To all SBs

[Jox]

With 1.82 inc... crush-dmg, remedy, higher and more effective perfs(especially with 2-handers), What is your thoughts?

What spec, ra-spec and weapon-setup are you planning to use and why?

How about becoming a one-trick-pony/critblade once again^^

CS 50+20
Sword 39+20(the stunstyle)
Env 27+20(the last debuff)
Stealth 39+11(shadowstrike/assassinate)

Aug Str 5(str 404)
MoP 5(crit-chance 49%)
MoS 3
Purge 2
Vanish 1

Weapon-setup; The champion Weapon(2-handed ofc)

I wonder if I might be able to break 1500 in one swing?^^

What do you think? is this setup a joke? or could it actually work? But above all; what setup are YOU planning to use?

 

[Haldar]

imo let yanks test stuff for us.

and then..we'll see.

 

[Fenderon]

will be interesting to see how it plays out

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Not that much will change...
being all 2h isnt that good for chaining and adders
so 39 sword isnt that needed...39 la will be better
high CS..meaning 39 base up to even 50 for PA lovers and high rr peeps
Maybe with remedy to infils too...drop env to 37 composite, and use extra points for Stealth or Sword...
Also i think legendaries will have less to offer now...having a better template with GS/Battler and Malice will be cool..even against Hibs ( and ofc..always 1h champ weap...8%style,8% melee and 26 str cap when PAing !!)
As for the RAs...pretty much the same...no need for that much Aug Str or mop...casters will drop like flies either way

 

[Neo]

What if u miss the initial PA Jox, how good is 2H then ?
Nice fight the other day btw.

 

[Funkdocta]

the crush dmg is only 30 secs every 5 mins, sb still vulnerable to slash which NS and Inf get permenantly.

 

[Neo]

the crush dmg is only 30 secs every 5 mins, sb still vulnerable to slash which NS and Inf get permenantly.

Not all infils/NSs spec slash tho, all SBs will get ze crush dmg thingie.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

every 5 mins ..means 90% of the times u fight a stealther...and 99% of the times u especially fight a Hib one ...
its gonna be quite ...

 

[Vladamir]

Waste of stealth, assassinate is utter wank

 

[Septima]

Gonna stick with my spec, 42CS 39LA 35stealth, weapon at 51 (spec+skills) and the rest in envenon. Since i'm a Axe spec, i will be using the combo malice/CTD or Band of shadow/CTD. May get the weapon champ for 2hands and try to one shot casters, but not really counting a lot on that.

And i agree with nuxto (god help me!) on the aug strenght RA, i think it's a waste for a norse to get it over lvl 3. Mos3 or mos2, purge 2, Mop i think i will try to get it the highest possible and still not sure about vanish, sure it's a nice ability sometimes, but it's so situational, that i am still pondering if i keep it or not on my ra's spec. May get SW1 and some though with spare rps.

Viper with remedy always on, on 1.82, will became a useless ability. Maybe will respec at that time for a Soulblade

 

[Herjulf]

Keep your Composite specs imo.

Raise mainhand spec slightly, as that will matter with 2-h PA getting in or not.
But i think its essential for overall performace to be composite:ish.

Tests have shown that 2-h PA dmg isnt really that more mindboggling atm.
The tests i have seen vs a shaman BB shows a slight increase rather then Significant. well 50 more dmg:ish is slight imo. infact, 1-h damage and 2-h seem to have increased pretty much as equally as much.

But thats what i have seen, the biggest news is the brittle nerfs and brittle pierce. Finally giving assasains their "intended" targets back.
Also assasain vs assasain fights might start to last longer/be more fun with remedy.

 

[Cylian]

2h PAs will remain a "have-a-laugh" option, unless you work some celerity gear into your template.

 

[atos]

Doubt that will be needed when you will hit for 1500 without crits. You should be able to two shot most stealther counterparts with a crit.

