THE SCORING SYSTEM SUCKS

[old.D R E ad]

I have noticed that it is coming very common for people to destroy there own teammates turrets and replace them with thier own so they could get the points when a flag runner comes in. I noticed this in every game I placed yesterday! What was even more annoying was the fact that this one guy kept doing it and replacing it in a really dumb place so it was easy for the other team to take out (which they they did).

It's just as sad as shooting/repairing the gen if you ask me and it needs to be resolved. I personally beleive it highlights another flaw the scoring system. But one that could fixed by a patch that made you lose points for destroying your teams deployed assets.

Also you get no points for shooting down a vehicle.

Also you get no points for killing someone with a Shrikes laser.

Also you get labled a teamkiller because some idiot steped on your mine.

Ok, some people will say "But why do points mater?!"

In an ideal world it should not mater. But it's part of the game and most people do care. Whether its idealogically right or not is not the point. The point is that its unfair. If you don't care about points thats cool, but it should be fair for the people who do.

But its the other problems it causes too; for example a lamer taking down his own generator can cause major problems for his teammates who need to tool up in a hurry but can't.

 

[Durzel]

I agree with you about the Shrikes thing, christ its hard enough killing anyone with the laser without some amazing flying - should be worth at least 5 points in my book

As for the other stuff, well I personally wouldn't (and don't) pay an awful lot of attention to the scoresheet (unless it's DM) since as you get a point for killing someone you could quite easily just go on a one-man killing mission, picking off people as and when you find them... but this isn't particularly beneficial to the team. On the other hand you could spend much of the game repairing other people/installations, trying (and failing) to get the enemy flag and get little or no points at all.

As mushy as it sounds - I often wander about repairing people and stuff, and the "Thanks" I get from that is more than enough for me

/me sniffs

 

[old.Cpl_Custard]

This game is the ONLY game i play where i don't look at my score at the end, the only score i look at is team score. It honestly doesn't bother me what my individual score is.

 

[old.D R E ad]

Thats cool but....

...Don't you think people destroying thier own gen then repairing it over and over agian to get the points should be stop by lossing a point for it?

 

[Ch3tan]

I dont care about the points, but u are right some people do to great extremes and these individualls who will sacrifice team performance to gain points are truly lame.

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Ohh i pray for a shrike laser kill score, or at least a mention of it in the console. I also belive a kill should be rewarded for a good tank crushing

As for the repairing gens, them blowing them up 'welcome to the world of online gaming' For me the ultimate was being able to win games on minos over and over in strong fields of players, nothing Tribes 2 could offer would match that for personal glory, despite me clocking up 30 odd kills every map, it just ain't the same

You guys are realy in for a treat when the TFC brigade start playing T2 your gona see some of the lamest shit there is

Trust me THEY WILL come

 

[old.Cpl_Custard]

BTW, you don't get points for repairing gens if a member of your own team blew them up in the first place.

ALSO, some people have good turret strategies. They will (i have) blow up turrets that aren’t doing anything and put them elsewhere. I have seen a newbie go out and place a turret in the middle of the battlefield not protecting anything. I left it there because I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of explaining why i had blown up his turret. Anyway later on in the game 2 of the turrets protecting the gens were destroyed so i went to replace them, oh look some newbie had dotted them over the map not doing jack shit. So had to slog across the map and destroy them so i could place them where they were going to help the team. I guess this is just a rant to newbies i don't not like you, but please think about where you are placing things.

Another thing that really pisses me off, i was playing Tombstone today. The flag and main base are about 600 meters away (lets just say the distance units are in meters). I geared up in heavy armor in the main base and took a deployable inv. station so i could set it up near the flag because there isn't a full inv station at the flag. I got there, went to put my inv station down, and it said "To many types of this class deployed". So i bought up the command circuit and some twat had placed all 5 inv. stations available to the team in the main base. 2 by the door (ffs this particularly pisses me off, people have to make the rooms symmetrical by placeing the things on either side of a room when 1 is plenty) and he had put 1 just out side the main base, and 2 in the generator room. So i was stuck there without any stations to re-arm at.

PLEASE THINK WHEN YOU ARE DEPLOYING THINGS, THE TEAM CAN ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EACH ITEM. ALSO IF YOU DEPLOY SENSORS, PLEASE LOOK ON THE COMMAND CIRCUIT AND PUT THEM WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED. (Click the sensor coverage button and it will draw circles where there is no cover) DON'T PLACE THEM ALL IN AN AREA ALREADY COVERED BY PULSE SENSORS.

Good to get things off your chest.

 

[luap]

Pld Custard. With your permission I wanna cut n paste that into my column.

 

[Ch3tan]

RANT! Custard nice one.

Okay now the serious stuff is out of the way can we spam?

m00?

HAI 0wns m00?

 

[old.zach]

When joining a server look to see if it has lots people who you know are team players.

If it doesn’t then you’re unlikely to have a good game.

If you see someone doing dumb shit, then vote to kick him.

[cF]NeaRly

 

[old.D R E ad]

Well...

Thanks for completely missing the point of my post!

Firstly going around and saying "thats stupid, I know better" then removing turrets is a very l337ist attitude to have mate. Which i don't like much. But then I guess this is the barrysworld forum !
N00bies do silly things sometimes, but they will learn. Anyway, what makes you a non-n00bie mate? the game has only been out a couple of weeks or so weeks!

But, yes. I have to agree with you that sometimes it needs to be done and you made some very valid points about good use of limited resourses.

