Thane´s are getting love, now wait... is this a nerf?

[Kallio]

From camelotherald:

Thane

- The power costs on all higher level Thane spells have been adjusted down.

- The values on Thor's Vigor have been increased to be consistent with other spec buffs.

- The radius of the Thunder Shout line has been increased to 300 and the damage adjusted upwards.

- Added the Mystic Crystal Lore ability to the list of Realm abilities Thanes can purchase.

Some love... nothing major changes really, unliek they promised, thanes are as useless as before but... this really catched my eye...

- The radius of the Call Mjollnir line has been increased to 350 and the damage adjusted upwards.

Let the mezzbreaking begin!!!

skalds are also getting their hps upped in the patch, why cant thanes and skalds be on the same hp table? dont they really have any clue how to fix this class?

 

[duact]

we are now even better in pve!!

 

[ardamels]

I was hoping for something more grp friendly...

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by ardamels
I was hoping for something more grp friendly...

me too, even something *new* or interesting... but no... even if they´d up thane DD to RM baseline damge I dont think it would make a change.

 

[duact]

nope, still even if thanes got determination and tank hp savages would be prefared atm. Why dont give thanes a self buff that decreases cc time or somthing or even self only baod

 

[sigh]

give them throwing knifes!

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by duact
nope, still even if thanes got determination and tank hp savages would be prefared atm. Why dont give thanes a self buff that decreases cc time or somthing or even self only baod

that's coz savages are silly and resists are stupid...

 

[old_saxo]

gif Thane , Thor's bladeturn ^^ like a normal bladeturn hehe and somthing new kind of thunder maby a chain lightning whit real go in would be awsome casting it on 1 guy and hitting whole zerg in some sort of nasty way not like the mjolner hammer

 

[legera]

Yeah but

Thane

- 45 Command Mjolliner Damage 163, Rng: 1500, Power 29, Radius 350

Wizard

- 44 Ebullient Blast Damage 158 Rng: 1500, Power 28, Radius 350

Notice anything? Let me help you, its the number after the Damage.

Midgard hybrid has the "potential" to out nuke Albion's primary caster. I reality Wizzies will hit harder due to critical hits, higher stats etc and I rarely use the AE spell but still, it isn't right somehow is it?

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by legera
Yeah but

Thane

- 45 Command Mjolliner Damage 163, Rng: 1500, Power 29, Radius 350

Wizard

- 44 Ebullient Blast Damage 158 Rng: 1500, Power 28, Radius 350

Notice anything? Let me help you, its the number after the Damage.

Midgard hybrid has the "potential" to out nuke Albion's primary caster. I reality Wizzies will hit harder due to critical hits, higher stats etc and I rarely use the AE spell but still, it isn't right somehow is it?

soo.....u want thanes nerfed?

 

[legera]

Originally posted by froler-mid
soo.....u want thanes nerfed?

No I want Wizzies power increased I think you missed the point

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by legera
Yeah but

Thane

- 45 Command Mjolliner Damage 163, Rng: 1500, Power 29, Radius 350

Wizard

- 44 Ebullient Blast Damage 158 Rng: 1500, Power 28, Radius 350

Notice anything? Let me help you, its the number after the Damage.

Midgard hybrid has the "potential" to out nuke Albion's primary caster. I reality Wizzies will hit harder due to critical hits, higher stats etc and I rarely use the AE spell but still, it isn't right somehow is it?

Any AE spell cast in RvR is more like fdree GP to enemy than anything else, we even tried onve with 5 thanes in group but mjollnir just doesnt do enough damage.

Double mjollnir damage imo

and drop insta timer to 10 secs,
and ggive thanes self buff that reduces style end cost
and a mezz reduction self buff(like sorcs).

and ofc Give evade 1 and drop the cost of purge to 4 and IP to 10, and let em get PF.


Oh wait... I think I´m dreaming now

 

[bullyjohn]

Originally posted by Kallio
we even tried onve with 5 thanes in group but mjollnir just doesnt do enough damage.

damn if you dont remember to do the /effects none that must have been really laggy but good looking hehe, hammer spam 4thewin

i say upp the str/con buff they have and give them a vagon with 2 goats infront and let them play thor hehe

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by Kallio
Any AE spell cast in RvR is more like fdree GP to enemy than anything else, we even tried onve with 5 thanes in group but mjollnir just doesnt do enough damage.

Double mjollnir damage imo

and drop insta timer to 10 secs,
and ggive thanes self buff that reduces style end cost
and a mezz reduction self buff(like sorcs).

and ofc Give evade 1 and drop the cost of purge to 4 and IP to 10, and let em get PF.


