Take Irvr out of albion

[Dimse Dut]

Lately the albion rvr attitude has been one of "We wont get help if we try to reclaim our keeps/towers from enemy hands" and the reason given for this lack of help is a wish to have a easely accessable rvr area. For those people who have trouble navigating through enemy country and who like to have a safe place to port to may I suggest that you place those in the ENEMIES frontier? Make once again so that Albs help Albs instead of Albs helping the enemy.

 

[Dafft]

I help the enemy by getting them home quicker

 

[Harthai]

There's no difference where its placed, almost every other week theres a new Irvr area in different realm, and theres rarely attempts for the relics.So either your a roleplayer "For Arthur!!!", or your just plain senseless.

 

[Lyrra]

Don't forget that we albs don't get DF as a result.

Personally I'd rather see each realm holding a keep in foreign frontiers so you can IRVR anywhere.

In Emain albs and mids own 1 keep each
In Odins albs and hibs own 1 keep each
In Hadrians mids and hibs own 1 keep each

You just /rw to see where yo port to for fights.

DF would change hands a lot as you would need a small number (possibly just 1) tower to get.

My idea is totally fair for EVERYONE.

Anyone who prefers the current setup and who thinks my idea is unfair can have the invaders in THEIR territory.

BTW, I'd happily help retake keeps and take keeps in Odins and Emain, but nobody picks my 50 merc

Venster (old Lyrra/Uma/Venerable)

 

[Phule_Gubben]

I agree with Dimse, it's time to move IRvR to some other zone then ours.

And you can't expect either hibs nor mids to stay away from the relics. It's gets to a point where the lack of interest to getting praawned all day long by zergs from an opposing realm, stops and ppl just log off. Then in order to try to wake us up again they go for Beno/Bold which are the key to our relics. So the simple solution to end this is to take the keeps back before it's to late.

 

[swifteagle]

The problem as I see it atm is that alb has no leaders anymore and very few times a BG is setup quickly with everyone knowing who is in charge and getting a defence up quickly.

In the old days everyone used to suicide and run to a relic defence even if on the dragon or whatever,with NF everyone has become lazy and thinks if they take 30 minutes getting to a defence it'll be ok.

With both enemy realms already having an insta port if they both decide to go for relics at the same time <not suggesting hibgard exists > there is no way we would get enough people to defend the relics in time.

Alb has always been the poor man when it comes to defence,the same few people running out to a keep or tower defence and getting owned and giving up after a year or more of the same thing.

In OF albs used to take a mid keep with maybe 2-3fgs and within 15 minutes you'd have 120 mids outside knocking on the door ,albs have never been like this not sure why but its always been slow to respond and never in large numbers.
Could be everyone thought "oh we have the numbers someone else will deal with it" or something else but anyway I'm rambling on

If you want irvr thats fine but at least try and limit it to one realm at a time as trying to fight off both zergs even without a relic retake is risky at best and is just asking for a double relic raid at worst.

just my view on the situation

 

[Elkie]

insta rvr is very nice in emain tbh but can be cool in hw

 

[swifteagle]

Rambling on

The other problem I've thought about and is this ,Albion as a realm doesnt seem to exist anymore.

I remember seeing all albs as realm mates and we all seemed to have a community that at least pulled in the same direction.
Any alb I saw in trouble I wouldnt hesitate to help out even if it meant i would be killed along with them.
Now you have people scamming realm mates large scale,others yelling insults if they "add" in an rvr zone,being called a "roleplayer" if you even consider defending a tower or keep.

Basically we have small groups within alb who seem to spit venom at the other sort of group if they don't agree with their view of things and this means the alb realm no longer pulls together unless they have something to gain from it ,like an uber drop that will give them an extra 2% matter resist in their template or whatever.

Maybe i'm just old fashioned but i still try and help out albs in trouble,offer advice if asked and generally be a good guy for "the realm" call me a roleplayer, a noob or whatever but I'm not changing to fit into the new albion where another alb is just someone competing for my realm points or someone to scam for my own profit.

Ok not often i post here and you can probably see why so i'll leave FH in peace again for another year

 

[necromania]

our problem is that each time we take berks/eras back in the evening. mids/hibs ALLWAYS retake those keeps in the early morning with 2FG. where albs aint on to defend.

sad thing is that mids does it with the SAME 2 FG each time afaik

 

[Zagg]

Whatever "Albs" do or don't do, wether "Albion" exists or not and who spits venom at whom: It's very easy to retake a tower and then maybe the closeby keep, if you just prepare for it and keep working on it.

All you need is a fg (optimal would be 2 clerics, 2 tanks, 4 casters). Before you go at it, you have to equip your group with 6 diminutive rams and 6 diminuative trebuchets - don't ever go on a siege without it!!!

Then you put up a battlegroup and go for the designated tower. Mezz and root the guards until the ram is up and the door is at 75%. Then kill the guards, kill incomming, kill door, kill captain... and do it as fast as possible!

