The problem with infils

[Crossfire]

I've been running around a while with my BG infil, and i don't know about anyone else, but the first time i ever went in for the PA my legs frozes with adrenalin. No, i don't think i'm easily pleased or have little to get excited about in my life (i only play camelot casually and after 1 and a half years i'm still not 50) so i think it was down to the sheer enjoyment of sneaking up on someone - them not knowing your plans etc.

Now the only problems i've found with my infil is that i have leather armour (fodder for SBs and pretty much anything infact), that i have few hps (only 388) and that i have no ranged abilities. I get incredibly annoyed when i see a BB, in perfect scout range, resting AFK at MPK and i can't do the slightest thing about it. Also, i may see someone sitting down resting up at CK, now in that situation i could just pop a few into him as a scout, but the infil has to get close and 8 times out of ten i die from the archers arrows as i flee.

So now i've thought about playing a scout up, one that can take a few hits and can do well in melee, but i'm posed with a few problems.

1) What class to choose: Highlander for HPs and Strenth? for melee purposes?
Saracen for dext? does that improve shooting at all?
Briton for a bit of both?

2) What spec? 24+5 Longbow? is that better damage then 21+5?
24+5 Stealth? Is that an improvement on just 24?

If anyone can help me out please reply

 

[Ormorof]

lol my first PA (actually all my PA's) i get pumped up with adrenaline, makes my hands shake

its why i still play shadowblade in bg after so long

oh and for all archers 24+5 bow is nice but for all stealthers not worth going higher than 19+5 stealth (24) since unless im very much mistaken higher than your lvl does nothing (and if it does it has very diminishing returns)

 

[Urgat]

Scout

Have a scout in thid atm.

Bow 24
Stealth 19
Shield 8
Thrust 10

All skills are +5
Have a full set of DF emerald jewlery, so all stats capped.

Using a Heavy longbow.


She is by far the most effective killer i have played in thid. Seriously.

 

[Doink-666]

I've been running around a while with my BG infil, and i don't know about anyone else, but the first time i ever went in for the PA my legs frozes with adrenalin. No, i don't think i'm easily pleased or have little to get excited about in my life (i only play camelot casually and after 1 and a half years i'm still not 50) so i think it was down to the sheer enjoyment of sneaking up on someone - them not knowing your plans etc.

Now the only problems i've found with my infil is that i have leather armour (fodder for SBs and pretty much anything infact), that i have few hps (only 388) and that i have no ranged abilities. I get incredibly annoyed when i see a BB, in perfect scout range, resting AFK at MPK and i can't do the slightest thing about it. Also, i may see someone sitting down resting up at CK, now in that situation i could just pop a few into him as a scout, but the infil has to get close and 8 times out of ten i die from the archers arrows as i flee.

Tsk tsk......firstly ur not the only one with leather armour, SB's are just as vunerable to it as you are. Another thing to do is get SC'ed armour! 388HP?? mines 550 or somefink, SC also betters ur stealh and skills .....the amount of times I've seen infils that have such poor stealth its sad imo.

If ur going to make a scout never make a Highlander scout rofl.
If you make a scout make sure he is SC'ed tbh.....coz you get annoyed at playing infils? wait till ur getting uncovered by SB's left right and centre.

Imo its pointless getting into BG if ur below the max lvl and you dont have SC'ed gear

 

[Dommelsch]

Urgat´s spec is basically the best spec if you like to snipe people from a very long range.. though when I met Mirmess, Snor´s alt, I changed my PoV..

Her spec was something like;

-24 Shield
-21 Slash
-10 Stealth
-06 Bow

I organised a little duel with her and tbh I got totally pwned..

I´m not sure but afaik scouts get Evade II(I) ? and with 24 Shield I wasn´t able to hit her at all. She evaded or blocked 80% of my attacks and with that vs. a 2handed Skald is rather powerfull.

