont always kill ppl in 1 hit or do you? I thikn the chance is bigger that you die when you use the 90% qua one, unless u kill your enemy in 1 hit.
 
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lofff

Guest
u are 2 st00pid bag of hps, nm what weapon u use... ull just distract em while i DEAL THE DMG :D
 
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old.Tzeentch

Guest
Nova is correct, generally, slower weapons hit for harder, and so, slower weapons > all

Slower weapons > casters

In fast paced RvR, you wanna get off as much damage as possible in one hit, the second you press f6.

Target enemy tank, stick, f6, bam! he loses 20% health, BAM! caster finishes him.

or bam! he loses 5% health from matinex, and bam! caster drops him to 10%, and he smacks you back, or uses some insta dd he might have.

<simplistic overview>
 
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lofff

Guest
Target enemy tank, stick, f6, bam! he loses 20% health, BAM! caster finishes him.
Click to expand...

tzee *cough* what have u been smoking? *cough*

we are talking bout heavy 2h so its more like: target, stick, style, bam! yellow con target loses 40-80% health (depends on *the enemy* class and luck (crits procs ...) not that luck if u are a uberchamp with 62lw and 62valor (DD) *cough* ;) ) and then caster finishes >.< caster will hit for similar dmg MUCH faster. Well, void elds are a bit bitching... bolts is tha only thing OUTDMGING EVERYTHING on tha fooking game. wont be the first time am chasing sth and some1 bolt-1shoots it .05 secs before i can hit it or dd it again (fooking 15 secs timer :p )

edit: added *the enemy* before class to help u slow minded :p

ps: hits for 400 to almost 700 (my cap) plus ~200dd (on yellows depending on body resistance) usually move hp bars "a bit" without tha needing of crits or procs :p
 
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Matinex

Guest
Tzeentch you might want to try a CS hero before you talk about it on these forums. First of all, the first hit will be taken by bt, so you will have to wait 6 secs til next hit, by then you are pretty much toast, if the caster knows what he is doing. Btw i have not 1 hitted many casters, not even with my 6sec spd spear, its not easily done, even if their bt is down.

I know that slower weapons hit harder, but that does not mean its better to use it in rvr, not over a spear that have better quality/better stats. Im not sure what your point is tzeentch but if you are a spear user, and go directly up to a caster and hoping to 1 shot kill him you are just stupid! You might be lucky, but imo its not worth to take the risc.

Try it out in rvr first, i know i have done it.

Tzeentch my point is, a spear with 94qua and much much more better stats is a good reason why you should choose it over a spear with ok stats and slow speed.
 
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Salazar

Guest
Omg... can´t you argue with Karam or sumthing... and my staff 0wnzors j00 all. And yes... just take your shields out ppl and try to stand so long that mages get to do the killing :clap:
 
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cjkace

Guest
The only good thing about any weapon dropped after 1.49 is the stats...period.

So for the spear matinex is talking about
( http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=3749 )
only the +10CS is actually worth anything (I don't count the proc simply because they are unpredictable).

But the problem with added stats like that is the higher you go Realm Rank wise, the less you need to actually equip to hit your cap. At the moment if I equip all of my nice items I hit my cap in blades and parry, but I need to equip both of my sickles to do that. However I will soon be able to do that without touching dropped weapons.

Accursed Bracer of Skill (24x) - +2 blades, +2 CD, +7 dex (lvl 43) x 2

Mantle of Unseelie Skill - +2 parry, +2CD, +6quick, +6dex (lvl 43)

Diabolical Helm (18x) - RF AF 98, BM & Ranger only - +10 con, +4 piercing/blades, +8% body

Diabolical Gloves (18x) - RF AF 98, Blademaster only - +12 quick, +9 dex, +4 parry, +8% spirit

With just 4 items I have

+8 blades
+6 CD
+6 parry

Now take into account Realm Ranks (I'm Rank 2 so get +1)

+9 blades
+7 CD
+7 Parry

I don't know what the cap is exactly at lvl50, but I will have 44blades, and 44 CD (and probably be realm rank 3 which will give me +2) but I would bet money that with those four items I'm damn close to it.

This gets even more interesting if I throw my epic armor into the mix.

