Swedish nuclear reactors "unsafe"

[Lamp]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5241780.stm

The two reactors in Oskarshamn - about 250km (150 miles) south of Stockholm - were shut down after the operator said their safety could not be guaranteed.

 

[eggy]

Nothing new there.

Nuclear is not the answer!

 

[Commandment]

man that would send the shits up me if i lived any where near them.

 

[Lamp]

man that would send the shits up me if i lived any where near them.

Radiation doesn't need a boat or plane. Atmospheric winds carry ionising radiation around the entire globe. No one's safe.

 

[tris-]

man that would send the shits up me if i lived any where near them.

lol i wonder if you actually read the article. there is no danger posed to anyone.

although id like to pick up on not guaranteeing the safety. that doesnt actually mean they are unsafe ofc.

 

[Vladamir]

Nothing new there.

Nuclear is not the answer!

Where do you suggest we get the energy for ~6 billion people then once fossial fuels are used?.

 

[Lamp]

lol i wonder if you actually read the article. there is no danger posed to anyone.

although id like to pick up on not guaranteeing the safety. that doesnt actually mean they are unsafe ofc.

Governments have been known to tell lies.
From time to time

 

[Rellik]

nuclear is the answer aslong as we don't have any other options that could work RIGHT NOW insted of nuclear power, but in time maybe..


But right now nuclear power is the answer even though it is unsafe

 

[leviathane]

Where do you suggest we get the energy for ~6 billion people then once fossial fuels are used?.

fart power tbh.

 

[Darzil]

Where do you suggest we get the energy for ~6 billion people then once fossial fuels are used?.

From somewhere that isn't currently being consumed faster than it's being mined, and has less known deposits in the ground than coal. (Uranium)

Darzil

 

[leviathane]

could always have nuclear pow stations under the sea xD so if they blow they only send a tidal wave round the world

 

[tris-]

people moan we are running out of fule, people moan when we try alternatives. same old same old

fact is everyone currently alive has no need to care about fossil fuels. they are going to last for the next 100 years at least.

 

[Lamp]

Why don't we burn every convicted paedophile, rapist, murderer, and traffic warden for an alternative fuel source...

 

[eggy]

Where do you suggest we get the energy for ~6 billion people then once fossial fuels are used?.

It's not quite that simple.

The world currently produces around 75 million barrels of oil per day - global oil production will peak in around 2020 at around 90 million. By 2050 you're still looking at around 40 million barrels per day being produced.

Gas production on the other hand is in its infancy and will continue to rise to peak somewhere around 2040.

There is an awful lot of oil & gas reserves around; it's just getting to it that's the problem...but deepwater frontiers are getting more readily accessible and new reserves are being tapped all the time.

Renewables is a huge market too; for example, marine renewable energy capacity will increase more than ten times over the current figure by 2009. Renewables again isn't an answer, it's just another source (which has taken far too long to take off).

End of the day, if countries like China continue to use the amount of energy they do due to population growth...well, we're pretty fucked

 

[tris-]

more feesable way maybe to somehow extract the high percentage of water that human beings are made of, more painful too i reckon

 

[Naetha]

I have reasonably high confidence in nuclear power - when Chernobyl happened, more than 5000 deaths were predicted as being directly attributable to the event. Since then (20 years ago now) there have been 57 attributable deaths.

Low dose nuclear exposure isn't as bad as people make out (and this has been proved by scientific research as the well respected Horizon programme showed recently).

What people say about Uranium not being present in great enough quantities, I disagree with, as you need much less uranium than coal to produce electricity. Also Uranium isn't the only fuel, Thorium is being developed as a fuel for nuclear reactors as well.

Nuclear waste is an issue, but once people get over the NIMBYism and sensationalism and work things out by the actual risk rather than the perception of risk, then this should be solved relatively easily, although it will take time.

Maybe its because I work in the environmental sector and my company is heavily involved with both nuclear power production and nuclear waste disposal (from a planning and strategic point of view) that I have a much more scientific and reasonable opinion on things nuclear.

Incidentally, it is thought that the mining of coal and granite increases the nuclear radiation more so than the operation of a nuclear power station and its associated waste, by releasing radon and other natural radioactive gases into the environment.

I do believe that renewables are the way forwards, but these will take a while to develop, and aren't always efficient (metal fatigue in wind turbines, constant maintenance needed for photovoltaic cells, lack of wind etc), so until we have a reasonable and reliable system of renewable energy sources, nuclear will have to be our backup.

 

[Tasslehoff]

To add to Naetha's post, the reactors are much safer than back when the Chernobyl-thing happened.
Now they can withstand a plane hitting them from the outside (aswell as the inside) and the technology has evolved in the last 25 years so chances of something like that happening again are veeeery slim.
Actually, just look at how computers have evolved in the last 15 years, the reactors might not have evolved THAT much, but still just a tenth of the evoloution would be enough to make them a hell of a lot safer and better =)

 

[tris-]

i remember seeing a test video where they flew a jet plane into a 'sample' of the wall used on the reactors. the plane basically vapourised on impact.

then i seen a greenpeace video with CGI. where a passenger plane managed to go through the wall, somehow.

so with dicks like them spreading false info, im not suprised people are cautious about nuclear power

 

[lilmissnaughty]

more feesable way maybe to somehow extract the high percentage of water that human beings are made of, more painful too i reckon

heh u been watching tankgirl?

 

[lilmissnaughty]

Why don't we burn every convicted paedophile, rapist, murderer, and traffic warden for an alternative fuel source...

lol i dont remember telling u my plans for when im fascist dictator of the whole world

 

[leviathane]

china is using up copper faster than it's being mines, thts why 1p/2p coins are actually worth more than the'r current value

 

[Lamp]

1.21 gigawatts !

 

[tris-]

china is using up copper faster than it's being mines, thts why 1p/2p coins are actually worth more than the'r current value

any source for this? afaik copper coins arnt 100% copper, just plated in it.

 

[DocWolfe]

any source for this? afaik copper coins arnt 100% copper, just plated in it.

aye thats right tris-

1p Composition

Bronze 97% copper, 2.5% zinc, 0.5% tin (until September 1992)
Copper-plated steel (since September 1992)

2p Composition

Bronze 97% copper, 2.5% zinc, 0.5% tin (until September 1992)
Copper-plated steel (since September 1992 except in
1998 when the 2p was made in both alloys)

Even then I doubt it was 99.9% refined copper- the sort you need to make electronic devices out of.

 

[eggy]

Aye, copper has increased dramatically over the last 5 years:

 

[fettoken]

could always have nuclear pow stations under the sea xD so if they blow they only send a tidal wave round the world

Great idéa !!! Could start to mass produce them underwater

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

Great idéa !!! Could start to mass produce them underwater

Would love to try getting to work, working at an underwater nuclear power plant :<

 

[Bahumat]

I heard GOA are buying up all the Nuclear Reactors so they can run everything...im a little bit worries though

 

[Amildin]

Would love to try getting to work, working at an underwater nuclear power plant :<

Commuting is a bitch

 

[Chosen]

I heard GOA are buying up all the Nuclear Reactors so they can run everything...im a little bit worries though

Yeah, everytime one blows up. They blame Mythic!

Mythic the worlds largest terrorist group!