Ofcourse every scout´s spec has its pro´s and con´s but even with 6 bow you can make an enemy drop to lets say 75%.. they then think you will be eating dirt fast but when they notice you blocking that much and doing that much damage ( she swung her weps 2 times in the time I hit her once )
After having that taken into account she could also had acces to a nasty stun ( from behind it stunned me for 6 seconds ) and that means about 4 styles ( this is where you can a) run off if you think you will die or b) get in a few positionals )

If I ever go back to Albion I would surely try that spec.

Oh, be Highlander for best melee damage ( if slash ofc. )

...

Scouts are a very good sniper though having such a long range. I have seen buffbots getting killed by them for standing to far from mtk.

It´s up to you which style you like to play but imo the melee-scout type is very nice.

Oh about about your infil´s hitpoints.. that really is too low in Thidranki. Merziyas´s firewizard in thidranki had 540hps buffed Oo ( ben de naam vergeten schat ;o ) that´s like twice as much as yours..

Best way to get more stats/hps etc is indeed with DF-jewelry or with 40+ jewelry like the gobbo jewel with 4x(?) 7% resists etc..

I wish you the best of luck with it and maybe I can nail you down with my SB when she´s ready, though might take a while as I neither have alot of time to play daoc.

Kind regards,

Dommelsch.

 

[Voltage]

My scout was the most fun char I've played in BG1 also

my spec was:

21bow
21thrust
13stealth
7shield

could kill anything at range, and was SCed so could take on most people up close (engage and beartooth for 6sec stun is powerful in thid)

oh and I'm Inconnu, cos it looks funny.

sadly now I'm level 50 and cant kill SBs in melee anymore... gunna have to respec to 50 shield too what with DF nerf coming :touch:

 

[Thegreatest]

Oh about about your infil´s hitpoints.. that really is too low in Thidranki. Merziyas´s firewizard in thidranki had 540hps buffed Oo ( ben de naam vergeten schat ) that´s like twice as much as yours..

Justifire

Indeed had around 550 hps buffed (and that wasnt even buffbot buffs) and I'm not even sure if my +con and +hitpoints were capped (wasnt wearing sc armor then, just rog drops and some df stuff). But if you wanna roll a scout:

Says all tbh

Spec:

Bow 21+5
Stealth 19+5
Thrust 15+5
Shield 10+5

Not 100% sure about shield but bow + stealth + thrust spec is 100% correct and shield is all leftover points, I blocked quite much and could get the nice lvl 15 thrust style off a lot of times (goes off block, 6 sec stun). I've been able to kill an enchanter when a ranger was shooting me, kill the ranger in melee and killed also a ns that added . With 5% hp left tho...I evaded last 4 attacks from the ns so was kinda lucky.

Oh and autotrain stealth (yes it's possible with /lvl 20). Auto lvl your char to 20, put 1 point in stealth, /respec stealth and tada, you'll have 5 (or 4?) points in stealth for free. This means you can get 10+5 shield instead of 9+5 (or something similar). And I've played 4 different bg only chars so far (friar/3x infil/scout/fire wizard) and I can say I've had lots of fun with the scout, maybe more than with an infil. I like having good ranged damage output and also decent melee so you still have some chance in melee. Hope this helps...

 

[Doink-666]

Thas the best specc imo, 19+5 stealth is very very worth while. Otherwise ur just gonna have SB gank squads on ur ass tbh and when i come to think of it i garuntee ppl just generally i.e dunno say skald etc could even come up and whack easy enough with shyte sealth, heck even i got popped with 19+5 stealth if i got to cheeky

If you want a better fighter with shyte stealth roll a mincer tbh :touch:

 

[Crossfire]

Thanks for all the help guys. Having a 45 scout, i find that melee would come in handy. So as Dommelsch suggested it's good to hold that high, and it seems to me that moderate stealth works for Zarife.

