Thane Stormcalling potentially being Reworked as part of 1.65

[Solid]

Feedback from the TL Coordinator to the (recently retired) Thane TL yesterday

Mythic have finally Aknowledged that thanes have a serious problem in Rvr competitiveness and are looking to totally rework the Stormcalling Line.

ON a side note they have said they see no problems currently with the Thane's Melee capability which i Think is ridiculous considering:

Thanes are on the Rogue/Healer Weaponskill and HP Table when their direct counterparts (Paladin, Reaver, Champion) are all on the Hybrid Tank weaponskill/HP table

Still, lets see what 1.65 holds, its at least 6 months away from EU, and I think its gonna be too late for most EU players, but never say never

 

[old.willowywicca]

Best of luck to all you (few) remaining thanes, hope they make SC into something nice

 

[Flimgoblin]

damnit I want to get my thane RvR group out there first before they become fotm or something

 

[Jonaldo]

Then we get to make thane whine threads

NERF THANES!!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Flim, Thanes have always been fodder of the month.

<Runs away before Solid can hit him>

EDIT: Oh btw gratz I believe are in order Flim. Well done the man that breaks the mould by having a neck

 

[Gewny]

solid as I wrote on Catacombs forums :

I think Mytich is thinking (or are beginning to think) of Thanes as "caster in chains" instead for "warriorer with sparkles".

We have to wait and se what 1.65 (and maybe the one after that) brings. Maybe (I just say maybe mark my words) u will get spell power enugh to compensate for those weap/hp tables ure on.

(and if I know Mythic right they always nerf/luv with a sledge hammer, maybe Thane 15min of glory is comming ?


Disclaimer : The last statement I dont belive even myself

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

GIV THANE LOVAGE!!!!1!!!111! For way too long we have been lacking, bout time we got a lil luv, the recent changes have been nice, but still make us sucky.

Heres to hoping!

 

[old.azorius]

I want Insta-Hammerz too be honest

This does sound slightly encouraging, I might have to give up my small holding in Uppland and come out of retirement.

Then again, the wife does make fine pies.

Cheers

Azo

 

[SilverHood]

only about a year too late

bet we get like, 2 new spells, and a lower power cost for our spells (say, 10%)

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
EDIT: Oh btw gratz I believe are in order Flim. Well done the man that breaks the mould by having a neck

??

 

[SilverHood]

just read the actual feedback

what a load of tosh

we looked into making some minor changes to thane spells to try and address the issues with the class. What we found is that we really need to do a full review of all the Thane spells to make them more compatible with DAOC of today. We're hoping to get some or all of these changes into 1.65.

Changing all the spells won't matter F-ALL if we're not alive to use them:

On getting our self buff upped to the same level as the champions: (a lurikeen champion selfbuffed has more HP than a troll thane selfbuffed.... BS all the way)

We've spent a lot of time since the last report looking over the Thane. We don't feel this change will address the Thanes issues, so we're not planning on adding it at this time.

We still do not believe giving thanes Evade 1 is the answer to the problems. No plans to add it in the near future

Gewny, i think you said it all:
"I think Mytich is thinking (or are beginning to think) of Thanes as "caster in chains" instead for "warriorer with sparkles"."

Wouldn't be like Mythic to give us the choice, eh?

 

[IronlungDTP]

Originally posted by Solid


....looking to totally rework the Stormcalling Line.

They'll probably just change the colour of the hammers...

 

[old.yaruar]

finally....

I <3 my thane and keep playing because I genuinely like playing it. Although I only RvR with guildies as no one else in their right mind puts a thane in a group.

Hopefully they will rework sc completely to actually make it useable. At least then it would balance out our weak meelee capability.

Simple things such as giving our Hammers of Lag something like a stun component would go a long way to making the class more RvR friendly (or even upping the damage so it does more than scratch the average opponent.

Possibly looking at giving more self buffs apart from the weak st/con buff, something possibly more unique that can't be replicated by any high lvl aug specialist.

