those foreigners comin 'ere stealing us jobs and women!

[Tom]

I appear to have inadvertantly started a bit of a war in an industry forum, mainly because I'm getting pissed off with Australian cameramen coming into the UK and undercutting UK crews. Lots of people are 'horrified' and throwing terms like 'xenophobia' around.

What are your general feelings on this matter (in any industry)? I'm all for skilled and experienced people from any nation getting work over here, but, and this is the contentious point, I think that similarly skilled UK workers should always be chosen over their foreign counterparts (providing they are sociable). This of course becomes irrelevant should they choose to live here permanently.

Note that I have not used the term 'immigrant' anywhere, as most of these crews do not intend becoming UK citizens. In fact, I know of at least 1 aussie cameraman who pays no tax here, but earns the vast bulk of his income from companies based here.

 

[Ono]

Why don't you get your own back and pop over to Aussie and shag their women?

 

[throdgrain]

Thats the answer ! Although I bet a lot of em are dingos.
Hey , go and shag their dingos !

 

[Maljonic]

how do they afford to undercut the UK crews?

 

[Tom]

Part of my argument with them is that there is no level playing field - if I went to the US or Aus, no fucking way would I get hired.

 

[Debaser]

There's only so many dingos

How can they afford to undercut?

[edit] damn you mal

 

[Maljonic]

have to get in there quicker than that Debs...

 

[Summo]

Originally posted by Tom[SHOTTEH]
if I went to the US or Aus, no fucking way would I get hired.

How do you know that?

 

[old.Fweddy]

The Aussies told him so.

 

[Summo]

You mean they said, "Look, mate. No offence, yeah? But in Oz we wouldn't employ yer if yer said yer'd work fer free."

 

[old.Fweddy]

Lets all club together and send Tom to the land down under.

 

[Cdr]

If it was the 1700s we wouldnt have to do much, he could get sent there all by himself

 

[Rubber Bullets]

I'm not sure this is what Tom was getting at, but it is a lot more difficult to get professional jobs in Australia than it is for Aussies to get the same jobs here.

A few years back I was thinking of working over there, but one of the things that put me off was that the hospital that wanted me would have to provide their government, with documentary evidence, that I was taking a job that there was no qualified Australian available to do. This was even for just a 1 or 2 year temporary contract.

The same limitation did not apply over here as far as I know.

Of course there have been a well publicised cases recently where the NHS have brought in a lot of Philipino nurses to plug the homegrown shortfall. I have worked alongside some of these and they are lovely people, though a better grasp of English wouldn't go amiss for some of them.

The really sad thing is that once they realise how shit pay is in the NHS most of them leave to get public sector jobs or work for the nursing agencies, meaning that more come over to take their place. This is not making us popular with their home nations who now have their own cronic nurse shortages.

All this may have been a red herring though, Tom may just have been admitting that he is not good enough to get a job in Australia

s

 

[Tom]

Schadenfreude you've hit the nail on the head. That is exactly what I'm complaining about. I suggested that a similar scheme should be in operation in this country, and got my head blown off by several people who won't hear any mention of bad things said about 'them poor aussies!'

If the people over here aren't good enough to do the job, or there aren't enough of them, then open the floodgates, but never at the expense of jobs for well qualified and able citizens of this country.

Now I don't think that there is anything wrong with that position, but it evokes such hysteria that most people are afraid to bring it up in conversation.

PS FYI I am very good at my job, I'm one of the better motorsport cameramen in this country (I reckon top 20 easily).

 

[Ono]

South Africans as well.

Don't forget the South Africans!

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Originally posted by throdgrain
Thats the answer ! Although I bet a lot of em are dingos.
Hey , go and shag their dingos !

Hee hee.

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Don't the Australians have an extremely hard-line stance with asylum seekers?

"No way Bruce, we don't want shiploads of criminals and foreigners coming over here do we..."

On another note, I've never been able to take Australians seriously since I went house hunting a few years ago in London. Saw an ad that looked quite promising in the paper so went round to look at this place. It was a big London house, 4 or 5 bedrooms, and 22 (22!) of them were living together. I was shown around by a very butch lass, who kept talking about "rugger". She pointed out what would be my room for £500 a month. "So," says I, "the two lads in this room, they're moving out are they."

"Oh no, it'll be all three of you, there's room in that kingsize bed for another."

I said I'd let her know.

 

[Maljonic]

bollox, imo...

 

[Embattle]

I've meet a few Aussies and I find them quite open although I'm not surprised with your comment Tom, sadly it seems rather common that we import people rather easily compared to other countries and to make it worse we allow them to export the money. In certain circumstances it is necessary but you'll find most companies are just looking at the best price with the current climate of trading which seems to favour non UK residents in a number of sectors.

 

[Trem]

Originally posted by Tom[SHOTTEH]
Part of my argument with them is that there is no level playing field - if I went to the US or Aus, no fucking way would I get hired.

Thats kinda what I was gonna say, we have no choice in this country but to bend over and take it in the arse from the rest of the world. HURRAH FOR TONY!! :/

 

[Any]

Originally posted by Trem
Thats kinda what I was gonna say, we have no choice in this country but to bend over and take it in the arse from the rest of the world. HURRAH FOR TONY!! :/

Too true.
It seems that our entire immigration system just isnt what it should be.

Ive been looking at working holiday visas recently and people from most Commonwealth countries can come to the UK for 2 years and work anywhere they like for as long as they like.
But i can only go to Australia for a year and then only work for 3 months at a time.
Worse still i cant even go to Canada if im not a full time student. This makes me mad.

I wish our government would grow a backbone and start standing up for themselves.

 

[Maljonic]

you don't think for a moment that it might be the other countries that have it wrong and our policy is okay?

 

[old.Fweddy]

I'm more worried about them stealing our women, tbh.

tbh.

 

[Any]

Originally posted by Maljonic
you don't think for a moment that it might be the other countries that have it wrong and our policy is okay?

What good is being right if all it does is hurt the people that allready live here?

 

[Trem]

Originally posted by Maljonic
you don't think for a moment that it might be the other countries that have it wrong and our policy is okay?

No, not at all. How can a policy that means that people who have been born here, studied here, paid into this country all their lifes then get their jobs filled by foreigners be right?

Tell me I'm wrong and I will be more than happy to accept it.

After all, Canada and Australia are clearly rubbish countries to live :/

 

[throdgrain]

Tremor = win.

 

[Embattle]

Just skimmed over an article in the News of the World about how foreigners are abusing our NHS system....although I take all newspapers reports with a pinch of salt, esp NOTW.

 

[Embattle]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml

 

[Pakman]

They are only coming over to see their doctors and nurses we have pinched

 

[bigsir]

Originally posted by Embattle
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml

God, I hate that fucking 'Newspaper'.

Let's blame everything that's wrong with this country on everybody else, it's not our fault, honest!