The North is Under Attack

`mongoose

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I'm not sure of how much interest this is to you all - but it should give people something to read and try and explain what we rabbit on about when we start talking about the south the north etc.


Firstly it seems Wildly Inappropriate Alliance hav evacced the entire of their space in Geminate and are now choosing to base themselves from Low Sec.

For those of you wondering what the hell this means - a quick breakdown would be

WI are long term allies of an entity known colloquially as NC (Northern Coalition) a coalition of alliances that at times includes Mostly Harmless, Morsus Mihi, Razor, Majesta Empire. The NC are traditionally allies of Goonswarm and have at times fought with and against Pandemic Legion (one of the biggest capital fleet fights of recent months was between PL and NC entities). The NC expands and contracts as needed. In times of peace they may have strategic alliances (i.e. we're not blue but we won't attack your space, we'll roam for shits n giggles pvp) but under times of attack they all form up a bit like nato to defend each other's space.

At present there is a fairly big push on "NC" space by multiple coalitions looking to either take control of valuable mining moons or settle scores of various natures. This has resulted in NC being forced to defend on their territory on three fronts.

Atlas, Cow and Gentlemens Club have assaulted Geminate.
Triumvirate, Initiative, Circle of Two, ROL and evoke have assaulted the Pure Blind region and have been more or less halted in a sov grind there at present.
Drone Region Russians (SOL?) are assaulting the northern end of NC space but I'm hazy as to where they're hitting and how much success they're having.

The key to attacking the North successfully is to remove the alliances on a one by one basis. They are capable of forming up large numbers of pilots and can win by weight of numbers alone when they're stirred up. They're also capable as an entity of fighting under one Commander and can are adept at grinding enemies down and retaking their space.

With the North distracted by Tri and co in Pure Blind Atlas have managed to isolate WI and have pretty much demolished them through weight of numbers and current game mechanics which have at time proven unhelpful to defenders. This means WI have evacced and are replacing assets, whether they return to the North to help other embattled NC entities is unknown at present. There were some unflattering things said about WI on various forums by other NC pilots which cannot have gone down well.

With the majority of WI space more or less conquered Atlas have moved beyond the Geminate region and are now assaulting Majesta Empire towers in Vale of Silent Region. For NC it's probably now a decision to hold PB and try and grind down the will to fight of TRI and co and to try and reverse our success in taking various moons around the region. The hope will be that they can crush our attack in Pure Blind then retake/repair the damage done to Majesta Empire space that Atlas have caused whilst the NC have focussed on us.

Perhaps most interesting in this is that with PL now reportedly returning to their roots (small gang combat, "elite" pvpers not engaging blobs etc) in low sec/ 0.0 piracy and the NC distracted by various entities in the North the path might now be clear for -a- and the IT alliance to pay visit to goonswarm once again. With neither of their allies in a position to offer significant support Molle may finally get some revenge for the disbanding of bob by a goon spy 8 months ago and one of the bitterest conflicts in Eve might finally come to some form of conclusion.

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Great post ! Keep it coming, it's hard to tell whats real and whats not on eve forums with bits of propaganda and other bs there :p
 

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In some ways the chickens are now coming home to roost. I always felt the NC were the main reason why Bob lost their space after the spy dropped their sov. The NC kept it going when even goons lost interest.

I felt what they did was wrong and that one day I would have some satisfaction seeing them be attacked.

I know Bob had their MAX failure up north but the way goons play the game and the manner of how they removed Bobs sov should all have meant NC stayed out of it. But they didn't.

Pandemic Legion ended up showing their true colours as a paper tiger alliance once they had reset Goons and had no real backing.

Will NC see Goons coming to their aid now? I doubt it. NC helped goons out but that help will not be reciprocated.

On another note the one thing NC are good at is comebacks and I have nothing but respect for them for that reason. I just felt the Bob war was a massive mistake mostly because I dislike Goons.
 

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I'm always interested in on-hand stories from EVE, both CAOD and SHC is a cesspit of wank so not bother going there for news. Hell even ISD is getting trolled these days (the idiots) :)

What is funny is that CO2 - ex NC are now ousting their old overlords and they did hold out for quite some time (not sure what happened there)

Now it has to be mention that the north has been mostly conquered before but managed to survive (when bob, MC et al. invaded), so you'll prolly see entities like RZR survive but yeah- alliances acting like shield disbanded etc (even now WI are losing corps)

Anyways, stuff is happening down in Catch aswell, yeah. Maybe I'll type something up later in a different thread
 

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I'm trying to keep it smack / propaganda free ;)

Bear in mind (anyone in the north will probably know this anyway) I am not a friend of the NC so whilst I might report their movements and successes they won't be with as much relish as those of TRI or anyone killing them as it stands ;)

I've also had rl stuff to sort this week so I'm trying to steer clear of engagements that I didn't witness.

