the "wow" healing effect

[Mabs]

am i the only person who is fed up with the whole "oh you have to be a hybrid so you can solo " and you cant be a "proper" healer any more ?

ok, so we get healing spells, fine
and then we get DPS SPELLS!!11 that do shit all damage and are actually embarassing to use on people

why cant we just have a full on healer with no offensive abilities at all pls ?

i feel like a wannabe shadow priest from wow, which isnt something im particularly fond of tbh

bring back spread heal, rapid cast, small delve group heals, single/group instas, etc


ok, i miss my daoc healer, sue me

 

[dee777]

While I agree that healing should get a bit of love, so you have a chance to actually negate spikes, I very very very much urge the powers that be to never introduce spread heal. Please.

BTW, I played a decently geared shadow priest before and after expansion and its not really comparable. I know where you are coming from and I agree that throwing wet socks at people is kinda embarassing, but a shadow priest in good gear was seriously melting faces.

Just to be perfectly clear, I agree with the spirit of your post, however I strongly disagree regarding the neccessity of spreadheal.

 

[Mabs]

i know the shadow priest actually COULD dps, its the mentality that a healer needs to have offensive stuff i cant grasp
if you want to pew pew, play a mage.

as for the dps. well.
lvl 31 zealot.. lets see what "damage" spells i have !..hmm


insta cast dot ! 15 sec duration. does... *drumroll*... 270 corp damage
insta cast dd! 5s RuT. 166 corp damage
frontal cone dot.. woo.. getting serious here 288 over 9 seconds !

thats obviously the icon delve, so its not quite right, but you get the idea

i might aswell be spitting at em

 

[Boggy]

You gotta be able to solo PvE unfortunately. I played a bard originally in DAoC and not being able to solo a single thing makes you log out when you can't get a group.

Having said that, in groups I agree it's nicer to have proper roles and not have everyone as a hybrid. WAR seems pretty good on all this to me. As a RP I CAN solo PvE effectively, albeit a little slower than others, but my DPS isn't valuable enough that I feel I need to contribute anything other than heals to RvR. Sure, I still fire off my runes and insta damage spells when it looks like it will make the difference between an enemy going down or not, but that's about it.

 

[Dre@d]

So DoKs do shit dps no? MKAY xD

 

[Mabs]

So DoKs do shit dps no? MKAY xD

they also never heal, too busy pewpewing, dont count as real healers

/edit

oh your a bright wizard, im suprised you can string a sentence together

 

[Zebolt]

I don't find it that hard to heal tbh, maybe you should work out another tactic?

 

[Mabs]

I don't find it that hard to heal tbh, maybe you should work out another tactic?

did i say i was having trouble healing ?

i was merely objecting to having the utility split over stuff that serves no real purpose

 

[Zebolt]

did i say i was having trouble healing ?

i was merely objecting to having the utility split over stuff that serves no real purpose

So if mythic removed all the dmg spells from your zealot you would be happy? Well don't use them then ^^

 

[Mabs]

So if mythic removed all the dmg spells from your zealot you would be happy? Well don't use them then ^^

i dont use them, the delve vs casting time + cost = waste of time

they should be removed, and something vaguely useful put in in their place


woo its rocket science !

 

[Zebolt]

If you're saying you don't want less utility but no dmg spells that's just insane. Let's say they converted my DoTs to HoTs and my cast dmg spells to heals and all other dmg to heal. I would have 5 HoTs, small heals, large heals, group heals, insta heal and absorb shield. How would anyone ever kill my target then? Sounds just insane to me, it's fine the way it is.