Sidhe Studded Hauberk - 100/100/35 Con/Dex +12 Hits +33 Slash +8%
Sidhe Studded Sleeves - 100/100/35 Str +16 Con +18 Heat/Cold +8
Sidhe Studded Legs - 100/100/35 Str/Quick +12 Hits +27 Cold +12%
Sidhe Studded Helm - 100/100/35 Quick +16 Hits +30 Heat +10% Spirit +10%
Sidhe Studded Gloves - 100/100/35 Str +13 Dex +15 CD/Parry +3
Sidhe Studded Boots - 100/100/35 Dex +12 Quick +15 Hits +24 Cold +10%
Bladeturn Belt. - 100con 100Dur 100qual 20%bonus. Blademaster only. Slash 8%, Parry +3, Strength +12
Blademasters Jewel - 100/100/100/25 Lvl 47 Con/Quick +9 Slash/Crush 8%

Just wearing the epic armour gives me

+6 parry
+3 CD

Add the bracers and cloak

+8 parry
+7 CD
+4 blades

Now add Realm Ranks (as tho rank3)

+10 parry
+9 CD
+6 blades

Also because of the hefty slash resistances (24%) I can afford to equip some v low lvl rings that give +1 to melee

Carved Sphene Ring - lvl25 - +1 Blades/Blunt/Pierce/CS

to give me

+10 parry
+9 CD
+8 blades

For the damage shield defense proc -

Kobil's Fiery Seal - lvl40 ( http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=4043 )

So what it boils down to is whether those extra few points are worth lowering your damage for?
 
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Matinex

Guest
Sure the stats are not so important, but if you are a hybrid hero (me/novamir) you really want to have 50 in 1h/shield/2h choice. Because of that we use a crappy helmet that give +4 to CS, wich i doubt i will use when we get epic armor however.

Cj: thanks for finding that pic i been looking for it a long time, now if you look at it, wich one would you rather use, that one or the "Uber glowing spear with 90 quality and slower speed" ?

If you ask me, my opinions about how things work for a hero in rvr, i would go with the one you posted.

I really think its nice that Mythic adds new items/monsters/etc for hibernia, cause we really need it. But adding something like that NOW, after patch 1.49, after darkness falls, after all the "good" spear drops (that are much better) you can get, is pretty worthless, imo. Sure i think they should at least add some glow/effects to the older spears, but adding another one that is nothing special is crap. However we dont even know what the dps/spd is on it.

Btw that spear dropped in DF has a white shaft with black glowing tip.
 
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old.Tzeentch

Guest
Mati, as a caster, I can tell you right now, I fear any LW user, or two handed weapon.

Why?

Well, say you have a weapon that is 10spd.

Say your first hit is absorbed by my BT.

You're thinking, you lost right?
I can just mezz and run?

Well, no.

Aside from quickcast, there is nothing I can do.

In my case, having a mezz, thats good, but certainly I don't think a RM has mezz, or a wizard <I'm not sure, I haven't checked>

So, they might stun you instead, or root you, whatever they have to keep you away.

But if they have used their quickcast, and they get a resist, or they simply dont have quickcast left, thent hey are dead.

Reason : You cannot cast a spell during the entirety of the combat round, which is dictated by the melee class' weapon speed.

With a 3spd weapon, if I am buffed, I can get a spell in.

Against a 10spd weapon, I will never get a spell in, and my quickcast mezz will also be hurt since I cannot cast for another 8 seconds.

Btw, I do have a CS hero, level 27 or something, but I do also keep up to date on changes to the hero class, especially the CS line, and have read a lot of people's feedbacks to know a little.

And PBT doesn't hold all the time, especially against meleers I find.

ps. I wasn't specifcally talking about attacking casters, I meant tank vs tank.

<but obviously if stats and quality are vastly different, then it is better to go with the higher qual/stats weapon, providing DPS is inthe same range>
 
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Matinex

Guest
Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Mati, as a caster, I can tell you right now, I fear any LW user, or two handed weapon.

Why?

Well, say you have a weapon that is 10spd.

Say your first hit is absorbed by my BT.

You're thinking, you lost right?
I can just mezz and run?

Well, no.
Click to expand...

Well YES, you mez, run away, nuke. if he resists, run. You might want to try that tactic sometime, thats what most mids/albs do.

Tzeentch who said that they HAVE to stay and fight? you cast QC root/stun/mez/whatever, run away, start nuking the hero, if he gets close enough, turn around and run, is that hard? no.

Thats what all the mages do, not always, but often, thats 1 of the biggest reason why melee sucks in rvr, if anyone deciedes to run away from you in a battle, they can do it with no problems.

And btw, if you play smart, you dont have to fear any 2H user, how do i know? i played 2 different lvl 50 elds.
 
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old.Tzeentch

Guest
Mati, are there any mages who do not have mezz or a root lasting over 10 seconds?

These are the mages I am talking about.

A 8sec stun lets you get away, that's all.

Oh, and I love how you take cheap digs at me, keep it up.
 
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Matinex

Guest
a stun would make you get away, and thats the whole point, unless you going to melee the guy. Im just saying that the mage have a smaller chance to win against a tank with higher speed weapon, unless (as i said) the tank one hits the caster when bt is down. Enough already :)
 
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