I do know NC camped the TRI staging system the other day and incapped/reinforced our staging poses whilst the TRI fleet was out of system.

Rather than risk the jump in lag lottery TRI + friends responded by hitting NC jump bridges and MoonGold poses. Neither side made any real progress of note but both sides will probably chalk it up as a "moral" victory ;)

Alot of the stuff on SHC is fairly accurate. Just ignore any posts once they start talking about numbers. Both sides are playing the "outnumbered" card.

On paper the NC have MASSIVE numbers but in reality they're not managing to muster more than around 250 ish in fights. TRI are fielding similar numbers but obviously on batphone ops both sides are fielding around 700 pilots.

Batphone ops would be ops securing crucial logistics poses or stations ;)


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ON a historical / other alliance note..

Firstly - MC were never contracted to hit tribute. That was a mistake imo. They killed D2 (personal grudge between d2 and seleene) and took some razor space but RZR merely relocated to MM space in tribute and waited for MC to move on. Then they dismantled TITS in about a week and then had a fairly robust but ultimately successful campaign vs Mpire, Fatal & Cow in Branch/Tenal.

Co2 were always blue to MM/Rzr but were very independant, hitting IRUN poses during the first BOB war whilst Irun/MM/Rzr were helping Goonswarm and shooting MM/Rzr pilots who ratted/missioned in "their" space. They still are a bit mental and I'm not surprised they got reset. Was quite wierd flying with them tbh seeing as when I was in insurgency we fought CO2 all the time.

Eve was different during the MAX campaign. 5 + titans could easily secure a system from any kind of fleet during those times.

PL were a proper alliance but as with all FOTM alliances quality control slipped as they bulked up to fight "Proper" fights to hold space and they ended up with a massive split between "old school" roaming PL pilots and "f1-F8" headrollers (as I've heard fleet pilots referred too)

Also atm IT are fielding huge numbers. at their peak they've been pulling around the clock camps with 500+ people in fleet. That's massive and very few alliances or coalitions could live with those sorts of numbers.

They also recieved very little support from their friends during this time. Whilst I have no love for PL you cannot mock their achievements. They are very skilled, a little too metagaming reliant for my taste but very skilled nonetheless.

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On the flip side of the universe, -A-, UNITY and SYS-K (of all things) are currently sieging D-GTMI. PXF outpost chokepoint into providence
 

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Keep em coming, I miss EvE terribly but can't play it again, lost a scary amount of hours playing, too addictive for me....just another hour.....it'll be fine.....best phone in sick....etc etc.

Stories like this satiate my "needs" nicely and let me retain a life :)
 

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On the flip side of the universe, -A-, UNITY and SYS-K (of all things) are currently sieging D-GTMI. PXF outpost chokepoint into providence

Now that IS interesting. if PXF lose D-G that's a serious loss. That would move the -A- citizens camp from hed-gp to D-g I suspect ;)

I'm surprised CVA/PXF haven't managed a solid counteroffensive though. They have massive Numbers.

Now Back to the North and a warning for carebears in Empire.

On Sunday the NC and TriBlob batphoned. The NC were hitting friendly towers in P-2TTL (the Mostly Harmless system that we took just after Christmas and that Iniative hold currently). NC formed up massive numbers, we formed up massive numbers. Local in p-2 peaked at around 1370. Unsurprisingly MOST players are desynced, can't leave, can't load and are just dying without seeing anyone.

The problem with this constant batphoning from both sides is that if you don't do it you're worried about being outnumbered and dying in a fire, horribly. If you do do it you're worried about either blueballs and the other side saying "fuck it, let's go home" or massive desync and dying in a fire horribly.

There are currently talks from some of the major players in 0.0 about 15 or so BIG alliances wardeccing each other and moving to empire for a week.

If that happens expect to see Mission Nodes and Trade hubs die. Nothing more than that. It will be pure carnage as big alliances try and push Empire systems like Jita to the 2K mark and have huge fights outside some of the stations. This is being pushed as a protest to ccp. personally i think it's childish and badly thought out. It still makes me laugh that they think a developer can just click his fingers and fix a program. I suspect CCP are very worried about the lag and desync atm. THey can't just reimburse ships lost to it because they'll just fuel another round of crazy fights with "free" ships that people will then want to have replaced.

I'm hoping we get a fix soon because I don't think either side is prepared to back down on the numbers front.

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Keep em coming, I miss EvE terribly but can't play it again, lost a scary amount of hours playing, too addictive for me....just another hour.....it'll be fine.....best phone in sick....etc etc.