 

[Mabs]

If you're saying you don't want less utility but no dmg spells that's just insane. Let's say they converted my DoTs to HoTs and my cast dmg spells to heals and all other dmg to heal. I would have 5 HoTs, small heals, large heals, group heals, insta heal and absorb shield. How would anyone ever kill my target then? Sounds just insane to me, it's fine the way it is.

funny that
i dont rememer playing daoc and having NOONE DIE EVER. which is what your claiming would happen, and yet the healers on all 3 realms had different delves/speeds/target heals coming out of their ears, it was a case of using the right spell for the right job - just cos you have MORE heal spells doesnt mean you are going to neccesarily heal better all the time, it just gives you more options

 

[Zebolt]

funny that
i dont rememer playing daoc and having NOONE DIE EVER. which is what your claiming would happen, and yet the healers on all 3 realms had different delves/speeds/target heals coming out of their ears, it was a case of using the right spell for the right job - just cos you have MORE heal spells doesnt mean you are going to neccesarily heal better all the time, it just gives you more options

How many healers in daoc do you know who had 5 HoTs along with the normal healing power?

FYI the HoTs stack ;>

 

[Mabs]

How many healers in daoc do you know who had 5 HoTs along with the normal healing power?

FYI the HoTs stack ;>

yea i know, but there is other stuff they could do

pulsing cure spells anyone ? so you can remove more than ONE dot every FIVE seconds, when you are getting them stacked on a whole group maybe ?

 

[Zebolt]

Well I'm not sure about the zealot but what is the shaman missing really heal wise? I got 2 HoTs, 1 one second cast heal, 1 three second cast heal, 1 group heal. The only thing I can see is missing is an insta heal and that's not much to whine about.

Along with that there's a possibility to remove buffs from your enemies and debuffs from your allies. We got an absorbation shield. We can steal AP and Morale. Buff allies dmg in several ways. Buff allies resistance. Debuff eneimes stats in several ways. We got silence. Ress, AoE ress and insta ress. And probably more that I don't remember atm.

I seriously don't see any problem at all, I got lots of stuff to play with.

 

[Gorbash]

I dunno, as a WP, i find that my heals in scenarios make a damn good difference (lvl 31, full healing mastery), and i just love the fact that when everyone in the group is looking good healthwise, I can go smash stuff in the face with a bloody huge hammer until i need to start healing again, even if the damage is a little on the crap side.

The point is, with mastery spells combined with the right morale config, i dont feel i lack healing options at all.

 

[Mabs]

Well I'm not sure about the zealot but what is the shaman missing really heal wise? I got 2 HoTs, 1 one second cast heal, 1 three second cast heal, 1 group heal. The only thing I can see is missing is an insta heal and that's not much to whine about.

Along with that there's a possibility to remove buffs from your enemies and debuffs from your allies. We got an absorbation shield. We can steal AP and Morale. Buff allies dmg in several ways. Buff allies resistance. Debuff eneimes stats in several ways. We got silence. Ress, AoE ress and insta ress. And probably more that I don't remember atm.

off top of my head:

small quick low delve heal
insta hot
casted hot
pbaoe group heal
leaping-between-group-members of target casted hot
ground marked ritual heals group mates <mastery>
+tough that heals , 3 min RUT (800 hp at 30)
remove 1 hex/curse , 5 sec rut

now there may be more stuff to come, ie aoe rez, but im not sure, not logged in atm to check

 

[Stallion]

as a zealot, main tools for healing is the insta hot, flash heal, group heal and the singel target heal.

Dark Medicine (heal + hot) costs quite alot of AP compared to the other heals, a flash heal will be more efficient and direct as with the 15% (above 20% with decent gear) crit tactic you will regain 160 AP points and heal for quite alot at a low cost.

Usally counter spike damage by using (Focused Mind) morale 2 and groupheal / singel target heal.

You also have the +100 base delve wounds increase that is healed as well as it is applied. depending on spec it goes all the way up to 160, so between 1k and 1.6k hp added for 60s.

I wouldn't say healing classes need love, but damage needs to be put in line, as in daoc, from a groups perspective, coordination of damage should be more of a priority, currently everyone in a group can take heavy damage with just 1 opponent focusing on each member.

 

[Motowntheta]

Spread heal was introduced to help people with poor skills or bad teams.

It should never ever ever ever be introduced into a game again.

I have a blast on my WP and don't really think there needs to be anything done with healing.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Nah, Spreadhealing was good in DAoC where it was very easy to interrupt spellcasting. I don't think it would be appropriate in WAR because spellcasting works in a different way but I don't think I agree with the way you describe it in DAoC.