Maybe a lightening themed self damage shield (with possibilities of a group based damage shield to increase group viability in the RvR scene)
Or change the insta to a lifetap which might give us more survivability in rvr.
Or simply allowing our self buff to stack and to allow our damage add to sit on a different table to all others so there is no drop off when stacking damage adds (or maybe change it from a damage add to a proc with a decent level of damage where we can actually specify the type of proc)

There are a lot of things which can be done to actually make thanes viable. looking at all the stats on thanes played they are totally underplayed and totally underpowered in all but specific circumstances (good in pve on the whole and great when dueling, but duels aren't rvr...)

 

[SilverHood]

just get us off the rogue tables, evade 1 and lower spell costs by 30% / (or) increase damage by 30%

sorted

 

[Flimgoblin]

Tangent:
*waves to Yaruar*

did you like our guild carpet?
Sorry we all died to the guards before you could join in and get some RP

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Tangent:
*waves to Yaruar*

did you like our guild carpet?
Sorry we all died to the guards before you could join in and get some RP

He he, yeah.. gits, I got one insta in and that was resisted... Everytime I targeted someone they were 2 shotted by the guards ;-)

See thanes are so gimpy they can't even get a hit in on a defenceless group ;-)

 

[Nonnier]

good news!

i may actually start playing my thane then, not that i expect much changes to happen.

i admit making the DD castable was a good move, however the power usage on insta is stupid and needs to be lowered.

still, could be promising

 

[Jonaldo]

Just give Thanes insta-pets in Stormcalling line

 

[svartmetall]

Originally posted by old.yaruar
(good in pve on the whole and great when dueling, but duels aren't rvr...)

The only duel I've lost since dinging 50 is to a Thane (Jirann)...

 

[kalgarn]

givf FOTM thanes

 

[SilverHood]

Originally posted by kalgarn
givf FOTM thanes

hehe, can just imagine seeing a group of 5 thanes, a healer, a shaman, a skald and a buff bot at he Portal keep in emain....

I mean???? 5 thanes in emain?

 

[Jonaldo]

I remember a time when there were more than 5 thanes in emain.
Of course I was more afraid of Thing, Death and Blood back then

 

[liste]

from memory, mids was 30% thanes, 30% shamans, 30% hunters and 10% mixed, in 1.36

 

[SilverHood]

ofc, thanes and their hammers and chain castable stun.... on green con albs... i mean? wtfpwned!!!1!1!11

 

[Wij]

Give Thanes lifetap

 

[brite]

Originally posted by Wij
Give Thanes lifetap

its not worth the whines you will get...

well i lie it is BUWHAHHAHA



givf thanes insta break mezz and lag everybody to death !

 

[uma_thurman]

If Mythic thinks that thanes are casters in chain, then keep them on the rogue hp table, but make their spells more than tickle. You cannot compare thanes to champions in this respect as the champ does not have a castable DD and therefore should be stronger in melee to compensate. Saying that, with the exception of BDS, all casters need some help because of the crazy resists.

As for new spells, a pulsing PBAOE like reavers would be fun and would make the life of an infil more challenging. I dunno why they gave runies the GTAOE when they have plenty of tricks...don't see wehy thanes could not have this instead ("erm Thor pls do me a favour and blast that area over there!"). Perhaps increasing the damage on the castable DD too by 20/30% too.

On a related note, smite clerics were nerfed and then nerfed again by the introduction of SC. Whilst I would not want to see all clerics become smite, certainly the smite line, like the stormcalling line, needs looking at again.

The idea of letting shammie str/con stack with thane self buff is interesting, especially if that means friars can have cleric spec dex/qui stacking with their own self-buff! Yes please!!

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by brite
lag everybody to death !

You mean something like this???


http://nidstang.mine.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=353

edit: oppps perhaps the link will help

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Originally posted by uma_thurman
especially if that means friars can have cleric spec dex/qui stacking with their own self-buff! Yes please!!

No thank you!

 

[Tasans]

As I mentioned in the report feedback, we're looking at the SC line in it's entirety rather then just trying to tweak minor things like power cost or cast time on one spell. We hope to have these changes ready to test on Pendragon as part of 1.65. Remember that this stuff can and may very well change, so please keep that in mind. The important point, which I guess i didn't make clear in the feedback, is that we are aware of the problems Thanes have and we are taking a serious look at them. Beyond that, I can't promise anymore since things can change radically during the development and testing process.

/faints