 

[Thornea]

Gonna try 50CS/50 sword (2h cb) again to check out new dmg (will have 39 sword evade stun chain now) not 100% sure on sword level (39 min) and how it effects 2h base dmg (used to be higher sword u have the more base dmg u do) but im sure I read somewhere on vn boards that difference between wyrdd spec sword and full 50 sword is only extra 50-100 dmg on pa cap?
Will most prolly end up 44cs/39LA (rest modified 50) viper3 etc after testing 2h cb.

 

[xxManiacxx]

Doubt that will be needed when you will hit for 1500 without crits. You should be able to two shot most stealther counterparts with a crit.

a rr10 with 50+20 sword an cs have cap in the 1500 range so i doubt ppl will 2shot most normal stealthers

 

[Azathrim]

And notice that is cap damage. Your average damage on a normal target will still be considerable lower. Not to mention, we still haven't heard if the huge variance remainds.

Who cares about a 1500 cap when you PA a minstrel for 300-400 and he anytimes you back for 300 + 2dds + stun.

 

[Jox]

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Not that much will change...
being all 2h isnt that good for chaining and adders
so 39 sword isnt that needed...39 la will be better
high CS..meaning 39 base up to even 50 for PA lovers and high rr peeps
Maybe with remedy to infils too...drop env to 37 composite, and use extra points for Stealth or Sword...
Also i think legendaries will have less to offer now...having a better template with GS/Battler and Malice will be cool..even against Hibs ( and ofc..always 1h champ weap...8%style,8% melee and 26 str cap when PAing !!)
As for the RAs...pretty much the same...no need for that much Aug Str or mop...casters will drop like flies either way

I agree Nuxto, the overall-performance will be better with a 5-spec, but thats not what I seek with this spec.

What if u miss the initial PA Jox, how good is 2H then ?
Nice fight the other day btw.

I prolly have to land both PA and CD to be able to beat you as a critblade.

Waste of stealth, assassinate is utter wank

Thx Vlad, so stealth 35 or 30 will do.

Gonna stick with my spec, 42CS 39LA 35stealth, weapon at 51 (spec+skills) and the rest in envenon. Since i'm a Axe spec, i will be using the combo malice/CTD or Band of shadow/CTD. May get the weapon champ for 2hands and try to one shot casters, but not really counting a lot on that.

And i agree with nuxto (god help me!) on the aug strenght RA, i think it's a waste for a norse to get it over lvl 3. Mos3 or mos2, purge 2, Mop i think i will try to get it the highest possible and still not sure about vanish, sure it's a nice ability sometimes, but it's so situational, that i am still pondering if i keep it or not on my ra's spec. May get SW1 and some though with spare rps.

Viper with remedy always on, on 1.82, will became a useless ability. Maybe will respec at that time for a Soulblade

Why would strength above 370 be a waste? I thought there was a soft cap at 400?

I doubt viper will become useless, afterall, it will just be 2 classes out of 30 that have remedy, instead of one. And above all, they have to be in rr 5+ AND press remedy in time.

Keep your Composite specs imo.

Raise mainhand spec slightly, as that will matter with 2-h PA getting in or not.
But i think its essential for overall performace to be composite:ish.

Tests have shown that 2-h PA dmg isnt really that more mindboggling atm.
The tests i have seen vs a shaman BB shows a slight increase rather then Significant. well 50 more dmg:ish is slight imo. infact, 1-h damage and 2-h seem to have increased pretty much as equally as much.

But thats what i have seen, the biggest news is the brittle nerfs and brittle pierce. Finally giving assasains their "intended" targets back.
Also assasain vs assasain fights might start to last longer/be more fun with remedy.

So main-hand-spec will matter if I land PA? Could you explain how it work? The tests you have seen, was it on Pendragon post the introduction of 1.82 and the increased damage for twohanders?