.... but then i'm not sure, which spec to go for. So i've come to the conclusion that i will pl my scout, get Auto Trained Stealth and Longbow, and, against Doinks advice go highlander. Unless Highlanders are much worse with Longbows, they have to be the best overall, as they'll have better HPS and melee damage.

.... and atleast i'll have something to do when theres camping going on, and i think it's much safer to shoot rather than stab. Only problem i do see with scouts is that CS dosn't pierce BT.

Eventually my spec will be something like
21+5 longbow
19+5 Stealth
<high thrust>
<high shield>

Thanks again for the help.

 

[Thegreatest]

Thanks for all the help guys. Having a 45 scout, i find that melee would come in handy. So as Dommelsch suggested it's good to hold that high, and it seems to me that moderate stealth works for Zarife.

.... but then i'm not sure, which spec to go for. So i've come to the conclusion that i will pl my scout, get Auto Trained Stealth and Longbow, and, against Doinks advice go highlander. Unless Highlanders are much worse with Longbows, they have to be the best overall, as they'll have better HPS and melee damage.

.... and atleast i'll have something to do when theres camping going on, and i think it's much safer to shoot rather than stab. Only problem i do see with scouts is that CS dosn't pierce BT.

Eventually my spec will be something like
21+5 longbow
19+5 Stealth
<high thrust>
<high shield>

Thanks again for the help.

Well if you want to have at least 21 bow and 19 stealth, then you don't have much choice but going my spec . 19+5 stealth isnt moderate, it's the highest possible and best at lvl 24 (cause having more stealth than your level does nothing). Good luck, but it isnt really worth the 20 extra lvl's of pl'eveling for maybe that 1 point extra in thrust or shield...besides, the autotraining tactic I mentioned does also work (and saves you hours of xp). You can try it at least, if it doesnt work you can still reroll from lvl 1....

 

[Crossfire]

If you check my sig i don't actually have /level yet, but im borrowing someones acount and it's the best i can do

 

[Shanaia]

very long post I won't totally quote .. about the meleescout

Nice to see some smart person tried this spec in Thid

My spec (which gets laughed at quite often) now at 50 (rr5) is 50 shield, 34 thrust, 35 stealth and 30 longbow... basicly same as that full shield Thid spec with the added advantage of halflevels to get stealth and longbow up to a more respectable level.

With mob2 and dodger2 I win my duels by not getting hit. And aye my bowdamage is not as consistant as when I had high longbow (had 50 then 45 for a long time)

Before I could shoot a Savage to 20% and then take off 5% while he took 195% of my health (ip used).. now I shoot a savage to 50% and then quite often win the fight in melee without using IP.

Weird spec?.. maybe .. but I'm a weird scout .. so it fits me just fine

btw <huggles Urgat>

 

[Section]

Have a scout in thid atm.

Bow 24
Stealth 19
Shield 8
Thrust 10

All skills are +5
Have a full set of DF emerald jewlery, so all stats capped.

Using a Heavy longbow.


She is by far the most effective killer i have played in thid. Seriously.

you probably have 3 or 4 buffbots too ?

 

[Arus Canus]

Originally Posted by Thegreatest
Oh and autotrain stealth (yes it's possible with /lvl 20). Auto lvl your char to 20, put 1 point in stealth, /respec stealth and tada, you'll have 5 (or 4?) points in stealth for free.

Sorry to burst your bubble....It doesnt auto train, pts u see in stealth are deducted from the points given back.


Tried full respec my scout at 50... got 12 LB for free ( no stealth auto ) i thought, so was jumping with joy. Turnsout to be pts taken from the respec and used to keep it at minimum lvl.

 

[Ormorof]

Sorry to burst your bubble....It doesnt auto train, pts u see in stealth are deducted from the points given back.

not like scouts auto train stealth anyway

 

[Thegreatest]

Sorry to burst your bubble....It doesnt auto train, pts u see in stealth are deducted from the points given back.


Tried full respec my scout at 50... got 12 LB for free ( no stealth auto ) i thought, so was jumping with joy. Turnsout to be pts taken from the respec and used to keep it at minimum lvl.

