the Fop in NF

[Owl]

..as i understand FoP got nerfed badly in NF right? (in PvE that is). now you can only regen power while not in combat. that would make the pbaoe setup grps impossible to work anymore (always refering to pve)? doesnt this suck or what? i quit playing some time ago and was thinking of coming back to the game...i had it all planned. i have a 50 icewiz but unfortunately when creating the char i totally wasted the points going for strgth, emp charisma etc, and i thought that i could spend some time pling a cler in another account, doing ml5 for fop and then, with the cleric, i could pl another wiz or some other char on the first account, but this aint gonna work anymore i guess. well, i really dont have time to start over again, even from lvl 20, so i dont know if i'll go back to daoc anymore...it's just too difficult for someone that didnt start playing daoc from the beggining to get in track with players that did.

 

[Wmv]

eh? How do you think pbaoe grps worked before we had any FOP at all?

Sure it will take bit longer now when fop doesnt work in combat but its still ALOT faster then it was before we even had toa or any ml5 chars, takes 10sec to get out of combat and another 2min to restup full mana bar, takes like 10min with no fop

 

[Owl]

i know, but the thing is that there are many more things to do now....before TOA u just had to go for lvl 50 and then spend some time getting a few items and you were set to go for RvR. now u have to go 50 asap, then do some mls if not all, mlxp, and also fix urself a template and start chasing artis or hard-to-find items. it can take months just to prepare a char for rvr...i know i'm whining atm but from my experience in rvr u really can't go there without having a good temp...

 

[Wmv]

i know, but the thing is that there are many more things to do now....before TOA u just had to go for lvl 50 and then spend some time getting a few items and you were set to go for RvR. now u have to go 50 asap, then do some mls if not all, mlxp, and also fix urself a template and start chasing artis or hard-to-find items. it can take months just to prepare a char for rvr...i know i'm whining atm but from my experience in rvr u really can't go there without having a good temp...

Depends what you wanna do really, stick to the zerg and run around taking towers/keeps and its enough with getting some dex/pie cap, castspd and extra pow pool and that doesnt really require any artifacts, even SI template would do for that

But if you intend on soloing alot or run in good fg´s a good arti template would help, not in killing only but also getting grps

 

[Sarnat]

We didnt have that much trouble with our group... usually druids can stay out of combat in PvE and mages just stop combat when they are OOP and regenerate. This is for high end encounters. Exp/farm groups are still a lot faster than without FoP pre-ToA.

 

[Evergrey]

..as i understand FoP got nerfed badly in NF right? (in PvE that is). now you can only regen power while not in combat. that would make the pbaoe setup grps impossible to work anymore (always refering to pve)? doesnt this suck or what? i quit playing some time ago and was thinking of coming back to the game...i had it all planned. i have a 50 icewiz but unfortunately when creating the char i totally wasted the points going for strgth, emp charisma etc, and i thought that i could spend some time pling a cler in another account, doing ml5 for fop and then, with the cleric, i could pl another wiz or some other char on the first account, but this aint gonna work anymore i guess. well, i really dont have time to start over again, even from lvl 20, so i dont know if i'll go back to daoc anymore...it's just too difficult for someone that didnt start playing daoc from the beggining to get in track with players that did.

Now what pisses me off is... why give us all this shit and we get use to it, and boom they nerf it, it really sucks... FoP wasnt overpowered, i loved it in PvE... how the fuck can they say that it was an unbalanced ability in PVE? how the fuck can anything be unbalanced in PVE???, the balance lays i´n RvR etc...they should rly do moore efforts looking into the RvR system and shit..whatever ;D

Why do i even bother already left the game

 

[Tractartus]

FoP wasnt overpowered, i loved it in PvE... how the fuck can they say that it was an unbalanced ability in PVE? how the fuck can anything be unbalanced in PVE???

Well, pre-ToA Apocalypse in Caer Sidi took something like an hour to kill with 100 people, post-ToA we killed him within 5 minutes with about 60 people...Obviously not just FoP but it shows the change ToA gave to PvE.