Stories like this satiate my "needs" nicely and let me retain a life :)

You should return to eve. Even with the lag nothing beats the game for just "what do you want to do today?" possibilities.

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Now that IS interesting. if PXF lose D-G that's a serious loss. That would move the -A- citizens camp from hed-gp to D-g I suspect ;)

I'm surprised CVA/PXF haven't managed a solid counteroffensive though. They have massive Numbers.

Indeed, we were called for a "sekrit cta" on friday which we in the end reinforced everything in D-GMTI.

Tbh it was provi's fault for breaking the status quo that existed between them and -A- by claiming some of the "no-mans land" between D-GMTI and HED-GP. Thus giving -A- casus belli for taking D-GMTI.

And yes, it is PXF de facto main outpost system and will be a massive blow to atleast that holder alliance. Also it will make the other holder alliances question CVA's motives for doing the initial aggression. In addition to testing the ties of provibloc.

Provibloc can field massive numbers and they were indeed called upon last night (same time when P-2TTL was blobbed). Local went up to 1200 in D-GMTI, node crashed 15 mins before i-hub went out of reinforced with the entire -A- and UNITY capital and BS fleets on grid (and provi fleet landing on gridloads).

Frantic logging back in, a small rollback (but i-hub was out of reinforced), dreads siege green and went into 2nd reinforce way under one siege cycle.

Provi then decided to warp in their very disorganized fleet after i-hub was reinforced and a turkey shoot commenced.

Don't have me mistaken, provi can field alot of pilots and do have quite alot of good pvpers. But coordinating that many alliances (in addition to individual cva-friendly corps) must be an absolute nightmare. In addition their fleet BS to support ship ratio has declined alot since THEIR initial invasion of the SV5 pipe. For example they titanbridged in more than 120 BC, got them on grid and decided to try pop a dread (only getting a moros to 30% shield) while they died in a fire from fleet BS.

Their hub, POS and outpost timers have also been quite favourable for EU prime and russians especially. But it only takes one cockup in D-G for all progress to be reset and provi will get many chances...

However if D-GMTI is taken (which won't be trivial), you can be sure that there will be constant harassment ops going from there- not only conventional roaming but capital hotdrops and blackops drops going quite deep into providence
 

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In some ways the chickens are now coming home to roost. I always felt the NC were the main reason why Bob lost their space after the spy dropped their sov. The NC kept it going when even goons lost interest.

I felt what they did was wrong and that one day I would have some satisfaction seeing them be attacked.

I know Bob had their MAX failure up north but the way goons play the game and the manner of how they removed Bobs sov should all have meant NC stayed out of it. But they didn't.

Pandemic Legion ended up showing their true colours as a paper tiger alliance once they had reset Goons and had no real backing.

Will NC see Goons coming to their aid now? I doubt it. NC helped goons out but that help will not be reciprocated.

On another note the one thing NC are good at is comebacks and I have nothing but respect for them for that reason. I just felt the Bob war was a massive mistake mostly because I dislike Goons.

Here's a piece of mind from an old Northener, who helped shape RZR in its initial stages...

BoB have always been the arch-enemy of the North, it goes very, very deep, way before the Great Northern War had actually started. There's been literally years of conflict, of mistrust and disliking between the core of the Northeners and BoB.

You know the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ? That's what Goons are for the North. And even if it took the Goons to put the lid on the BoB concept, I'm pretty sure someone in the North was relieved.

I never liked Goons - My killmails were plastered with them, as were the killmails of my fellow corporate members. We hunted them, we recognized the plague that they meant - but BoB was the bigger game, that's all.

Take my words knowing I have quit the game about 3 years ago - but that's what the emotional landscape was back then.

Not sure on the objectives or goals of the North today, didn't keep in touch with my friends in the North.
 

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Here's a piece of mind from an old Northener, who helped shape RZR in its initial stages...

BoB have always been the arch-enemy of the North, it goes very, very deep, way before the Great Northern War had actually started. There's been literally years of conflict, of mistrust and disliking between the core of the Northeners and BoB.

You know the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ? That's what Goons are for the North. And even if it took the Goons to put the lid on the BoB concept, I'm pretty sure someone in the North was relieved.

I never liked Goons - My killmails were plastered with them, as were the killmails of my fellow corporate members. We hunted them, we recognized the plague that they meant - but BoB was the bigger game, that's all.

Take my words knowing I have quit the game about 3 years ago - but that's what the emotional landscape was back then.

Not sure on the objectives or goals of the North today, didn't keep in touch with my friends in the North.

I'd say their views haven't changed at all.

As for current goals I think they're pretty determined to hold their core regions - Pureblind, Venal, Vale etc. I would say considering the number of r64 and technetium moons in the region, right now the NC member alliances are pulling in isk hand over fist. They'll be determined to secure these areas for as long as they can.