Well if you use the character builder you'll see that it did work for me (cause it isnt possible to get 21 bow 19 stealth 15 thrust 10 shield without autotraining). But I think it's fixed or something after patch 1.67 cause it doesnt work for me anymore either...But I'm 100% sure it did work for me before

Btw I of course meant autotraining longbow, bit confused with infil

 

[Arus Canus]

I tried it pre-toa , wasnt working there either.

E+E peeps told me that, when i got all excited coz of the "extra pts".

 

[Crossfire]

thanks for pointing that out, hopefully my spec will still work out well though

 

[Weezle]

I'd go for

19 stealth
21 lb
9 shield
15 thrust

for a scout with a bit of melee capabilities (15 thrust for beartooth)
Saracen for high dex (bow dmg is dex based) and use a slow thruster since your quickness will be rather high.

Still, one of my favourite specs in bg1 is:

19 stealth
24 lb
5 shield
12 thrust

Just have to be a bit more careful and stay outta melee.

My most recent midgard project was a bit harder... (Eadicah the huntress) since I only had 4 (!) in spear (24 bow etc). Could not melee down anything but still had loads of fun shooting stuff. I did have to run away from melee fights a few times but that was kinda part of the fun.

 

[Chimaira]

Arus u wrong

It does help

bcauz I didnt do that with my fotm infil I lost 1 lvl of dual wield

 

[ev0_o]

i got a highlander slash scout in thid, specced 24shield, 21slash, 10stealth, and 6 bow (autotrained) i still do bout 100dmg a shot with bow since i know wot arrows to use on which targets, and i can kil anything in melee, especially weak to slash SB's who jump me coz of my bad stealth, ive won many 2vsme encounters vs SB's and hunters, Scout is Mirmess btw, but currently playing my 251str, 859 hp twinked zerker Mirrmess ;p

 

[Dommelsch]

you f*ck .. you pwned me skald xD

dommelsch.

 

[Crossfire]

That spec seems to promise so much, but surely it would be better to leave the things at 21, which is the last attack until 25, and then bonus it all by +5, giving you higher stealth?

Just a thought Evo

 

[Ormorof]

That spec seems to promise so much, but surely it would be better to leave the things at 21, which is the last attack until 25, and then bonus it all by +5, giving you higher stealth?

Just a thought Evo

24 shield gives a 6s behind stun and 24+5 shield is better than 21+5

 

[Crossfire]

Yet again i haven't done the research, but this draws me back to hte first comment i made, does 24+5 do anymore than 21+5 as it's over your level. Give me a link with the answer and i'll rest assured

 

[Ormorof]

well i dunno about link, but for weapons/shields/parry it DOES have an effect, its only for stealth it has little or no effect (i think ) but 24+5 weapon will give you higher WS and so less chance for your attacks to be evaded and more chance of blocking

i probably shouldnt be giving you advice though! since you'll probably be keeling me soon :/

 

[Crossfire]

hehe, too true, not as sure of my spec now, prolly go with the 21+5 LB and
19+5 Stealth, 15+5 Slash and a little higher than 10 Shield (thanks to slightly autoing LB)

Now all i need is a character builder which includes auto train ...

Someone mentioned before something along the lines of auto training coming out of spare points....someone please quench this rumour for meh

 

[Ormorof]

scout character builder : http://daoc.catacombs.com/cbuilder2.cfm?Scout

you can add the extra auto train points in the little box too

 

[Crossfire]

ok, thanks

 

[Thegreatest]

If you wanna go 21 lb 19 stealth 15 weapon, go thrust imo cause the lvl 15 thrust style is really nice...Its some kind of 'free escape'...I just did it today, near ck when a healer and a sb had jumped me, I engaged the sb, after first block used beartooth and ran away -> stealthed...I needed to laugh for a few secs cause they were really convinced that they got me...tsk tsk :d