The cooldown between changing realms after clustering...

[Ctuchik]

Ok. i will probably get alot of flames, bitching and whatnot from ppl that isnt bright enough to come up with a decent argument, but i dont really care, and i dont care if its been posted before coz i'm to tired to shift through 400 posts with the word cooldown and clustering in them.


SO! basicly i'd like to know the USE of this 1 hour cooldown that GOA feels is so important to have, yes i know the REASON behind it but i totally fail to see its USE.

those ppl who WANT to x-realm/spy WILL x-realm/spy no matter what GOA/Mythic does/says about it. (yeah i love the "/" sign )

but anyway. somwhere amoung the flaming and bitching and general aggro posts on this forum someone said its because to prevent certain individuals from doing whats against the spirit of the game, IE crossrealming spying whatever.

the problem is that they will do it anyway. hell GOA can put a 2 YEAR cooldown and they still do it. mainly because 99% of the rvr ppl have 2, 3, 4+ accounts and a SHITLOAD of alts SO, spying or crossrealming will be no problem whatsoever for those ppl that feel the need to do so.

SO! Why on earth should WE that only have ONE account suffer for the stupidity of a VAST minority's behaviour?

the ONLY reason why GOA didnt go for the 8 hour cooldown is because they would probably loose twice the ammount of ppl in /quits then the ammount of ppl that would return. and ppl are STILL leaving because of this cooldown (mostly rerolling on US where they atleast can play on multiple servers without having to wait a hour between the change of realm.

i'm playing multiple MMORPG's where u can play on all the sides on the same server with no restrictions. and afaik, Mythic is the only company that feels that we cant play fair without them telling us how we should play (generally speaking in this case).

there is absolutly NO justification to have this 1 hour "cooldown" before u can change realm.
ok 1 hour doesent seem very much. but its still a 1 hour wait if u get a PM on MSN telling u that ur other realm guild is gonna go on a 2 second notice PvE raid and wants u to come. and if theres more then 1 person thats waiting the entire raid might fall apart before it even started coz sitting and just waiting for something, if only for 1 hour DOES hurt.


SO, the cheaters will cheat no matter what, GOA/Mythic isnt even making it a *little* bit harder as they surley got multiple accounts anyway...


/rant over. but please try to keep it atleast as civil *cough* as i tried to make it

 

[- English -]

they have to do _something_ so it looks like they give a rats ass about this game still

yup im whining about warlocks and banshees

 

[Brite]

yeh but will GOA listen to there customers ? i highly doubt it

just like with all the crashes to desktop affecting everyone, fingers in ears LALALALALALA hope it goes away

 

[cemi0]

I think theres some truth in what you say. But the cooldown will surely prevent some guys who else would have done it from doing it.

 

[Azathrim]

Uhm...

Considering how much you flame and show hostility in this post, I am surprised to see you hope people will keep flames away.

Anyways, a few points on the subject:

1) You appear to be of the oppinion that it's "RvR guilds" that cross-realm. I get the feeling that's a claim based on inability to participate instead of any real knowledge. The one time I have seen real cross-realming, was in a former guild of mine (that ain't around anymore). It was what you could call a casual player whom I doubt had a char above RR5. Ofcourse, now he doesn't have a char anymore at all... Personally I think all types of players could cross-realm. Casual, Competitive, Roleplayer ... you name it. It really boils down to the circumstances.

2) Mythic originally made the cooldown to 8 hours. The thought was, that this allowed people to pick their realm for the day - but next day they could pick another. GoA is abit more lenient. You can actually play on one realm, go have dinner and play another realm. Personally I think that's very fair considering our limited choise of servers here in Europe.

3) Now... you specificly asks for the 'USE' of this cool down. My guess is, that it's to prevent a situation where people log on to different realms purely to see if there happens to be a huge zerg (by use of /who) in a particular zone. This way, the quick/easy spying is limited slightly. You can't just do this on a regular basis to check if anything is going on that might be of interest for doing a relic raid.

 

[Bahumat]

i think the 1 hour cooldown is a dumb idea, what if excal goes down....you wait an hour so you can then go on pryd.....yeah everyones gonna love that.

i spose im lucky, if im on excal then want to go on pryd i can simply play camlann for a while then switch over.

not everyone has that option tho :*(

 

[Zlugugg Benvis]

As thread starter pointed out many players have more then 1 account BUT I believe many of them has the same realm on the servers (me for example with 2 accs atm 2 x Mid Pryd and 2 x Hib Exc). I feel sorry for the innocent people who gets a bit shafted by the 1 hour wait but think its worth it to prevent at least some of the "cheaters" from spoiling the fun.