The fight seems to be back in p-2 atm with both sides regularly blobbing the system to 1300 ish and then taking advantage of the desyncs as they can.

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It will be pure carnage as big alliances try and push Empire systems like Jita to the 2K mark and have huge fights outside some of the stations. This is being pushed as a protest to ccp.

As a newb, Ill be sitting in the middle of all this salvaging all the loot :D
 

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As a newb, Ill be sitting in the middle of all this salvaging all the loot :D

you know you'l be tagged if you do right? :)

everytime you try to loot a ship you havent killed you will get pirate flagged and can be shot at by the owners fleet mates :p
 

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you know you'l be tagged if you do right? :)

everytime you try to loot a ship you havent killed you will get pirate flagged and can be shot at by the owners fleet mates :p

You won't get flagged for salvaging, just if you take loot from the container.

Sounds good Ronso but with the Sov changes that have happened in the last few hours I doubt people are going to buddy up for a highsec war any time soon. Too much of a land grab / salvage operation going on.
 

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Had my first taste of pvp today, I went to low sec in a frigate and found a kestrel, killed him and then he came back in an IBIS to loot his stuff and killed him again. Got killed by a destroyer in the end but man it really gets your nerves going :D It was like going to emain for the first time all over again :p
 

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Had my first taste of pvp today, I went to low sec in a frigate and found a kestrel, killed him and then he came back in an IBIS to loot his stuff and killed him again. Got killed by a destroyer in the end but man it really gets your nerves going :D It was like going to emain for the first time all over again :p

The pvp is what keeps me playing Eve. It's great when you win but when your gorgeous rigged faction fit faction ship dies it hurts like a motherlover ;)

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Had my first taste of pvp today, I went to low sec in a frigate and found a kestrel, killed him and then he came back in an IBIS to loot his stuff and killed him again. Got killed by a destroyer in the end but man it really gets your nerves going :D It was like going to emain for the first time all over again :p

It does jangle your nerves the problem is it is so nervy that most of the players work to make sure they have better numbers. By better I mean 2x your gang etc.

You can see why that makes sense.

A really hard one this - how to get jangly PvP that doesn't end up in blobbage.
 

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Not really, there's plenty of places with low populations either in lowsec or 0.0 where you can get even numbers on fights. But there's probably no such thing as a fair fight in EVE though, but then again that's not the point.

The problem is that we're so used to DAoC mentality (or other faction mmo's with 2-3 sides), where the RvR evolved into something the developers never planned. And is probably one of the reasons noone plays it today
 

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It does jangle your nerves the problem is it is so nervy that most of the players work to make sure they have better numbers. By better I mean 2x your gang etc.

You can see why that makes sense.

A really hard one this - how to get jangly PvP that doesn't end up in blobbage.

Yeah

The other issue is that losing fights costs so people like to ensure victory as much as they can.

In Northern News I think our campaign is going to pause for a while until the devs get a handle on the lag. I'm disappointed as I feel this just underlines TRI's adhd tag but I can understand why we're backing off a little as right now there's some serious numbers on the field and nobody enjoys 3/4 node crashes and an evening staring at blank screens.

Well done NC I think :)

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You should return to eve. Even with the lag nothing beats the game for just "what do you want to do today?" possibilities.

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You have no idea how much i'd love to play once more, but im scared of losing my life all over again ;)
 

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Apparently the north is going to be under massive attack the coming weeks
 

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How is the new ownership stuff going? Does it make it easier or difficult to hold stuff?
 

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How is the new ownership stuff going? Does it make it easier or difficult to hold stuff?

It makes it harder to own all those random systems between sov hubs , and having a station system is alot more expensive now , people having to take a step back and consider do they really need a station in a system etc :D
 

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Yeah

The other issue is that losing fights costs so people like to ensure victory as much as they can.

In Northern News I think our campaign is going to pause for a while until the devs get a handle on the lag. I'm disappointed as I feel this just underlines TRI's adhd tag but I can understand why we're backing off a little as right now there's some serious numbers on the field and nobody enjoys 3/4 node crashes and an evening staring at blank screens.

Well done NC I think :)

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KKeep us posted please I am finding it hard to follow SHC which is becoming a bit spammy.

I also agree that you lose too much in fights. I had several long emails exchanges with a few of the GM's after I left the game and explained my main reasons for leaving. One was the shear effort it takes to be able to keep a personal fleet afloat. It was too much like real life and not enough like a game.

They really are the most progressive company I have ever seen though so I am sure they will find a way to fix it.

One of my other main reasons was their complete failure to control or at least stop Goonswarm. Thankfully Goons did it to themselves.
 

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