You might get steamrolled and the tower might be retaken very quickly, but you have to return and keep returning, maybe attacking differnet towers, causing diversions in the enemies home realm - but every time you put something on fire, more and more Albs will join into the "fun" - tell them you have a battlegroup up and maybe you gather enough to have chance at the keep. If not, you can still farm RP by defending towers.

It's realy that easy.

 

[Lyrra]

sad thing is that mids does it with the SAME 2 FG each time afaik

2fg of lamers

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

What Zags said .

 

[Void959]

Many mids whine like hell when albs take their keeps overnight, yet the last few times albs have had iRvR in mid, it's mostly been overnight that mids take them back. Nothing we can do about that as a realm...

 

[Illudian]

I think motivation is the main cause. As said, we retake the keeps with lots of effort and mids go and take them back during the night, leaving all our efforts in vain. You just get too little back for all your efforts at the moment.

 

[Talim]

Yep

IRvR almost permently in Albion is killing the game.

Relic Raids never take place ,its simply bridge camping, underwater shroom farms, zerging anyone using seige weapons, and every other lame activity it is possible to invent.

When 1.82 was launched there were 1700+ on the cluster in the evening now its 1200+ or less.

Many players who were previously DAOC addicts hardly ever play now, and when they do, they usually log within 20 minutes due to the futility of it all.

The fat lady is on the stage for DAOC imo .

 

[Andrilyn]

The fat lady is on the stage for DAOC imo .

Wouldn't call Dimse fat but...

 

[ceator]

If ppl are that concerned about iRVR and that state of the albs (like me) why oh why don't we set up a Realm relic take or something major like that?

 

[Thadius]

Lately the albion rvr attitude has been one of "We wont get help if we try to reclaim our keeps/towers from enemy hands" and the reason given for this lack of help is a wish to have a easely accessable rvr area. For those people who have trouble navigating through enemy country and who like to have a safe place to port to may I suggest that you place those in the ENEMIES frontier? Make once again so that Albs help Albs instead of Albs helping the enemy.

Isnt this why they introduced Agramon?

 

[Dwali]

i have been woundering this past weekend....why albs only goes for surs...since hibs has it...havent seen any berk twr on fire...are u afraid of facing mids or do u just hate having hibs up your neck


maybe its time to change albion to albgard or midbion

why not try gather ppl and go take a keep in enemie realm then

 

[Gazon]

If taking/holding/defending strategic objectives would be rewarded with RP instead of doing kills, this would be a much more interesting game imo.

 

[Eeben]

why dont the ppl that whine about it try an do something about it? guessing whining is alot easyer then makeing an alliance event or something to take back the towers or like zags said make an opted grp...

 

[Phule_Gubben]

There's a few people that spends a lot of time trying to retake what rightfully belongs to us, most often they ask for help but there's no help coming. Saying it's easy with an opted fg isn't really the problem here is it? Of course an opted grp can take down a tower fast but that's not the point. WE, all who are in the realm called Albion need to work together, cheer our comrades on and so on.

Together we are strong, alone we will perish.

My biggest concern is, as a few mentioned, leadership. There's no one that people will listen to, no one that people respect and will follow. It's really hard to get a reputation as a good raidleader when it comes to realmdefense/offense. Those who try have my respect.

I'd like to see something like a chain of commands where we know who to contact if there's something that needs to be done in our frontier. Like ie. We have a tower claimed and guardreports saying there's 24 enemies on our tower. I call out over /as "24 enemies attacking <insert tower here> need backup. After that it would be great to know what guilds/alliances to contact to spread the word. It can't be that hard to set something like this up. I really hope that we can work something out in a near future.

//Festing GM of <In Sect>

 

[swifteagle]

i have been woundering this past weekend....why albs only goes for surs...since hibs has it...havent seen any berk twr on fire...are u afraid of facing mids or do u just hate having hibs up your neck


maybe its time to change albion to albgard or midbion

why not try gather ppl and go take a keep in enemie realm then

The reason hibs were target No1 to get out of our realm is simple, they werent content to have just irvr they were constantly also trying to take bold and eras as well.

Every day during the day they'd put up trebs on the bridge at bold and knock a hole in it and go for it and it just became annoying and dangerous for alb nothing sinister just common sense to kick them out really.

 

[necromania]

maybe we should consider having 2-3 BIG alliances. instead of 1-2 and 100 small ??

 

[swifteagle]

maybe we should consider having 2-3 BIG alliances. instead of 1-2 and 100 small ??

A good idea but can't see it working tbh, the same as guilds, alliances have different aims and reasons to exist.
Some want an alliance for people to ask for help on PvE raids,some to do large scale rvr and relic raids,others just for a larger group of friends and some so they can be leet.

Most alliances are a combination of the above but all want to remain independent so they can pursue their own goals and have their own rules.
Having people know who to contact in other alliances is the only way this will work i think as Phule mentioned above.