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BBC News - BT ordered to block pirate links

A High Court judge has ruled that BT must block access to a website which provides links to pirated movies.

Newzbin 2 is a members-only site which aggregates a large amount of the illegally copied material found on Usenet discussion forums.

The landmark case is the first time that an ISP has been ordered to block access to such a site.

It paves the way for other sites to be blocked as part of a major crackdown on piracy.

In his ruling, Justice Arnold stated: "In my judgment it follows that BT has actual knowledge of other persons using its service to infringe copyright: it knows that the users and operators of Newbin2 infringe copyright on a large scale, and in particular infringe the copyrights of the Studios in large numbers of their films and television programmes."

He continued: "It knows that the users of Newzbin2 include BT subscribers, and it knows those users use its service to receive infringing copies of copyright works made available to them by Newzbin2."
Creative victory

The Motion Picture Association, which represents a number of movie studios including Warner, Disney and Fox, launched the legal action as a last-ditch attempt to close down Newzbin 2.

Chris Marcich, President and Managing Director (EMEA), MPA said: "This ruling from Justice Arnold is a victory for millions of people working in the UK creative industries and demonstrates that the law of the land must apply online.

This court action was never an attack on ISPs but we do need their co-operation to deal with the Newzbin site which continually tries to evade the law and judicial sanction. Newzbin is a notorious pirate website which makes hundreds of thousands of copyrighted products available without permission and with no regard for the law."

MPA signalled its intention to pursue other ISPs.

Link sites such as Newzbin are gaining popularity as those determined to get their hands on free content move away from traditional peer-to-peer downloading methods.

A previous court case had ruled that Newzbin 2's predecessor must stop linking to free content but a new version of the site was set up outside of the UK's jurisdiction.
Revenge attacks

The judge ruled that BT must use its blocking technology CleanFeed - which is currently used to prevent access to websites featuring child sexual abuse - to block Newzbin.

In an e-mail interview before the verdict, Newzbin 2 threatened to break BT's filters.

"We would be appalled if any group were to try to sabotage this technology as it helps to protect the innocent from highly offensive and illegal content," said a spokesman for BT.

The Internet Service Providers' Association has been a fierce critic of web blocking.

It said that using blocking technology, designed to protect the public from images of child abuse, was inappropriate.

"Currently CleanFeed is dealing with a small, rural road in Scotland," ISPA council member James Blessing told BBC Radio 4's PM programme.

"Trying to put Newzbin and other sites into the same blocking technology would be a bit like shutting down the M1. It is not designed to do that."
Disconnection

The crackdown on piracy has gained new urgency in recent months.

Pressure from rightsholders forced new legislation on the issue.

The UK's controversial Digital Economy Act makes provisions for tough action against those who downloading pirated music and films - initially sanctioning a letter-writing campaign asking them to desist.

BT and TalkTalk called for a judicial review of the DEA, saying the legislation was rushed through parliament and was unenforceable but a judge ruled that it could go ahead.

Court action could be taken against individuals who ignore written warnings and 'technical measures' including disconnecting someone from the web could also follow.

The government is also considering the feasibility of more widespread site blocking.
 

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how many minutes after this takes effect before some sort of mirror site is set up?

seems kinda pointless
 

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the internet is faster than law, you'll never stop the hardcore infringers.
 

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Can't fight piracy, pointless waste of resources. Should reward paying customers with bonus stuff.

Cheaper, more rewarding and would remove a % of piracy from the group that feels the product isn't worth the money.

In a nutshell; bring back "Thank you for purchasing our product."
 

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Won't make a jot of difference. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of t'internet will just use a proxy site.
 

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Trying to stop pirates is pointless, 50 more sites always appear every time one is taken offline. Also it's actually bad for business!

Pirates are the best consumers

The conclusion of the study is that movie pirates are generally more interested in film and therefore spend more money and invest more time in it. In other words, they make up some of the movie industries best customers.

Unfortunately, we will never get to read the official version of the study as the unnamed client who paid for it to be created has decided it should not see a release. The reason given for shelving it was that the contents proved “unpleasant.”
 

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unfortunately it seems the people who make these decisions are not the most internet savvy

but it will take a lot of time before they decide to change their business model, i mean they are still making lots of money on movies and music despite the piracy, they are simply not making quite as much as before :p (and our hearts bleed :p )
 

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Can't say I'm worried. There will always be a way around any obstacles they try to put in the path of pirates. I think people too quickly forget that pirating isn't a new phenomenon, it is just easier with the internet and thereby more widespread and obvious.
 

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£8 to watch a film at my local cinema. Food and drink is extortionate. No ushers, nobody in the theatre to kick idiots out. Volume is always too high.

Fuck that. I'd happily pay a couple of quid to watch a film at home, but instead the film industry would rather I wait months for a DVD, on which are placed advertisements I can't skip past, and obligatory "PIRACY IS BAD MKAY" notices that I also can't skip past.

Meanwhile I can torrent the HD version of a film in a few hours, and watch it whenever I like. No ads, no piracy crap. Which product do they think I'm going to choose?
 

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ppl still use newbin? Everything is P2P nowadays combined with fast http links like RS / Mega upload etc, they will never block that.
 