 

[Ballard]

Now what pisses me off is... why give us all this shit and we get use to it, and boom they nerf it, it really sucks... FoP wasnt overpowered, i loved it in PvE... how the fuck can they say that it was an unbalanced ability in PVE? how the fuck can anything be unbalanced in PVE???, the balance lays i´n RvR etc...they should rly do moore efforts looking into the RvR system and shit..whatever ;D

Why do i even bother already left the game

Slow down breath a little and think before you post.

It was incredibly overpowered in Pve. 2-3 animists or pbaoe with tanks could clear out hordes of tough mobs non stop. there was supposed to be a challenge in Pve. There was very little with fop and any caster group. Healers could also heal with near impunity if there was 2 healers in the grp becase there was always another healer spamming spreads. Now they need to avoid getting aggro else they will very quickly run out of power.

 

[Thorwyn]

That´s all true, but then, FoP should´ve never made it through testing. The impact of FoP on PvE wasn´t that hard to spot, especially with pbaoe groups allready being a considerable PL setup in pre-ToA times.

 

[Gear]

Fop is still great. I PL/Farm with my animist and my fop-bard without any problems. Downtime is minimal, also I make sure that I shroom before engaging into combat. I don't know how it can work for PB groups apart from minimizing downtime but it still helps an ani. Also don't forget that healers still benefit from it.

 

[Funkybunny]

in AC fop / ice is always wanted/needed so even though its nerfed its no problem.. so go with the plan m8.. you wont regret

p.s. most ac grps also accepts ice/leech, pala/leech so you dont have to go waiting for ml5 before ye can start pl'ing

 

[Owl]

in AC fop / ice is always wanted/needed so even though its nerfed its no problem.. so go with the plan m8.. you wont regret

p.s. most ac grps also accepts ice/leech, pala/leech

i know...i just think it's gonna take me ages now to get 2 chars to 50. and i even heard that now that the game is pretty tough regarding memory and CPU usage, it's kind of a problem running 2 accounts at the same time. is that true?

 

[Funkybunny]

i know...i just think it's gonna take me ages now to get 2 chars to 50. and i even heard that now that the game is pretty tough regarding memory and CPU usage, it's kind of a problem running 2 accounts at the same time. is that true?

well.. /clientsleep background is nice though.. but just pl a pala on acc 2 with yer ice or pl a ice on acc 2 with yer ice... shouldnt really matter whatcha wanna do on acc 2 as long as you use yer icewiz on acc1 as the "get in free"ticket..

 

[Helme]

i know...i just think it's gonna take me ages now to get 2 chars to 50.

It didn't take ages before, sure 1 day more but thats not ages. It was done pre-toa it can be done again.

 

[Ctuchik]

i know...i just think it's gonna take me ages now to get 2 chars to 50. and i even heard that now that the game is pretty tough regarding memory and CPU usage, it's kind of a problem running 2 accounts at the same time. is that true?

if leveling to 50 is such a pain, then why even thinking returning to the game?

i only have 1 lvl 50 and it took me 40:ish days /played to get him there. now im working on one healer and one thane (both lvl 40/42) and they both have some 30+ days played each..

but seriously mate. if u have such doubts about returning just because FoP got alittle less "uber" then i dont think it would be worth it... if playing the game only for the "must get next toon to lvl 50 yesterday" then ur missing the entire point

ans yes. running 2 ToA clients can be a tad hard if u dont have a top notch PC. but with the clientsleep command it isnt THAT bad...

 

[Jaem-]

in AC fop / ice is always wanted/needed so even though its nerfed its no problem.. so go with the plan m8.. you wont regret

p.s. most ac grps also accepts ice/leech, pala/leech so you dont have to go waiting for ml5 before ye can start pl'ing

Each time I've logged in with a char to try and get a group, /who city shows around 41, wheres /who city 40 49 shows me theres only 2-4 people actualy leveling proper. Its all level50's doing arties or pl'ing lowbies.

Its been the same over 4 nights now around 17:00 - 19:00 gmt.