 

[Flimgoblin]

i think the 1 hour cooldown is a dumb idea, what if excal goes down....you wait an hour so you can then go on pryd.....yeah everyones gonna love that.

i spose im lucky, if im on excal then want to go on pryd i can simply play camlann for a while then switch over.

not everyone has that option tho :*(

after clustering if excal is down pryd will be down.

(there might be cases where only some zones crash like ToA going down or whatever but that'll result in the whole cluster being rebooted like before).

the 1 hour cooldown is so you don't go kill someone in RvR and seconds later have them /sending you abuse (ala camlann) along with an hour in between making it much harder to go "Ooh, a relic raid, I'll stop playing my alt and go back to <realmZ> where my main char is then". Keeps honest people honest. It won't stop a determined cheater of course.

It's a good thing. People have to choose which realm they're playing in (even if you have 2 accounts one of them is going to be a buffbot and logged onto the same realm) of an evening.

 

[Causes_Chaos]

I'll make a warlock on PvP inbetween the switching time... 8 hours was a bit dumb... atelast some one at GOA HQ had sense to change it!

 

[Belomar]

Flimgoblin pretty much summed up the reasoning behind it.

 

[Thorwyn]

Just because people are "doing it anyways" doesn´t mean it should be legalized. You´re not leaving your house open, saying "if people want to rob me, they´re gonna do it anyways".

That´s a similar approach to cheating... just because people are using cheats doesn´t mean they should be allowed.

 

[Helme]

Id guess its to stop the realmhoppers in our case, people who can't take the beating switching over to the winning side if the odds turns. Saw it on Gorre, after the albs took the relics hibs and mids were seriously underpopulated for 3-4 days because none finds it fun loosing when you can win by just relogging.

 

[Shanaia]

You all knew this when the voting came up .. twice .. no-one cared to mention it then .. I bet you all voted for clustering .. and if you didn't you sure didn't bring this up before either of the votes to get people to change their opinions about clustering...

What's left?

You whine therefor you are.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Id prefer the 8 hour lockout, like Thorwyn[B&Q] said, youll get those who just think "Ill join the winning side" and screw over the lesser realm.

Watch for Albion wtfpwning everything as every excal mid/hib runs to Alb pryd and rolls a necro to PL ready for clustering.

I voted for clustering, and in esseance, Im all for the idea, but this cooloff time is supposed to protect the realms from imbalance, and 1 hour I think will see more whines on here than ever before.

Then the xrealming thing too, suddenly there will be "I was 1fg+1fg with some RL m8s, piss off adding asshole!" crap, this I can see from some people and guilds.

1 hour just aint enough, period!

 

[old.Whoodoo]

You all knew this when the voting came up .. twice .. no-one cared to mention it then .. I bet you all voted for clustering .. and if you didn't you sure didn't bring this up before either of the votes to get people to change their opinions about clustering...

There was no vote on the cooloff timer, that came afterwards afaik, but I think should be something to be voted on, rather than implimented and later changed, like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted...

 

[Belomar]

You all knew this when the voting came up .. twice .. no-one cared to mention it then .. I bet you all voted for clustering .. and if you didn't you sure didn't bring this up before either of the votes to get people to change their opinions about clustering...

Yes, Shanaia, we know that you are bitter about the results of the clustering poll, but please, what makes you think that the people complaining about the cooldown in this thread actually voted yes for clustering in the first place? That's right, they eventually adapted to the idea of the servers being clustered (as you should) and now instead try to put forward their arguments to lessen the impact of clustering on their own playstyle. And yes, the cooldown was up to discussion back then as well (although not voted on), and it was generally felt that the change from 8 to 1 hour of cooldown was a good thing for the European servers. It was all part of the deal that we voted on, GOA did not try to hide this fact, but were very upfront with the consequences clustering would have on the servers.

Honestly, you whine just as much as the people you like to accuse of whining.

 

[Flimgoblin]

looking at the gank group numbers there'll be far more in mid/hib than in alb whoodoo so I'm not so sure it'll be a mass exodus to albion.