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hehe it always bugs me that when you buy a DVD, from a shop, perfectly legally, you have to sit through all the "PIRACY IS THEFT YOU WOULDNT STEAL A HAND BAG HUH HUH HUH THIEEEEF!" crap

why am i being treated like a criminal when i have actually paid for the product? i can understand copy protection to a certain degree (dont agree with the spyware crap that came with some CDs a few years ago) but why make life more difficult for your actual customers?
 

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£8 to watch a film at my local cinema. Food and drink is extortionate. No ushers, nobody in the theatre to kick idiots out. Volume is always too high.

Fuck that. I'd happily pay a couple of quid to watch a film at home, but instead the film industry would rather I wait months for a DVD, on which are placed advertisements I can't skip past, and obligatory "PIRACY IS BAD MKAY" notices that I also can't skip past.

Meanwhile I can torrent the HD version of a film in a few hours, and watch it whenever I like. No ads, no piracy crap. Which product do they think I'm going to choose?

I pretty much agree. Good customers are regularly being pissed off with all you just said.
 

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We had exactly the same discussion on FH Irc about 3 weeks ago. Unanimously agreed that we would pay a nominal fee to have instant download access to new films on the day of cinema release.

Fact is most new films are on the net via newsgroups or file dump sites the day after they are released and banning Newzbin wont stop it.

Truth is film companies and their minions are so short sighted about the viability of making new films available for download and so intent that they can carry on trying to stop piracy that they cant see the additional profit they could make.
 

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We had exactly the same discussion on FH Irc about 3 weeks ago. Unanimously agreed that we would pay a nominal fee to have instant download access to new films on the day of cinema release.

Fact is most new films are on the net via newsgroups or file dump sites the day after they are released and banning Newzbin wont stop it.

Truth is film companies and their minions are so short sighted about the viability of making new films available for download and so intent that they can carry on trying to stop piracy that they cant see the additional profit they could make.

Some films do actually get this now - Benjamin Sniddlegrass and the Cauldron of Penguins actually had an internet release at same time as the cinema :)
 

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Truth is film companies and their minions are so short sighted about the viability of making new films available for download and so intent that they can carry on trying to stop piracy that they cant see the additional profit they could make.


No, they know that downloads would work better.

What they are really against is that by doing so, a whole crapload of them would get sacked because they would have nothing to do.

So in reality they are probably trying to keep their jobs... :)
 

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I don't get this...Newzbin2 is a resource which can be used to locate and download copyright-infringing material. That bit I get, but surely Google, Bing, Facebook, Twitter and for that matter every single ISP in existence is the same.

I'm presuming the benchmark is whether the judge believes that a resource has legitimate uses which outweigh the copyright-infringement issues. Still, I expect this ban to be as effective as most internet regulation.

I'm also not sure that "break BTs filters" means what the spokesperson thinks it means.
 

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im assuming they are counting on groups like Lulzsec will target filter systems they deem "unfair"

currently they are mostly left alone because they block things like child porn and frankly the majority of internet users are unaffected by it (because we dont look at child porn!)
 

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I find this amusing really, these people are clearly so stupid they genuinely don't realise you can't ever stop piracy... the time it takes them to get 1 website taken down 100 more could have easily taken their place.
 

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currently they are mostly left alone because they block things like child porn and frankly the majority of internet users are unaffected by it (because we dont look at child porn!)

I have proxies or tor for that kind of .... oh wait ;)

Seriously though, anyone with the slightest technical know how (like your typical pirate) can easily get around some simple filtering or just use one of the many other websites, torrents or applications to download files.
 

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On a completely unrelated matter Captain America is rather good......
 

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I will quote a friend of mine from another forum, something which sums it up entirely, aimed @ MPAA/RIAA/Whoever else:

"Piracy should not be seen as a threat. Instead, it should be seen as a flaw in your business model that needs fixing."
 

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currently they are mostly left alone because they block things like child porn and frankly the majority of internet users are unaffected by it (because we dont look at child porn!)

Considering the thousands who have been nicked for child porn it doesnt seem very effective...
 

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I think they've used it as a test case. Using an easy target first allows them to set a legal precedent. Now they can start taking aim at the bigger sites with much less fuss and to-do.

Edit: Just read page 1 of the thread. Already been covered!
 

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The film and TV industries have been stagnant for years, its well past time for them to actually give the customer what they want. Streamed movies for a few quid a time. I like lovefilm but again I can only watch things when they are released on disk.
Going to the cinema is usually a horrible experience. Over priced tickets, uncomfortable seats, surrounded by people who would rather talk than just stfu and watch the film, shitty sound and picture quality (at least at every cinema in Northampton) because they don't bother looking after their equipment.

and they really wonder why people pirate?
 

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The film and TV industries have been stagnant for years, its well past time for them to actually give the customer what they want. Streamed movies for a few quid a time. I like lovefilm but again I can only watch things when they are released on disk.
Going to the cinema is usually a horrible experience. Over priced tickets, uncomfortable seats, surrounded by people who would rather talk than just stfu and watch the film, shitty sound and picture quality (at least at every cinema in Northampton) because they don't bother looking after their equipment.

and they really wonder why people pirate?

Plus of course there are a lot of films that simply do not need a 300ft Gigascreen with 500-channel Megasound that makes your eyeballs vibrate. I paid good money to see Thor in a cinema and I wish I'd caught Avatar when it was out, but the average RomCom, Teen flick or horror movie just doesn't need that level of experience and in fact watching with loved ones in an intimate environment is probably a better and more fulfilling experience.

 

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