If there was points taken off for destroying your own team assets it would stop the problem of people just going around 'nicking' turrets all game. But yes, it sometimes needs to be done and it would probably be worth losing a point to do it. But losing a point for each one would discurage people from doing it ALL game and not contributing to the team.

But my post was about the point system being illogical and the problems that causes. Not just that people don't get the points they deserve but because people won't play the game properly because they just want to be at the top of the scoreboard. I know you guys are not like that, but many people are and I have seen them ruin many a game.

I don't think there is anything wrong with personal scores. It's just that the personal scores have to reflect how much you have helped your team. Doing something that does not help the team should not be rewarded (gen spamming etc). Helping the team should earn personal points (piloting a good bombing run, shooting down enemy vehicles, etc.).

Also what about recruiting tribes? (you need points as its often very hard to spot good players out in this game). What about the pilots who never get any points and never get spotted by recruiting tribes?
You can learn your best role for the team from them.

Every team sport I can think of maintains personal stats on the players. It helps you see what you did for your team, not your self. And it know if I was a tribe leader i would like to look at the stats at the end of the game to see which members did a good job and what they did. Again, it help learning and assigning roles.
Thats what Dynamix intended to do. They intended the scoring system to help improve teamplay and role taking. But they made a few little mistakes which are causing BIG problems.

I know it's the good of the WHOLE TEAM that counts. Having a sensible scoring system would help promote better team play and help get rid of lamers spoiling some games. How can your team have a good cap count when your have idiots on your team doing stupid things?

Having a scoring system is not the problem, having an UNFAIR scoring system is the problem.

Ignore the scores if you want, but you can't ignore that fact that they need to be fair, logical and not encourage lamers.

Cheers guys,

[ ) R E A [ ).

BTW, I'm not sure about the OWN gen thing. But a lot of people are complaining about it. I will have to to try it. One thing they are doing is destroying the nme's gen then repairing it for a second then destroying it again. They doing it for as long as they can. Thats whats now being called 'gen spamming'.

PS - I hope most of that made sense. I'm was up trying to get my final year Java project finished as my girlfreind wrecked my pc, so i'm off to bed now

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Originally posted by zach
When joining a server look to see if it has lots people who you know are team players.

If it doesn’t then you’re unlikely to have a good game.

If you see someone doing dumb shit, then vote to kick him.

[cF]NeaRly

Instead of kicking the players, why don't you just leave the server if you don't like what you see

But hey i spose 'Teamplay' equals your m8 'fireman'

KICK HIM

 

[old.UncleCuba]

now comes the time for me to add my 2 shillings worth



PERSONAL score means JACK SHIT in t2

in 95% of games i play i come top3 purely through defeing and turrets 80% of my score is turret kills

i dont give a flying fuck if someone blows up my turrets to get points, as far as im concerned as long as they put a turret back its doing wot it is intended for DEFENDING

As for those who blow up gens to get points dont worry dread, the newbie quakers, cf players & ut palyers will soon learn that its pointless may take em a month or 2 but that is due to there limited team paly experience, no matter wot anyone says no other team game comes close to the team work needed in tribes.

they will be the ones left untribed

BTW i i am flag def/turret monkey as as my team well know i will kill 4 of them to kill one nme if i think my flag is in danger, i will also kill my own teams flag carrier if he is almost dead in order for the flag to stay safe

I do wot i must to protect my flag , thats me job and im good at it , no matter how many of my own team i kill

GOOD FLAG DEF ISNT ALWAYS TK FREE

love uncle cuba
[BR] EL PRESIDENTE

 

[old.UncleCuba]

opps forgot the hit about blowing planes up i agree with dread on that u should get point's for blowing up nme vehicles especally the jericho, cos it can be a pain in the arse

 

[old.zach]

I didn’t mean kicking newbies cause they don’t place turrets in the right place, I meant kicking people who destroy their own gen and fix it again just to get the points and other “dumb shit”

The points system is heavily biased towards defence, the reason for this is to encourage people to defend on public servers, unlike T1 where the points system favoured attacking players.

As for FireMAN im glad he’s on my side.

[cF]NeaRly

 

[old.Ewan]

I can attest to Cuba killing his teams flag carrier, as he did to me last night in a game

Ewan

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Ok fair enough, i didn't realy get your gist. As for fireman, i dam wish he was on my side too, everytime i play on a public he's on, i end up dueling the guy for 30 mins. He's allright, stands at about 50/50 with him atm, kinda boring though just battling one guy

 

[old.Cpl_Custard]

Re: Well...

Originally posted by D R E ad
What makes you a non-n00bie mate? the game has only been out a couple of weeks or so weeks!

I don't class newbies by how long they have been playing, just people who don't think about what they are doing before they do it. And people who ask questions that are clearly stated in a manual/training mission.

Originally posted by D R E ad
Also what about recruiting tribes? (you need points as its often very hard to spot good players out in this game). What about the pilots who never get any points and never get spotted by recruiting tribes?

Any clan that picks people based on score isn't worth being in TBH. A descent clan "cheif" will sit in observer and look at how people play, if they are trying to organise team attacks, and have some definate skills like a great capper (a good capper doesn't have to cap the flag 5 times each game, but if he sets up his own aids, asseses a situation, destroys anything that might hinder his cap, can alter his tactics to counter defences, then goes in for the flag, instead of just constant running in a grabbing the flag then dieing)

 

[old.Cpl_Custard]

Originally posted by Luap-ffs
Pld Custard. With your permission I wanna cut n paste that into my column.

lol sure