Gonna try 50CS/50 sword (2h cb) again to check out new dmg (will have 39 sword evade stun chain now) not 100% sure on sword level (39 min) and how it effects 2h base dmg (used to be higher sword u have the more base dmg u do) but im sure I read somewhere on vn boards that difference between wyrdd spec sword and full 50 sword is only extra 50-100 dmg on pa cap?
Will most prolly end up 44cs/39LA (rest modified 50) viper3 etc after testing 2h cb.

Yes Thornea, that is what I read too; the difference between 70/51(some says that 50 is enough) and 70/70 is very small. But I really dont know, people on VN have been wrong before^^

And notice that is cap damage. Your average damage on a normal target will still be considerable lower. Not to mention, we still haven't heard if the huge variance remainds.

Who cares about a 1500 cap when you PA a minstrel for 300-400 and he anytimes you back for 300 + 2dds + stun.

Yeah, winged helm > critblades.

Nice to see that Haldar still drops by from time to time

I cant remember, does quickness and haste affect pa-dmg?

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Afaik...yes...anything that increases swing speed decreases base dmg by a pintch...and since PA/BS dmg formula has base dmg in it....
I think i can undestand about what u r trying to create ..playstyle-wise
Lurk for some time stealthed...find a perfect oportunity...kill in 1-3 swings and be gone before any1 around understands what hit them (wont even mention the poor guy that will be /releasing)
Thinks its doable to some degree...especially from a char your RR
-50cs
-39stealth
-last debuff
-mop5 (to make it a bit less situational)
-aug str 3(u really wont see much diff (have run mop4 and aug str 4 only to be humiliated by rr4 ns;cause of all the rest i could but didnt spec;and atm i am aug str 0 and mop 0..nothing left in chance)
-high sword but still..try to keep LA at a decent level...unless u can make a 4 SL uses template and find a 25%duration item to swap....that will be funny
-Ofc...vanish,purge,viper (for hybrids/tanks mostly...that dont purge usually too ; BIG mistake ). Tho i dont see a reason for EM,AoM and toughness. If all goes well...u wont even need to fight a sec longer than how much u want to...an assassin heaven


Btw.. I am going for GS/battler main hand (can also situationally swap all LW), malice as LA and Champ as 2h
Still havent decided how much env i will need so spec i a bit fliud..tho it will look a lot similar to what t is today
And RA : mos2, toughness 3, AoM 3, purge 3, vanish 1, FA 1, LW 1 and as i raise more in RR... viper 1 , EM 1 , aug str3 and mop 2

All that When i get a RoH...

 

[Haldar]

Nice to see that Haldar still drops by from time to time

i've reactivated my accs, now that my transfer to new apartments is complete, and got ok inernet access here.

I cant remember, does quickness and haste affect pa-dmg?

it didnt. dunno with those new changes though.

 

[Heta]

why spec that high in stealth tho?

 

[Thornea]

One snipit of info is about which 2h to use for PA's.. old school thinking was use the slowest 2h sword u can find (personally nothing beats 2h sun sword from my testing = almost 1/3rd more dmg than Dragon 2h sword).

VN boffins are advocating fast 2h weapons for PAing due to the delay of switching back to 2X 1handers after your initial 2h PA based on your 2h spd.
i.e. the time gap between landing CD after PA is based off your 2h sword spd even though you have switched back to 2X 1h weapons which are quicker swing spd wise. The small loss in dmg from fast 2h and slow 2h is made up instantly by the quicker landing of your next attack / CD.

Im going Battler 2h, Malice oh and switchout (ML10 sword, CW, GS, Legendaries) MH.

Another useful bit of advice I found from my CB spec testing is to load mezz poison on as many 2h duplicates as u can... PA ----> Mezzed ----> CD with no problems with run through / out of view etc. then ragnorak ftw.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

wont 'bleeding' break mezz ?
have used that trick...but only after BS2

 

[Jox]

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lol Nuxto, great idea, using cycklops shield.

 

[Jox]

But will dur work on stea lore?

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Yes...saw that when i wore Ph...i got some 1 min and 10 secs out of RoD use !! ... and SoM alba and all...and it was i think only 6% dur