 

[Shanaia]

There was no vote on the cooloff timer, that came afterwards afaik, but I think should be something to be voted on, rather than implimented and later changed, like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted...

nope when the clustering votes were up there were extensive explenations of the cooldown .. so if you voted for then you also voted for the 1 hour cooldown as it was part of the package

 

[Shanaia]

Yes, Shanaia, we know that you are bitter about the results of the clustering poll,

Bullshit my dear Belomar ... I'm not bitter about the results I'm one of the people that just plays 1 realm on 1 server ... I'm one of the people that's least effected by the negative sides and most by the positive sides... I look forward to meeting some of the Excal guys since they don't know yet what a basterd I am so maybe some will want to be my friend... untill they realise the truth as well

but please, what makes you think that the people complaining about the cooldown in this thread actually voted yes for clustering in the first place? That's right, they eventually adapted to the idea of the servers being clustered (as you should) and now instead try to put forward their arguments to lessen the impact of clustering on their own playstyle. And yes, the cooldown was up to discussion back then as well (although not voted on), and it was generally felt that the change from 8 to 1 hour of cooldown was a good thing for the European servers. It was all part of the deal that we voted on, GOA did not try to hide this fact, but were very upfront with the consequences clustering would have on the servers.

All I'm saying is that these people could have brought this up when the voting was up .. when things were still influencable (is that a word?)... they didn't .. the vote went by ... and we get clustering .. including the 1 hour cooldown that was part of the package all along..

Honestly, you whine just as much as the people you like to accuse of whining.

Can't deny that tbh

 

[judas]

the cooldown timer sucks.it ruins the game for most ppl and the problem with x-realming aint such a big problem anyway(and wont be even if some ppl join their "mains" realm when there is a rr or such) relics/keeps/towers will be lost and can be taken back even if ppl "x-realm".
I want to be abel to play for example hib during the days and when my guild on the other realm got a full fg up i want to instantly be abel to log onto that side and play, not wait 1hour loose my spot in the group and having the rest of the evening ruined thanks to some stupid timer.

Clustering is a good thing both to rvr and mostly to pve but the timer ruins allot.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

the cooldown timer sucks.it ruins the game for most ppl and the problem with x-realming aint such a big problem anyway(and wont be even if some ppl join their "mains" realm when there is a rr or such) relics/keeps/towers will be lost and can be taken back even if ppl "x-realm".
I want to be abel to play for example hib during the days and when my guild on the other realm got a full fg up i want to instantly be abel to log onto that side and play, not wait 1hour loose my spot in the group and having the rest of the evening ruined thanks to some stupid timer.

Clustering is a good thing both to rvr and mostly to pve but the timer ruins allot.

Dont really think you have thought clustering through tbh, the issue that concerns most is x-realming and balance in numbers.

Flim, I hope you are right, but I do wonder how the new system will balance the underpopulated thing we have now, the way I think it will go, he who has relic will get the backing, once one realm becomes dominant, I see it staying that way, time will tell.

Shan, yes I did read the poll, and knew about GOAs plans for 1 hour cool off, but I voted for clustering as I wanted it, so the issue of the timer wasnt a consideration as we were not given that choice. Perhaps we could ask GOA nicely for a vote on that as a seperate issue?

 

[Venomis]

Many IRL friends just call each other and tell to eachother were r the enemys... very easy... cba buy a new acc just to look where r the enemys just call ur friend and u get all the info what u need.... and it is a big laugh with IRL friend

 

[Ctuchik]

Uhm...

Considering how much you flame and show hostility in this post, I am surprised to see you hope people will keep flames away.

Anyways, a few points on the subject:

1) You appear to be of the oppinion that it's "RvR guilds" that cross-realm.

no i never said that. and i didnt meant to it to sound like it either.

i was just pointing out that the people with multiple account -and theres alot of pve folks with multiple accounts to- wasent gonna "suffer" from this cooldown if they really WANTED to be a arse and spy/crossrealm/whatever. in no way was it intended at any group in particular.