Oh wait... I think I´m dreaming now

U clearly didn't read enough about ur class before choosing it, u wanna turn it into a completly new class, not adjust the one u got ... next time, research a bit ...

 

[Breni]

Originally posted by legera
Yeah but

Thane

- 45 Command Mjolliner Damage 163, Rng: 1500, Power 29, Radius 350

Wizard

- 44 Ebullient Blast Damage 158 Rng: 1500, Power 28, Radius 350

Notice anything? Let me help you, its the number after the Damage.

Midgard hybrid has the "potential" to out nuke Albion's primary caster. I reality Wizzies will hit harder due to critical hits, higher stats etc and I rarely use the AE spell but still, it isn't right somehow is it?

Intelligence - Primary Caster Stat for Wizards
Piety - Tertiary Stat for Thanes

Being as how higher piety/intelligence helps when casting, I think we can ignore the piddly 5 point difference between Mjollnir and Ebullient Blast, don't you?

 

[ilienwyn]

well, i don't think you would ignore the difference if e.g. reaver dot was higher than shaman (ok, someone give better example)

 

[legera]

Originally posted by Breni
Intelligence - Primary Caster Stat for Wizards
Piety - Tertiary Stat for Thanes

Being as how higher piety/intelligence helps when casting, I think we can ignore the piddly 5 point difference between Mjollnir and Ebullient Blast, don't you?

I did say "I reality Wizzies will hit harder due to.... etc..."

 

[Lumikki]

<cries my heart out>

xx

 

[nalistah]

 

[dakeyras]

Originally posted by duact
nope, still even if thanes got determination and tank hp savages would be prefared atm. Why dont give thanes a self buff that decreases cc time or somthing or even self only baod

Or better still, help all hybrids by reducing Det on pure/light tanks.

Keep Det at 15% per level but only 3 levels at a cost of 3,6,12.

Then reduce key ra costs on Purge and IP for hybrids to 6 and 10. This will help close the huge gulf between hybrids and tanks.

 

[ilienwyn]

Reduce determination to 10% for each point and same cost but cap it at Determination 3. Not necessary to exist over that, it goes too much.
A small reduce on points needed for ip/purge for rest of the tanks wouldn't be bad either.
Also a small reduce in cost of the class specific ras and a fix them that they actually worth getting them for all classes...

 

[zoia]

How about giving all hybrids access to avoid pain and armour of faith.
Reduce pre req to aug con 2 and lower cost from...say...3, 6, 10 to 2, 4, 8.
Would give us something cheap too.

Oh, and nerf determination.

 

[etcetra]

When they said they would rework the SC line i actually thougt they would give us new abilitys.

Not just change the ones we have, and not like the changes are good.

WHAT ABOUT OUR MELEE?! WHAT ABOUT OUR HITS?!
THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THANES! TY!

 

[duact]

Originally posted by etcetra
When they said they would rework the SC line i actually thougt they would give us new abilitys.

Not just change the ones we have, and not like the changes are good.

WHAT ABOUT OUR MELEE?! WHAT ABOUT OUR HITS?!
THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THANES! TY!

no its not its determination

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Kallio
Any AE spell cast in RvR is more like fdree GP to enemy than anything else, we even tried onve with 5 thanes in group but mjollnir just doesnt do enough damage.

Double mjollnir damage imo

and drop insta timer to 10 secs,
and ggive thanes self buff that reduces style end cost
and a mezz reduction self buff(like sorcs).

and ofc Give evade 1 and drop the cost of purge to 4 and IP to 10, and let em get PF.


Oh wait... I think I´m dreaming now

hmm, double their damage for the ae you say? So make it the same as a pbaoe except on range of 1500? The class needs to be FIXED not overpowered.

 

[duact]

Originally posted by kirennia
hmm, double their damage for the ae you say? So make it the same as a pbaoe except on range of 1500? The class needs to be FIXED not overpowered.

mjöllnir is still 4sec casting time fyi

 

[etcetra]

Originally posted by duact
no its not its determination

We wont get det anyway, so if they should fix something about the class its the melee and hits, not the magic.

 

[Novamir]

imo mids should run with full thane groups. think of the huge area damage possibilities with 3 thanes, 3 healers, sham, skald, AS WELL AS HUGE MELEE !!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by zmurf
U clearly didn't read enough about ur class before choosing it, u wanna turn it into a completly new class, not adjust the one u got ... next time, research a bit ...

In case you didnty notice there was *slight* irony

and no, I didnt read much about thanes when I started playing in early 2002, besides when I said that I´m gonna be a thane people said "Good choice!"