2) Mythic originally made the cooldown to 8 hours. The thought was, that this allowed people to pick their realm for the day - but next day they could pick another. GoA is abit more lenient. You can actually play on one realm, go have dinner and play another realm. Personally I think that's very fair considering our limited choise of servers here in Europe.

i think that is because they HAVE to, not because of "goodwill" atleast not as much as it looks like

3) Now... you specificly asks for the 'USE' of this cool down. My guess is, that it's to prevent a situation where people log on to different realms purely to see if there happens to be a huge zerg (by use of /who) in a particular zone. This way, the quick/easy spying is limited slightly. You can't just do this on a regular basis to check if anything is going on that might be of interest for doing a relic raid.

they can do that anyway if they got multple accounts, so i still fail to see the use of this

and yes it DID come out more on the flamish side then i was intending, but thats why i added the last line in my post, including the *cough*

 

[Ctuchik]

after clustering if excal is down pryd will be down.

(there might be cases where only some zones crash like ToA going down or whatever but that'll result in the whole cluster being rebooted like before).

the 1 hour cooldown is so you don't go kill someone in RvR and seconds later have them /sending you abuse (ala camlann) along with an hour in between making it much harder to go "Ooh, a relic raid, I'll stop playing my alt and go back to <realmZ> where my main char is then". Keeps honest people honest. It won't stop a determined cheater of course.

It's a good thing. People have to choose which realm they're playing in (even if you have 2 accounts one of them is going to be a buffbot and logged onto the same realm) of an evening.

and again, why is Mythic the only MMORPG developer that is worried about spy's and whatnot when it comes to playing more then one side on the same server? no other game i play have this, and still ppl play fair. yes there will always be cheaters. but this wont stop them! but it WILL stop the non cheaters ferther from not be able to play a alt on one "server" and then logging on to the other for a pve raid or whatever. yes there could be a moral problem with RR's and such. but i honestly believe that this cooldown isnt gonna change anything anyway. as u said, "it won't stop a determined cheater anyway".

 

[Ctuchik]

Just because people are "doing it anyways" doesn´t mean it should be legalized. You´re not leaving your house open, saying "if people want to rob me, they´re gonna do it anyways".

That´s a similar approach to cheating... just because people are using cheats doesn´t mean they should be allowed.

who said anything about allowing cheats? i certainly didnt. i'm just saying that this cooldown -be it the 1 hour here or the 8 hour on US servers- only hurt those that have alts on the other side but will probably not "dare" to play them because they might miss something with their main if they do.

 

[Ctuchik]

You all knew this when the voting came up .. twice .. no-one cared to mention it then .. I bet you all voted for clustering .. and if you didn't you sure didn't bring this up before either of the votes to get people to change their opinions about clustering...

What's left?

You whine therefor you are.

no, i didnt vote yes, i voted no. but with only owning 1 account i cant really compete with the rvr "freaks" that were voting yes with every account they had

 

[Thorwyn]

who said anything about allowing cheats? i certainly didnt. i'm just saying that this cooldown -be it the 1 hour here or the 8 hour on US servers- only hurt those that have alts on the other side but will probably not "dare" to play them because they might miss something with their main if they do.

I was just expanding your point about "cheaters will cheat and x-realm anyways" and your implication to just let them (since we can´t stop them anyways). All kinds of rules and restrictions always hurt innocent people as well. That´s just how it is. However, I still think that there´s more benefit of a chillout hour than we would gain the other way round.

 

[Ctuchik]

All kinds of rules and restrictions always hurt innocent people as well.

yes, but in this specific case this rule and restriction is only hurting the ppl that isnt cheating in the first place

 

[Chronictank]

seeing as 2 servers are now 1, does that mean GOA now can give us a 3rd eng server?
:d

if we were given another server i dont mind a 8 hr lockdown

 

[Urme the Legend]

and again, why is Mythic the only MMORPG developer that is worried about spy's and whatnot when it comes to playing more then one side on the same server? no other game i play have this, and still ppl play fair. yes there will always be cheaters. but this wont stop them! but it WILL stop the non cheaters ferther from not be able to play a alt on one "server" and then logging on to the other for a pve raid or whatever. yes there could be a moral problem with RR's and such. but i honestly believe that this cooldown isnt gonna change anything anyway. as u said, "it won't stop a determined cheater anyway".

One word - WoW got the same system.. you play either Alliance or Horde.. not both on the PvP servers for example. It's the best solution.

You play either Midgard, Hibernia OR Albion in a keeptake for example.. it would be silly if you could change side just because you want to play on the winning side all the time.

My suggestion to you... go and buy a second/third or whatever account and you will not have that problem